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Post by brancius on Sept 22, 2006 2:44:30 GMT -5
since the rules wasn’t clarified for all the players Problems I see with this tournament include: - The tournament rules are not clear.
I would post threads in the epics and non-ladder sanctioned events sections detailing absoultely every game setting and tournament rule. See? I told you to clearly define the rules before you began but does anyone listen to me? Noooooo! Yes, you were right, I defenetly accept that You are a good man, I feel understood:) How would you deal best with "always war" on FFA Basis? I mean, the rules you have for CTON "always war" are good, but also them you can easily break with Instant Messenger, Skype, Phone, etc... here I am a little unsure, maybe you can give me a tip...
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Post by Bantams on Sept 22, 2006 7:40:50 GMT -5
it might be better to do ctons rather than teamers for such an event as in teamers lots of team players always chat to each other and in ctons they dont
perhaps you should try a large cton next time with 1 player from each country allowed in each game that way should have Less problems with cheating
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Post by Canucksoldier on Sept 22, 2006 7:58:06 GMT -5
See? I told you to clearly define the rules before you began but does anyone listen to me? Noooooo! Yes, you were right, I defenetly accept that You are a good man, I feel understood:) How would you deal best with "always war" on FFA Basis? I mean, the rules you have for CTON "always war" are good, but also them you can easily break with Instant Messenger, Skype, Phone, etc... here I am a little unsure, maybe you can give me a tip... Yes instant messaging is hard to prove, but we still enforce the cton rules, basically if a player can send me a series of saves/screenshots that show that 2 or more player are attacking one player while ignoring each other(leaving border cities emty etc) then I will attack to punish those players. I does take a fair bit of evidence to prove this as it is possible to get attacked by two players just because one player is just taking advantage of you being weak from being attacked. But things like empty cities or a player letting an other player bring a stack of units threw his land without being attacked to attack another player are give aways that they are cheating. CS
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Post by brancius on Sept 22, 2006 9:24:03 GMT -5
Yes, you were right, I defenetly accept that You are a good man, I feel understood:) How would you deal best with "always war" on FFA Basis? I mean, the rules you have for CTON "always war" are good, but also them you can easily break with Instant Messenger, Skype, Phone, etc... here I am a little unsure, maybe you can give me a tip... Yes instant messaging is hard to prove, but we still enforce the cton rules, basically if a player can send me a series of saves/screenshots that show that 2 or more player are attacking one player while ignoring each other(leaving border cities emty etc) then I will attack to punish those players. I does take a fair bit of evidence to prove this as it is possible to get attacked by two players just because one player is just taking advantage of you being weak from being attacked. But things like empty cities or a player letting an other player bring a stack of units threw his land without being attacked to attack another player are give aways that they are cheating. CS Ok, cool, thank you very much CS. We are going to act exactly like this. We are going to found an "international Council" for this CCL. We will have from every country one person. If there are problems, we will look at the savegames together and decide how to penalize the cheater(s). Possible is also that we will have a council which is not eveb one of this countries, to be really objective, we'll see. For us its just important to have this FFA Games, because 1on1 we had in last CCL and many players were not pleased playing this simple duels, we knew it will be hard to go through a tournament based on FFA games with rules and cheating topics, but I guess we are on a good way now to prevent troubles around cheating. Can I send you the definitive roster of CCL2 per E-Mail so you could post it here in original size, a few people here are interested in this how it looks Thanks again CS, cu
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Post by ldeska on Sept 22, 2006 9:35:40 GMT -5
Ellestar - you're so pathetic... could you please stop lying in a public forum about our players? As I wrote on civfanatics.ru - EOT, you're too stupid to read and understand what I write to you, so I see no point in constant proving you of anything. I'm only very interested why are you so excited about this tournament - you're not participating in it!
EOT
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Post by deviousdevil on Sept 22, 2006 11:07:45 GMT -5
oh come on DD, you been crying about this for almost 3 days, its not the end of the world! How do touney wins or even reports for that matter effect your daily life? If the slipper was on the other foot Tony... Given that in certain period MP civ4 is part of my daily life for a few hours, then YES it affects me alot. It was the disrespect. No apology, no response as to what if anything was done. Hey, I only got a response once I did this message...e-mail brought nothing and once again the admins rule in a way that is to my detriment. If they had said, sorry we screwed you dude and we'll make sure it can't happen again then fine. But no, nadda, it'll probably happen again. I should get a free year of gold membership as compensation for the anguish and the mental torment. I mean I now got a loss against Willtheconqueror on my profile when I beat him. How balls is that? As for fixing it. Setup a tourney on the tourney software with me and make some fake members in it so I get a tourney win and the 3 wins I should have. I'll still have that nasty willtheconqueror loss, but that is cos I'm such a generous and amicable person. Not one to just try and ignore it and hope it goes away. On the current thread...is it worse to have players breaking the spirit of the rules or the organisers letting the wrong person win and not be too fussed to fix the error?
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Post by Lestat on Sept 22, 2006 11:33:06 GMT -5
I said sory in our private chat and admins dont have nothing with that problem excpet they will be fixing ladder statistic (los/win) between u and Willy.
DD u are moral winner, chill out bud.
PS Can i bribe u with 500 ladder buxes ?
..A..DeviousDevil LadderBux Log (Player I.D. is 666) PLEASE NOTE: LadderBux logs had to be recreated during the server move. Please excuse any inconveniences this may have caused.
Bux Now: 970 Bux Lifetime: 980
Date Tourney I.D. Bux Before Action Bux After Membership 07/23/06 19:11:39 939213 622 Entry Fee: 10 612 Gold 07/23/06 19:11:48 939213 612 2nd Place Bux Won: 74 686 Gold 09/16/06 23:11:48 939213 686 1th Place Bux Won: 500 1186 Gold
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Post by ironclad on Sept 22, 2006 12:40:57 GMT -5
anyone wanna buy my ladderbuxes off me i have alot of em ?
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Post by Speaker on Sept 22, 2006 12:43:04 GMT -5
DD, I told you I would fix your statistics, and I will. I have been trying to touch base with you, Lestat, or Levi for the past week, to confirm a few details before I edit statistics, but haven't been able to find any of you in the lobby or C4F. As soon as I catch up with one of you, I will fix it as best as I can.
I don't know why you are complaining about "disrespect." I spoke with you the night it happened and told you that I would take care of it. The TD messed up. You want an apology because he screwed up? I'll apologize for him. I am sorry for the anguish, both mental and physical that you were forced to endure, while missing 3 reports and a tournament victory.
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Post by Ellestar on Sept 22, 2006 13:17:37 GMT -5
Ellestar - you're so pathetic... could you please stop lying in a public forum about our players? As I wrote on civfanatics.ru - EOT, you're too stupid to read and understand what I write to you, so I see no point in constant proving you of anything. I'm only very interested why are you so excited about this tournament - you're not participating in it! EOT ROFLMAO Another one who thinks that personal attacks will help to hide the truth i'm saying You said that according to our ladder rules, alliances are allowed in Always War FFA games. I showed you our rules and it's obvious from them that alliances aren't allowed. Also, see comments of our Vice-admin about that subject - he thinks that you're wrong as well. Now tell me again please that it's a lie. I will be really interested to listen to your arguments why it's a lie.
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Post by Ellestar on Sept 22, 2006 13:26:16 GMT -5
To call me a liar is exactly showing your personality…more I do not have to say to this and here the proove for the truth: This Friday is the rematch, I guess I know it better since I am the organizer of this tournament…we decided all together, the russian admin the polish admin and me to rematch one game…since the rules wasn’t clarified for all the players, we chose a “salomonic decision”. There were initially 3 games, 2 polish and one Russian were qualified, the rest of polish and Russian players goes to the rematch this friday… Only one game. Others will not be replayed. So, you can't counter with that my arguments that cheaters passed in the next round. But you did it. So, i count it as a lie. When you try to counter my arguments with anything that partially hides the truth, with any false or incomplete information, i count it as a deliberate lie because result is effectively the same as from lying. If you don't like the way i'm naming it, well, i don't care. I don't change my principles on a case by case basis just because someone doesn't like what i'm saying.
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Post by knupp on Sept 22, 2006 14:16:35 GMT -5
I have an idea. How about ellestar and ccl players just agree to disagree about all aspects of this tourney.
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Post by Bantams on Sept 22, 2006 16:41:01 GMT -5
I have an idea. How about ellestar and ccl players just agree to disagree about all aspects of this tourney. they did that already everywhere I believe very Bad advert for MP CIV i think
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Post by scoticus on Sept 22, 2006 16:58:48 GMT -5
anyone wanna buy my ladderbuxes off me i have alot of em ? I'll trade you ladderbux for Subway stamps. ;D
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Post by deviousdevil on Sept 22, 2006 19:33:34 GMT -5
DD, I told you I would fix your statistics, and I will. I have been trying to touch base with you, Lestat, or Levi for the past week, to confirm a few details before I edit statistics, but haven't been able to find any of you in the lobby or C4F. As soon as I catch up with one of you, I will fix it as best as I can. I don't know why you are complaining about "disrespect." I spoke with you the night it happened and told you that I would take care of it. The TD messed up. You want an apology because he screwed up? I'll apologize for him. I am sorry for the anguish, both mental and physical that you were forced to endure, while missing 3 reports and a tournament victory. Speaker, I was happy on the night that you were dealing. But time had passed and nothing had happened. As for touching base, being in the timezones we are relative to each other it is incredible that we touch base as often as we do so via C4f or in the lobby.
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Post by brancius on Sept 22, 2006 20:10:24 GMT -5
To call me a liar is exactly showing your personality…more I do not have to say to this and here the proove for the truth: This Friday is the rematch, I guess I know it better since I am the organizer of this tournament…we decided all together, the russian admin the polish admin and me to rematch one game…since the rules wasn’t clarified for all the players, we chose a “salomonic decision”. There were initially 3 games, 2 polish and one Russian were qualified, the rest of polish and Russian players goes to the rematch this friday… Only one game. Others will not be replayed. So, you can't counter with that my arguments that cheaters passed in the next round. But you did it. So, i count it as a lie. When you try to counter my arguments with anything that partially hides the truth, with any false or incomplete information, i count it as a deliberate lie because result is effectively the same as from lying. If you don't like the way i'm naming it, well, i don't care. I don't change my principles on a case by case basis just because someone doesn't like what i'm saying. Ellestar: there are 2 rematches One was tonight, the other is Monday... Man, I told you at civfanatics already lets bury this personal differences between us...it's 2 rematches and no one lied...Ellestar use your powers for something else, it's not needed here. P.S. Please post here tomorrow when you know it's 2 rematches that I told the truth all the time and all this blackmail from you was for nothing
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Post by brancius on Sept 22, 2006 20:11:58 GMT -5
ups, 2 times posted...
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Post by Speaker on Sept 23, 2006 15:26:02 GMT -5
All "fixed." DeviousDevil. BattleRavage switched his name to Jetfire, so I reported a win for you over him. Now that you have your tournament victory, I hope you can sleep better?
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Post by Bantams on Sept 23, 2006 15:32:17 GMT -5
All "fixed." DeviousDevil. BattleRavage switched his name to Jetfire, so I reported a win for you over him. Now that you have your tournament victory, I hope you can sleep better? I doubt it he still moans all the time teachers hey they always moaning ;D
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Post by deviousdevil on Sept 23, 2006 18:40:34 GMT -5
All "fixed." DeviousDevil. BattleRavage switched his name to Jetfire, so I reported a win for you over him. Now that you have your tournament victory, I hope you can sleep better? Thank you, I have a big smile on my face now.
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