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Post by tommynt on Sept 18, 2006 15:56:56 GMT -5
show me the guy playing better in ren or medi teamer then me knupp - just cause i dont play 3 stupid ren inland sea per day that doesnt mean i suck at it (-i killed 1 of these stupid addicts of this setting in 12 turns in 1-1) - last fut i played with ebd and es (2 of best fut players i know and who won ccc fut) - i was leading graphs on hub map
- still i d not call myself best player of civ as u r right somehow - but u should not judge people without knowing em
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Post by knupp on Sept 18, 2006 16:11:07 GMT -5
Hehe tommy. You've always been the one judging me since day 1 when I first joined until now and we rarely play together. And IMO, Speaker, Metallian, and Mookie are the best ren players on the ladder. And I do know about that 1v1 and there was a good reason you won that..I'll leave to to him to explain though. ;D Still, 1v1 ren and ren teamers not the same thing. And Medi, ren, and future were just things that came to my mind. I never said you weren't the best or that you sucked at them. I'm just saying it's impossible for 1 person (being specific) to be the best in every game setting in a game like civ. BTW tommy, I've been meaning to ask you some questions about ancient era. Talk to me in lobby sometime.
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Post by Ellestar on Sept 19, 2006 1:29:27 GMT -5
- last fut i played with ebd and es (2 of best fut players i know and who won ccc fut) - i was leading graphs on hub map Nah. Graphs were about equal. Also, you forgot to mention Sir_Tobey. Also, everybodysdarling and me were busy making wonders. Also, ebd was on front. That slows growth.
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Post by tommynt on Sept 19, 2006 2:00:37 GMT -5
ya es - still i m suposed to be fut noob and could do at least same good as u guys.
and knupp dont make me start about ren players - but in last game with mookie he lost his cap in turn 10 or so Mettalian and speaker are good average players but surly in no setting the best ones. U play with em and see em doing good - but how often do they win against a team of good players? did they win ccc? (i dont know, maybe they did)
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Post by Necrominousss on Sept 19, 2006 2:04:24 GMT -5
Michael Jordan, one of the best? Possible the best? I couldn't say with any certainty.
Tommynt, one of the best? Possibly the best? Could say for sure either. Pretty f :oking good I gather that.
One thing I do know is Michael Jordan, at least publicly, that I know of, never championed the cause of himself being the all-time best.(He did talk about himself in the third person at the end of his career though.)
There is something undignified about it. If someone is the best, they don't have to sell themselves. The best of the best will become a legends without praising their own merits. Legends have loyal followers who do the boasting for them.
Players with great skill and modesty will get described by all kinds of fantastic adjectives. Players with great skill that try to write there own history may become known as annoying at best, and an :osshole or possible a douche bag at worst.
Ol' Necro must be getting up there in years. Necrominous becoming preachy to the youngsters lately.
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Post by knupp on Sept 19, 2006 6:16:30 GMT -5
Well against a team of good players they do great. They won CCC. Every game in under an hour. Was some serious pwnage. And I don't think you play enough ren games to judge everyone's skills in them. 1 mistake in 1 game doesn't make somebody a bad player.
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Post by everybodysdarling on Sept 19, 2006 7:02:21 GMT -5
Its funny that some people make mistakes especially then, when they are on front vs tommy. What a mistery coincedence, dont you think? ;D
1 mistake in 1 game doesnt make a bad player. But only 1 mistake in more than 10 games makes some1 a great player.
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Post by Speaker on Sept 19, 2006 7:18:41 GMT -5
I can't remember the last time I played a Ren teamer against or with Tommy. Kind of hard for him to judge the ability of the best Ren players. Maybe he should ask around. I think Metallian rolled him in a 3v3 game recently. Medieval maybe? I'm not sure what game he is referring to when Mookie lost his capital. I don't remember Mookie losing a city to any player not named Speaker in many months.
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Post by Bantams on Sept 19, 2006 8:34:41 GMT -5
Well against a team of good players they do great. They won CCC. Every game in under an hour. Was some serious pwnage. And I don't think you play enough ren games to judge everyone's skills in them. 1 mistake in 1 game doesn't make somebody a bad player. that was just pure luck due to KC being a little short on players last CCC
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Post by Tony on Sept 19, 2006 8:40:39 GMT -5
As i said its always going to be a matter of opinion so arguing about it kinda piontless.
If you guys really want to decide best ren player there is such a easy solution, tommy versus speaker in 1v1 ren game ... problem solved...no? Maybe not completely the same thing but it kinda replicates the front line, and being front line is obviously the hardest job!
Ill even make you guys a map if you want!
Why such long discussions when it can be solved so easily?
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Post by Speaker on Sept 19, 2006 10:12:35 GMT -5
I feel no need to prove my Ren superiority. I am (on) the reigning CCC champion (team). Tommy can prove himself in the next CCC...if he can.
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Post by churchill1 on Sept 19, 2006 16:10:24 GMT -5
I feel no need to prove my Ren superiority. I am (on) the reigning CCC champion (team). Tommy can prove himself in the next CCC...if he can. I'm not sure why tommy is so keen to prove his superiority at ren, or everyone else is so keen to prove his lack of it. At the game in general tommy is an awesome player. If some people are better than him at a particular type of game that they play very regularly, so what? I would suggest the RaY boyz are better, but it's really not a big deal. I think this proves they are better at certain aspects of CIV. But when it comes to build up and cton and may be 1v1 skillz it could be a different story. Heh, this thread is getting pretty ridiculous imho. But for downright crazy posts, Bantams (as ever) takes the biscuit. . NJ Bantams. The forums really wouldn't be the same without you.
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Post by deyreepher on Sept 19, 2006 18:27:18 GMT -5
Don't you know, it's a cultural thing. The losers of a war generally feel shame for a generation or two after a war, especially with the barbarous acts committed during the one that I have in mind. However, by the time their grandchildren come about, they feel that they can easily forget the past and will ballyhoo about as if nothing had happened. I agree they are not responsible for the actions of their fathers, but this is generally the type of attitude you get when facing this cultural identity crisis. The Japanese....they just flat out deny everything to this day. God help us all, when they are released from the restrictions on Article 9 in their constitution.
At least the Germans were our cooks in Afghanistan....God forbid we let them roam about with guns.
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Post by churchill1 on Sept 19, 2006 18:41:47 GMT -5
Gah.
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Post by Tony on Sept 19, 2006 18:47:09 GMT -5
LOL, how did ren era talk get side tracked to the world wars?
The post makes no sense, how are the 2 even remotely related?
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Post by Necrominousss on Sept 19, 2006 21:14:31 GMT -5
That's hitting below the belt. I'm taking 2 points from the deyreepher.
Now, go back to your corners and lets have a clean fight when you come out.
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Post by Necrominousss on Sept 19, 2006 21:28:48 GMT -5
As i said its always going to be a matter of opinion so arguing about it kinda piontless. If you guys really want to decide best ren player there is such a easy solution, tommy versus speaker in 1v1 ren game ... problem solved...no? Maybe not completely the same thing but it kinda replicates the front line, and being front line is obviously the hardest job! Ill even make you guys a map if you want! Why such long discussions when it can be solved so easily? It might take awhile but a race to seven 1v1 ren mirror map would almost assuredly decide the best player. I got 500 ladder bucks(legal tender at any myleague site)on tommy. Anytime someone says they don't need to prove themselves, that means they don't want to take the gamble of loosing for all to see and the proof being definitive.
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Post by deyreepher on Sept 19, 2006 22:24:37 GMT -5
It's a simple observation, not even one that I came up with. You may find an editorial piece on this topic every now and then in papers. If you want, I can find it for you. Otherwise, game-motha-fu ckin on. Take my cool points as well.
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Post by tommynt on Sept 20, 2006 1:17:46 GMT -5
I think mettalian celebrating for 3 days just cause he was once able to kill me in a 3 vs 1 situation and him being gandhi says all.
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Post by weaksauce on Sept 20, 2006 1:53:52 GMT -5
I'm probably gonna pick up a copy of Warlords and see how it is. But if every game this ladder plays is Ren-Inland Sea like it was before... I will be done with it in less than 2 weeks prolly.
Everyone used to play ren inland sea over and over, same civs over and over... just lame. If they can win in ren inland sea vs. Tommy and then beat Tommy in 1on1 mirror ancient, then they must be good.
Otherwise, ... you have to wonder if they've only mastered a small niche of the game that everyone just plays repeatedly cuz it's a fun team game for some.
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