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Post by tommynt on Apr 17, 2006 13:17:48 GMT -5
no hitting of firaxis - just facts for the moment:
new game 1ß player teamer - i join as 10 th - bad peer to some1 i had never probelms with - after some discussions he leaves - i get in - now i m bad peer - after reboot he gets in - another player drops and got bad peer to some1 after - reboot - after lot of joining and leaving from some guys we finaly got 10 and and start playing - i somehow dont get into game - game is totally lagy some prcess (think firewall) is running high - i leave game shows 10/10 - other players seem to have same problem and come to lobby - some dont get into lobby cause of this freaky "u r allready in lobby" bug.
I get reload up - rejooining of players takes hours - lot of bad peers - some reboot - porblem seem to be many players joining at same time - after I was last player joining more then 1 hour is gone - i havent played a single move. 6 out of 10 are in game. people are stuck on players which whom they had never had problems before.
Oh well i think i might add that we 10 guys are only well known players who dont have screwed routers or things like that - we played lot of games before togehter which much less problems ( only the known ones maybe as host drop in turn 1)
thats just 1 game - in my last i suddenly dropped - connection to host was gone - no way to rejoin game. Lot of weired messages appear often when probelms arris but sometimes it just dont work.
Is civ4 really a MP game as stated on package?
oh wait story goes on - after we finaly get reload up the previous host isen in but shown as ai and another player droped right away - we got wait screen .. some1 thinks rehost = host crash - hm oh well we scrap - some guys really wana try again - this just took 1,5 hours .. should i try aswell?
edit: story goes on ... yeah i m a freak .. we got teams allready .. I try again .. hey all back in room lets pick civs and click in .. ooopsss i m in lobby?? ... host just dropped into lobby he got no clue why. .. ok again same pw .. oh 2 are missing .. peer problems .. wtf now but not before? .. ok all in .. another map much worse .. damn timer dont start .. arghhh .. 2 dropped .. ok i wait 5 min then i m done .. hm 10 min gone still 1 missing .. i go play bfme ... hey these bfme guys are dudes but starting a game takes 5 seconds ... BUZZ .. tommy come back all others are in ... hey so what .. ok i m back ... hey timer starts running i can move my worker ... hm after 5 minutes there are still 45 seconds left on timer - 1 sec in game takes 10 in game .. hm, some think it s the government changes .. hm now it s stuck at 31 sec ... ok thats it ... i play4 bfme games in 1 hour and had at least some fun before going to bed.
pls remember that every ... is about 5 min or more
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Post by civerdan on Apr 17, 2006 13:59:54 GMT -5
I too have noticed multiple new bugs. reloading a game takes forever because of getting stuck on peers when multiple people try to connect at the same time. Seems to be a bug relating to re-entering the lobby as well, as tommy mentioned above.
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Post by whiplash on Apr 17, 2006 14:38:11 GMT -5
Why was all that effort expended on new game features that no one asked for yet basic connectivity is still bugged? Features don't matter if people can't connect.
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Post by MMV on Apr 17, 2006 15:51:27 GMT -5
why don't you try playing a game and find out?
games with +10 people have 10 times as many problems.
routers, weak-comps below C4 specs, less than adequate and unstable connections, firewalls, etc ALL compound a huge multi-player game
Never saw too many 10 person games in C3 or PTW for the same reasons - and the same problems.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Apr 17, 2006 16:28:46 GMT -5
I actually believe the connection problems are better, but more people with problems or lower end computers are playing now. There is a problem of some sort with the change in code that removed retiring as a option when players die. I'm seeing more game "splits" than before, and I've brought that issue to the dev's. But being peer to peer game with every person you add to a game you increase the chances of a person will cause problems, or just increase the work the GS NAT system has to do and it doesn't always respond well either. There's been about 20% more matches reported since the patch, it could be the long weekend or a combination of more people being able to play, I'll have better stats in a couple weeks.
CS
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Post by Canucksoldier on Apr 17, 2006 16:35:06 GMT -5
Why was all that effort expended on new game features that no one asked for yet basic connectivity is still bugged? Features don't matter if people can't connect. Quite the contrary Whip, Firaxis was responding to requests from the community. The 20% unit increase was a mistake from the last patch that was fixed, people here then complained about that. Chopping was long discussed as a problem and Firaxis discussed serveral solutions inhouse and came up with this one. All the other things on the list are fixes or improvements that various parts of the community wanted, remember we here are just one part of that community, and more people play SP than MP still. Firaxis did try and improve connectivity, I am seeing less problems entering Staging rooms, and if there is a problem with in games drops then I'm sure they will look at a solution. It's really impossible to test MP fixes in a real world environment without actually releasing then as a beta before hand, and then some people would complain there were being used as free testers CS
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Post by Tony on Apr 17, 2006 16:41:32 GMT -5
Something very strange happen in the lobby, was connecting to game and got stuck on like the 4th guy, then when the 4th guy left i got stuck on the second one, when i connected to him just fine last try.
Connection was a real issue before the patch and it still is, so im not gonna say connection issues have got worst, cuz they about the same.
But i have noticed a big surge in people dropping and when they do manage to reconnect they are like, that was wierd my connection didnt go or anything, i just dropped.
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Post by MMV on Apr 17, 2006 19:47:57 GMT -5
I did a few tests when I could connect to nothing/games (very occasionally).... and also wondering why I was the one that went OOS (extremely occassionally). Here's what I found out (and it worked for me): MALWARE AND SPYWARE In ALL cases where I could connect to nothing, and in ALL cases where I was the one that was OOS (not a lot, but a few) it was because of malware or spyware I had picked up on the web someplace before going into the game. I use Norton-Antivirus with no problems I use Microsoft Anti-Spyware (an active FREE program) with no problems. BUT, you still pick up malware, spyware, and "E access dial-up" malware (look it up). Consequently, I have always used Ad-Aware SE Personal (free-ware from Lavasoft) to run a quick one-minute check for this stuff. It's free and it's passive (doesn't run until you tell it to scan) here: www.lavasoft.de/software/adaware/ALWAYS picks it up if it's there, ALWAYS quarantines/removes it. I usually used the program once or twice a day, depending where I've been on the internet - but since discovering this was causing "total" non-connections (although rarely) and me being OOS (ever more rarely), I run it before every game now and have not had a problem with the total lack of connecting to games (besides peer issues) or being OOS for a very long time. A night or two ago, I was telling a ladder member from australia (don't remember his handle) about spyware and malware and he said he didn't believe there was such a thing on the net, didn't use any kind of anti-spyware/malware, and had never had any problems with it (although he had never checked). Of course....... the reason we were chatting was because he hadn't been able to connect to a game all day. I've picked up some pretty serioius stuff in gamespy DURING a game (even with windows firewall on and non other programs running); on the forum boards - both c3 and c4), and anywhere else you go on the net - ESPECIALLY GAMING SITES (kid-heavy). No, it doesn't "hurt" your comp, doesn't sneak in a trojan virus, nothing like that at all. It's for pop-up ads, etc. It can also have some serious effects to the tasks you have running (although the malware/spyware may not show on the tasks list) causing excessive memory usage (effecting what could be normal lag, graphics, etc). Personally, besides weaker comps and people with unstable connections, I think this is the NUMBER ONE (preventable) CAUSE of a bad gaming experience with C4 (or ANY other game) on the net.
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Post by Avogadro on Apr 17, 2006 19:53:33 GMT -5
Dusty Dragoon states- "My comp is no big deal. Sony Vaio with 300 gb hard drive and 2 gig ram. Geoforce Nvidia graphics card with 256 mb of ram" Show-off More seriously, I played once again this afternoon with firewall off. 7-man Renaissance cton. One long reload, rest of the game without any issues. The retire bug is still very much alive though.
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Post by Elledge on Apr 17, 2006 20:10:30 GMT -5
I don't know, I feel that there's less problems getting into staging rooms now, but more drops and blips in-game. Yesterday was my second scrap ever due to connection problems halfway through : (
And MMV, how the f**k can you have to run Ad-Aware twice per day unless you are browsing the web in like IE5? How is that even vaguely acceptable in terms of time and effort? I would be immediately done using Windows if I had problems like that. I generally use my computer for about six months, download a couple AAW-esque programs, run them to check, find nothing, and uninstall them again for the next six months; after fifteen years on the Internet I have contracted a total of 1 piece of malware (and that was from an infected burnt CD a friend gave me!) I really don't think the majority of people having problems are doing so due to some strange phone-home spyware bug.
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Post by salqadri on Apr 17, 2006 20:32:29 GMT -5
lol. Now go read my story . You'll like it tommy. Posting ur experience on beta forum.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Apr 17, 2006 21:20:42 GMT -5
That is a good point MMV, I normally run a ad scanner once a week, but it seems they are getting worse as well, Spybot just cleaned a crap load off just from last week. Spyware does eat up your bandwidth while it tracks your activities, and anything that is effecting your ping times is not good for Civing.
CS
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Post by MMV on Apr 17, 2006 23:18:27 GMT -5
I don't know, I feel that there's less problems getting into staging rooms now, but more drops and blips in-game. Yesterday was my second scrap ever due to connection problems halfway through : ( And MMV, how the f**k can you have to run Ad-Aware twice per day unless you are browsing the web in like IE5? How is that even vaguely acceptable in terms of time and effort? I would be immediately done using Windows if I had problems like that. I generally use my computer for about six months, download a couple AAW-esque programs, run them to check, find nothing, and uninstall them again for the next six months; after fifteen years on the Internet I have contracted a total of 1 piece of malware (and that was from an infected burnt CD a friend gave me!) I really don't think the majority of people having problems are doing so due to some strange phone-home spyware bug. Ah, I remember now, it was YOU who said mal/spyware didn't exist. We're NOT talking about viruses and the like that are caught by the antivirus, we're talking about what's called MALWARE and SPYWARE that puts tracking cookies, etc on your comp. BIG difference. I use the internet for a LOT more than gaming. and yes, I use IE explorer, but not IE5 as you pointed out (in the past few years of your 14 years, it's been updated a few times - IE6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2 (service pack 2 and always current) if you come to this forum, you're getting mal/spyware. if you're not running SP2, you're going to have problems with the game. if you log into the C4 game server to play a game, you're getting spyware - EVERYTIME, not just once. the same malware/spyware file can keep re-installing itself EACH and EVERY time you go to a site that has them - hence the BIGGEST problem. if you use yahoo, aol, aim, msn - you're getting spyware - if you use the internet AT ALL - you're getting mal/spyware. if you don't believe me (or more like, don't know what it is) download that Ad-Aware by Lavasoft - it's THE TOP OF THE LINE company and it's free. Download it - check for updates - run scan - and watch it find them - after it finds them click on next - then click on the boxes where the spyware is, then quarantine, then remove when that is done. My scan time only takes about 1 minute because there isn't much spyware - the first time xxxxxxx used it, it took an hour and Ad-Aware found more than 400 different files that had almost ground his comp to a complete halt. you have NO clue about it "after 14 years on the internet" and you're the one having the problems. clearly what you're doing doesn't work for you - if your happy with your results - just keep on doing it. want different results? try something different. Doing it YOUR way and pizzin'N'moaning about your results is nothing short of insane, lol. I do it a different way (a way a LOT OF PEOPLE do it) and I don't have your problems. edited to add: you're 19, things have changed a lot since you started using the internet at age 5.
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Post by Elledge on Apr 18, 2006 0:45:36 GMT -5
Things have certainly changed since I started using the internet at age 5, I guess; back when we got cable in '94 there wasn't really any heavy advertisement stuff going on online, and I think when that took off, spyware became a profitable and popular venture. Anyway, I'm not sure whether you're attacking me, the Internet, or everyone who complains about connection problems, but I'll try to respond to each coherent part of your post in turn. Ah, I remember now, it was YOU who said mal/spyware didn't exist. We're NOT talking about viruses and the like that are caught by the antivirus, we're talking about what's called MALWARE and SPYWARE that puts tracking cookies, etc on your comp. BIG difference. My job is writing software. I understand the difference between spyware and viruses. I use the internet for a LOT more than gaming. and yes, I use IE explorer, but not IE5 as you pointed out (in the past few years of your 14 years, it's been updated a few times - IE6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2 (service pack 2 and always current) OK, my point was that if you are running IE5, if you don't update your browser, if you don't update your preferred flavor of Windows, you are probably going to be vulnerable. if you come to this forum, you're getting mal/spyware. if you're not running SP2, you're going to have problems with the game. if you use yahoo, aol, aim, msn - you're getting spyware - if you use the internet AT ALL - you're getting mal/spyware. OK, here is the point we disagree on. I have been paid to write web applications much like this forum. Your statement "if you come to this forum, you're getting mal/spyware." makes no sense. When I say it makes no sense, I mean I literally have no idea what you are implying, or where you are getting that idea. You really think that the C4P admins are uploading some spyware to you when you visit this forum? Why are you still here? Listening to you is like listening to a five-year-old who looks around the room and is scared of every shadow. The internet is not a Magical Realm full of Ye Olde Pirate Dangers which you carefully navigate through on your computer. When you visit a website in your browser, you are sending an HTTP request to a server. The server replies with an HTML document which your browser lays out on the screen by itself. That's it! There's no magic. The only way you can contract some mysterious spyware from this is if there is a security hole in the browser, which usually is going to be either in the realm of processing some embedded file (an image, flash document, something like that) or in the Javascript library. Those get fixed fast, at least on Firefox; I haven't used IE for about two years, but I find it hard to believe it's very far behind the times. Listening to you expound about how EVERYONE WHO USES THE INTERNET GETS SPYWARE EVERY SECOND IT'S LIKE A DUST STORM OF EVIL SPY PROGRAMS INVADING YOUR NETWORK is like listening to the government warn people to duct tape their windows because anthrax could get in. Scratch that; it's more ridiculous, because anthrax really can probably get in through windows. if you log into the C4 game server to play a game, you're getting spyware - EVERYTIME, not just once. the same malware/spyware file can keep re-installing itself EACH and EVERY time you go to a site that has them - hence the BIGGEST problem. This is equally incoherent. I don't know how the Gamespy lobby works, so I can't speak with 100% authority, but it seems extremely unlikely that Gamespy or Firaxis would want or need to install some spyware onto our machines. Unless, of course, you don't have a f**king clue how networking works, and you think that by connecting to another computer you are magically letting in all the spyware boogeymen. if you don't believe me (or more like, don't know what it is) download that Ad-Aware by Lavasoft - it's THE TOP OF THE LINE company and it's free. Download it - check for updates - run scan - and watch it find them - after it finds them click on next - then click on the boxes where the spyware is, then quarantine, then remove when that is done. My scan time only takes about 1 minute because there isn't much spyware - the first time xxxxxxx used it, it took an hour and Ad-Aware found more than 400 different files that had almost ground his comp to a complete halt. OK, Ad-Aware is not your big secret. I've said each time this comes up that I've used Ad-Aware. Here, you want to be really extra sure? Give me ten minutes to download and run it as we speak. Oh boy! Got some results! Look at all these terrible spywares which are grinding my computer to a complete halt as we speak!While I'm at it, I'd also like to question the idea that having these horrible spywares is going to affect your p2p connectivity in Civ4. What exactly do you think they are doing? Last I checked, the job of most of this rubbish is harvesting information off your computer and either feeding you ads, or sending your info back to their server. Breaking your network connection doesn't sound like a very profitable venture. As stated above, I can certainly see badly-written spyware sucking up some bandwidth and increasing ping times a little, but it isn't going to change "everything works ok" to "bad peer on 2 people, game freezes in middle and host drops." So what the hell's your point? I don't have any interest in carrying on a flame war. And if you want to be double triple careful, run Ad-Aware twice per day, and whatever else you do, then fine. Whatever works for you. But it's sort of offensive to have these crappy intermittent problems, and then get flamed by some guy who says that actually, me and the hundreds of other people who have such problems are just stupid liars who don't know how to use their computer, right? We're doing something wrong because we just don't know better and because the internet is so dangerous and full of peril. What a shame. So say whatever you want, but please don't dismiss the real problems that people are having.
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Post by MookieNJ on Apr 18, 2006 2:34:16 GMT -5
lol. Now go read my story . You'll like it tommy. Posting ur experience on beta forum. I enjoyed Tommy's experience and was one of the few who decided to try again, so I followed up with Sal's ... I don't know if it's the patch itself, more people using the GameSpy servers because the patch is out, or just really bad luck ... but I have never seen this many problems in any ladder games I have ever played, let alone teamers with people I play with all the time.
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Post by Ellestar on Apr 18, 2006 2:40:27 GMT -5
I remember once after a new patch 3 players dropped. 2 of them rejoin, 1 other player drops, one rejoin - someone else dropped. And so on Thankfully, reload worked just fine. Other than that, tommynt perfectly described the current situation. Why was all that effort expended on new game features that no one asked for yet basic connectivity is still bugged? Features don't matter if people can't connect. Correction: it's not "still bugged", IT BECOMES WORSE WITH EACH PATCH. I too have noticed multiple new bugs. reloading a game takes forever because of getting stuck on peers when multiple people try to connect at the same time. Seems to be a bug relating to re-entering the lobby as well, as tommy mentioned above. As i noticed, after the patch players ALWAYS stuck when several players join at the same time. It wasn't that bad before the patch. Now any reload takes 15-20 minutes. why don't you try playing a game and find out? games with +10 people have 10 times as many problems. routers, weak-comps below C4 specs, less than adequate and unstable connections, firewalls, etc ALL compound a huge multi-player game Never saw too many 10 person games in C3 or PTW for the same reasons - and the same problems. Bull sh it. Every player who was there played many times in teamers without any problems before last patch. I actually believe the connection problems are better, but more people with problems or lower end computers are playing now. I actually believe that you should actually play before telling us these fairy tales. Besides, i don't think that somehow all 10 players who always played before the patch just fine suddenly sold their computers and brought a low-end ones instead. It's really impossible to test MP fixes in a real world environment without actually releasing then as a beta before hand, and then some people would complain there were being used as free testers Well, smart people do test it in real world environment. Say, it's called stress test in MMORPGs, it lasts 2-3 days before release and is open for everyone. There was 5000 or 10000 beta testers in the latest stage of Warcraft III. Arena.net released one code patch in several hours or even more frequently during E3 for Everyone and World Preview Events (their first Guild Wars open beta events). BUT, you still pick up malware, spyware, and "E access dial-up" malware (look it up). Consequently, I have always used Ad-Aware SE Personal (free-ware from Lavasoft) to run a quick one-minute check for this stuff. It's free and it's passive (doesn't run until you tell it to scan) If you use Bill Gay'ts M$ IE or something as gay, then sure. In 2005, IE users were vulnerable 96% of the time even if they installed latest patches 1 hour after their release. Btw it's widely known that you get most of that crap from pr0n sites. Stop downloading gay pr0n and you should be fine ;D Personally, besides weaker comps and people with unstable connections, I think this is the NUMBER ONE (preventable) CAUSE of a bad gaming experience with C4 (or ANY other game) on the net. No, M$ soft is a number one cause. Don't mix cause and effect. Never use M$ soft unless absolutely nessesary. OK, here is the point we disagree on. I have been paid to write web applications much like this forum. Your statement "if you come to this forum, you're getting mal/spyware." makes no sense. When I say it makes no sense, I mean I literally have no idea what you are implying, or where you are getting that idea. You really think that the C4P admins are uploading some spyware to you when you visit this forum? Why are you still here? Listening to you is like listening to a five-year-old who looks around the room and is scared of every shadow. As i understand, that noob MMV thinks that tracking cookie is a spyware and it slows down computer to a halt And he teaches US what is malware/spyware and how to remove it
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Post by tommynt on Apr 18, 2006 3:13:48 GMT -5
CS, the thing is that all guys were known as nonproblem players and lobby was kinda empty at that time - so blaming anything as civ4 itself is just wrong. There are just sudden drops and peer problems that never happened before
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Post by MMV on Apr 18, 2006 9:21:27 GMT -5
I remember once yada yada yada.... M$ soft is a number one cause. Don't mix cause and effect. Never use M$ soft unless absolutely nessesary yada yada yada... EXCEPT THAT THE GAME SAYS "SUPPORTED OPERATING SYSTEMS:WINDOWS2000 SERVICEPACK 1 OR HIGHER; WINDOWS XP HOME OR PROFESSIONAL (PLUS SERVICEPACK 1 OR HIGHER) - it MAY suck but if you're not using minimum system requirements you're jeopordizing optimal play for yourself (and others). As for the rest of your posted govno, You're keen insight and intelligence is CLEARLY the reason you are enjoying the game as much as you post. Keep doing it your way and keep enjoying the results of your efforts.
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Post by Ellestar on Apr 18, 2006 11:26:25 GMT -5
I remember once yada yada yada.... M$ soft is a number one cause. Don't mix cause and effect. Never use M$ soft unless absolutely nessesary yada yada yada... EXCEPT THAT THE GAME SAYS "SUPPORTED OPERATING SYSTEMS:WINDOWS2000 SERVICEPACK 1 OR HIGHER; WINDOWS XP HOME OR PROFESSIONAL (PLUS SERVICEPACK 1 OR HIGHER) - it MAY suck but if you're not using minimum system requirements you're jeopordizing optimal play for yourself (and others). And that's why i use Windows XP. I use it because it's nessesary. But it's not nessesary to use IE. As for the rest of your posted govno, You're keen insight and intelligence is CLEARLY the reason you are enjoying the game as much as you post. Keep doing it your way and keep enjoying the results of your efforts. As for the rest of my post, you have no arguments so you just admit that i'm right and you're a noob. Next time don't post your nonsense on a forums where may be a people what actually know something about what are you posting. Try to post it on a forum for housemaids, maybe there you'll not be laughed at. By the way, it was so nice to completely ignore Elledge's post and flame me instead. It's another nice board warrior tactics - when cornered, most board warriors ignore everything (especially if they can't argue because of their incompetence) but the things they can flame. Unfortunately for you, i do know common board warrior's tactics as well.
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Post by Avogadro on Apr 18, 2006 11:39:02 GMT -5
Then you both know the drill. Play nice
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