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Post by islandia on Apr 18, 2006 11:56:12 GMT -5
Much as I hate to admit it (because I did test this patch *hides in shame*), the connection issues have gotten much worse. I think this is in large part due to higher network traffic on Gamespy with the advent of the new patch.
The games I have played on the new patch now have all had inexplicable connectivity issues that have tied up the game for several hours. For the most part since I play against the same group of players, I know that "low end hardware" is not the issue at hand. It is especially troubling because I have never had connectivity issues to other players before this patch and now I seem to more often than not be the dubiously monikered "bad peer."
I know for a fact that my connection is good (1.5 Mbps DSL), my computer is adequate (dual core P4 3.2 gigahertz 940, 2 gigabytes of Crucial Ballistics DDR2 PC2-5300, and an ATI Radeon X800XT) and allows me to run the game at 1920x1200 with no lag at 4x antialiasing. The culprit is not me yet many times now I get that annoying message that I have misconfigured my firewall and someone trying to connect can't get to me etc... etc... (and yes of course I have UDP port 2056 open and let in more crap traffic through my firewall than I would care for in order to play this game). So obviously something is wrong, but I'm going to chalk it up to the increased load on the gamespy servers rather than blame the networking code in the patch.
As an empirical test I'm going to try to play more direct ip games with people I know have good computers/connections to see if these same problems crop up and will comment further.
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Post by Ellestar on Apr 18, 2006 12:04:51 GMT -5
Ok, Elledge didn't mention a lot of your mistakes so i'll continue it. Ah, I remember now, it was YOU who said mal/spyware didn't exist. We're NOT talking about viruses and the like that are caught by the antivirus, we're talking about what's called MALWARE and SPYWARE that puts tracking cookies, etc on your comp. BIG difference. Malware and spyware doesn't put tracking cookies. If you know nothing about cookies, read at least wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookieif you come to this forum, you're getting mal/spyware. if you're not running SP2, you're going to have problems with the game No you don't (it may be possible if site will be hacked or if web server that hosts that site will get a virus, certain rare viruses used that way to propagate themselves). Though maybe you may get a tracking cookie from advertising on that site. Besides, by saying that we're getting malware by visiting this forum, you're implying that either site host or site admins are internet criminals. If you log into the C4 game server to play a game, you're getting spyware - EVERYTIME, not just once. the same malware/spyware file can keep re-installing itself EACH and EVERY time you go to a site that has them - hence the BIGGEST problem. So you also want to say that GameSpy automatically installs malware/spyware on our computer every time we join civ 4 lobby? ;D How exactly it can do it? There are only two ways to do it - use various software exploits like worms do it or Civilization itself should work as a trojan dropper that downoads files from a master server (as i understand, gamespy one) and executes it. Which way do you choose? And since when Civ 4 lobby become a site? if you use yahoo, aol, aim, msn - you're getting spyware - if you use the internet AT ALL - you're getting mal/spyware Messengers don't install spyware. I'm using internet and i'm not getting spyware. Huh? if you don't believe me (or more like, don't know what it is) download that Ad-Aware by Lavasoft - it's THE TOP OF THE LINE company and it's free img503.imageshack.us/img503/6158/adaw5jx.jpgWow 2 tracking cookies. These 2 text files do really pose a threat to my computer Where is your spyware and malware? You said that both this forum, civ 4 lobby and internet installs it on my computer.
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Post by Elledge on Apr 18, 2006 12:55:36 GMT -5
Besides, by saying that we're getting malware by visiting this forum, you're implying that either site host or site admins are internet criminals. I AM CALLING THE E-POLICE ON YOU INTERNET CRIMINAL!!! YOU WiLL BE APPREHENDED DUE TO THE E-LAW[/i][/u]
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Post by MMV on Apr 18, 2006 14:20:26 GMT -5
sorry for the mix-up of the names ellestar and elledge.
Can't keep it clean and non-flaming? Increase your vocabularies - both of you - ladder rules. No one sees me cussing and swearing in here; again - ladder rules (I would assume, since I haven't flamed anyone that this is what Avo is referring to).
but once again, I don't have the problems either of you have, so I'll keep doing what I've been doing.
Ellestar - Date Registered: Dec 1, 2005, 10:47am Elledge - Date Registered: Nov 21, 2005, 4:04am MMV - Date Registered: Oct 3, 2005, 9:28am
LOVE it when people on this board call someone a "noob" lol - we're all new here (just some are newer than others).
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Post by Ellestar on Apr 18, 2006 14:26:40 GMT -5
Ellestar - Date Registered: Dec 1, 2005, 10:47am Elledge - Date Registered: Nov 21, 2005, 4:04am MMV - Date Registered: Oct 3, 2005, 9:28am LOVE it when people on this board call someone a "noob" lol - we're all new here (just some are newer than others). I said that you're internet noob, not a forum noob or Civ 4 noob And that perfectly fits you - you don't know what are you talking about but you try be viewed as a knowledgeable person.
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Post by Avogadro on Apr 18, 2006 15:52:38 GMT -5
Enough if I have to step in again posting priveledges shall be suspended.
Back to the connection issues....
Avogadro
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Post by MMV on Apr 18, 2006 15:56:34 GMT -5
lol, I've been using the internet since 1977 as a USNavy rep to ARPA for NSA
and, I've been using computers since before TRS-80's (with their lovely 4K memory), lol.
Both since before you were born.
I've been qualified in Basic, Dos, Unix, Xenix, AS-400, MS Certified for OS, MCSD, MCAD, MCT, MCSA, MCLC, MCDST, MCITP, and MCTS; and the lists go on.
Just because I'm retired and don't work IN THE business environment anymore, doesn't mean I've forgotten.
Now that's enough - no more Elle.*
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Post by Elledge on Apr 18, 2006 16:24:48 GMT -5
Hey MMV, when did you turn this into an attack on Ellestar and my character? Every post now is just stupid cheap shots at "I'm better than you and smarter than you and older than you," which is almost OK anyway if you'd just back it up with any actual relevant facts to the issues at hand, malware and more on-topically connection issues in general.
I guess if you want to play the blame game, technically Ellestar called you a "noob" first, but at least he actually had something of substance in his post along with that, unlike your last few. Congratulations on your Xenix and AS/400 "qualifications." I'm sure they offer a whole lot of insight into Windows malware and Civilization 4 connections.
My last post on the matter. Sorry for helping drag this a bit off-topic.
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Post by Tony on Apr 18, 2006 18:46:20 GMT -5
well i guess it depends on your defination of a noob, there are 2 kinds in my book.
1) Someone that is new to something 2) Someone that may not be new, but just doesnt learn his lesson, i can give some examples, but better not.
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Post by whiplash on Apr 18, 2006 19:34:59 GMT -5
:::Whiplash if the issues between yourself and civ3 management resurface on these boards, your posting priveledges here shall be removed. This is a board for Civ4 for those who play Civ4. Not for Ex-TD's who do not.:::
Avogadro
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Post by zzZhenon on Apr 19, 2006 1:09:31 GMT -5
Sometimes people have junk in their avatars and signatures. Also the www.myleague.com/civ4players has some sort of advertising that often gives me spyware. So it's not myleague nor these forums... it's the 3rd party advertising company. I can't say I've ever gotten anything terribly bad from them though
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Post by zzZhenon on Apr 19, 2006 1:37:02 GMT -5
I think I"m going to listen to Islandia and believe that it's GS -- though to be honest I'm awfully tempted to revert patches
I recall C3C's 1.21 patch as being unplayable... didn't our league(C3P) have to revert to 1.20 until 1.22 came out?
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Post by zerza on Apr 19, 2006 1:39:37 GMT -5
:::Whiplash if the issues between yourself and civ3 management resurface on these boards, your posting priveledges here shall me removed. This is a board for Civ4 for those who play Civ4. Not for Ex-TD's who do not.::: Avogadro LoL your kidding, that came here to?
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Post by zerza on Apr 19, 2006 1:40:26 GMT -5
I think I"m going to listen to Islandia and believe that it's GS -- though to be honest I'm awfully tempted to revert patches I recall C3C's 1.21 patch as being unplayable... didn't our league(C3P) have to revert to 1.20 until 1.22 came out? Yes your right Zhe, it was recalled. I vote we recall this POS patch as well.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Apr 19, 2006 2:52:39 GMT -5
Zerza, you are trolling. Continue to troll and you will be kicked clear. We will not see a rehash of the Civ3 forum here. Several of your posts have been deleted (here and elsewhere) for exceedingly disrespectful language. Make your points politely and respectfully, or don't make them at all. Dodging the vulgarity filter and adding posts that do nothing to move the conversations forward except via flinging insults is not acceptable in this forum, and will get you swiftly escorted out.
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Post by whiplash on Apr 19, 2006 13:16:36 GMT -5
:::Whiplash if the issues between yourself and civ3 management resurface on these boards, your posting priveledges here shall be removed. This is a board for Civ4 for those who play Civ4. Not for Ex-TD's who do not.::: Avogadro I don't even remember what I said, but I'm pretty sure it was inocuous. What are the censorship rules here?
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Post by GERMANIA on Apr 19, 2006 13:46:12 GMT -5
Well i have seen now a few times that the games tells you the game is full, even if all tell you a few slots are open and the displays shows you it you get the error the game is full, would be great would that been fix i tried to join a game like 8 times and didn't get in even by rs civs a few times..
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Post by loki1023 on Apr 19, 2006 16:58:29 GMT -5
I know many of you don't want to hear it ,but you can fix most of your connection issues by simply using Hamachi to connect to one another that alone will ususaly bring your conection rate up to about 98%. Hell the only problem we Hamachi players have usualy is getting a game started quickly because of the time needed to get players ,but that wait time goes down each week and we are nearing 100 members on "The Hamachi C.4.M.P Lobby"' btw the front page on my site explains Hamachi a bit if your curious check it out if not don't flame I am just offering you a work around
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Post by zerza on Apr 19, 2006 20:00:49 GMT -5
Zerza, you are trolling. Continue to troll and you will be kicked clear. We will not see a rehash of the Civ3 forum here. Several of your posts have been deleted (here and elsewhere) for exceedingly disrespectful language. Make your points politely and respectfully, or don't make them at all. Dodging the vulgarity filter and adding posts that do nothing to move the conversations forward except via flinging insults is not acceptable in this forum, and will get you swiftly escorted out. I know he missed picking on me. I flinged no insults to any individuals so I'm at a loss as to your claim. This is a feedback thread for people to post their angst with the rash of new connection problems that have come about. These connection issues should be highest priority for them to fix. Not some expansion, its wrong to expect MORE money from a customer for a product that STILL dont work. A company that partakes in such practices is going to have people say harsh things about them. Making comments regarding the company that is yanking us along is not trolling, its a valid consumer response. It dont work, and I wanna rant after a 2 hour game of hell.
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Post by Elledge on Apr 19, 2006 20:37:37 GMT -5
Well i have seen now a few times that the games tells you the game is full, even if all tell you a few slots are open and the displays shows you it you get the error the game is full, would be great would that been fix i tried to join a game like 8 times and didn't get in even by rs civs a few times.. I've noticed that too the past couple days. Strange.
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