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Post by Sidhe on Apr 26, 2006 13:18:36 GMT -5
Has anyone thought of trying civ4F, it does all the crazy bootup stuff without you having to remember to set clear cache etc etc, I never have any connection issues, I had a fair few before I used it, it's probably easier to install and run than Hamatchi, works for me? Takes about 30 secs to d/l on a reasonable connection and about 1 min to set up. For me there has to be a reason that thre are less connection issues when all are using it.
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Post by Ellestar on Apr 26, 2006 15:42:57 GMT -5
2: Can anybody recommend a better mp strategy game as the connection issues with this are really pxxxing me of playing it anymore other than none ladder games (no reporting to do because you cant reconnect)[ You can try "The battle for Wesonth" www.wesnoth.org It's a very nice tactical TBS. It's an open source game so you can get it for free. There is an internet lobby etc. No connection issues ever but there is another problem - there aren't a lot of good players. If i remember correctly, it won several "best open source game" awards. I can't say that it's better than Civ 4 but it's fun to play as well.
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Post by Elledge on Apr 26, 2006 15:58:07 GMT -5
First off hamachi is just what it claims to be a zero configuration virtual private network application and is geared soley to connect people to one another as for the zillion features comment it's actualy more simplistic to run than most instant messaging programs and as for how it works it is not open source ,but they do tell you what standards it is built around on their website. I'm fairly well-versed in networking and I'm personally interested in how it manages to establish its connections. After looking around, the best I could find on the site and its forums was a vague allusion to UDP hole punching, which isn't generally reliable enough to use for applications like this. The reason they don't make it clear is because it's a trade secret, which I can respect, but that doesn't make it any less bothersome to have a program running packets down my network whose operations are explicitly completely unknown to me. Hmm I thought you were 99% unwilling to install it... Yep, I installed it to try one game to see if it worked and because Kazache was looking for lots of people to test it with. but if you did try it and have an error like that were you using the latest beta version of the program ? Yes. did you have at least 1 port forwarded to your pc ? and how strict are your firewall settings? My firewall was down. btw the connection issue could have been on the other persons side and we have noticed that many of the people that get this error in civ4 can bypass it by using the join game function under multiplayer - LAN GAMES dunno why it works ,but it does. There is something still off with the civ4 code so that may explain why I doubt it was Civ4's problem; the obvious symptom was that the little Hamachi dot next to his name (I forgot who it was) was yellow for me, and mine was yellow for him ("peer unreachable"). Anyway, it just bugs me. Sorry.
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Post by Tony on Apr 26, 2006 15:58:21 GMT -5
I started playing AoE for a while, that was OK, but i really hate real time BS.
I have too be looking for a good MP turn based game, but havnt found one yet, hence i play CIV.
If anyone has any suggestions i would be very interested, i have tried a few of those "free games" but dont really like them.
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Post by loki1023 on Apr 27, 2006 2:13:58 GMT -5
What do you mean by if they could ? All they need to do is download and install the hamachi client . Its hard enough to find a ladder game as it is. You can run your web browser and civ4 or run civ4fans and view the games list and chat at the same time . Has anyone thought of trying civ4F, it does all the crazy bootup stuff without you having to remember to set clear cache etc etc, I never have any connection issues, I had a fair few before I used it, it's probably easier to install and run than Hamatchi, works for me? Takes about 30 secs to d/l on a reasonable connection and about 1 min to set up. For me there has to be a reason that thre are less connection issues when all are using it. Actualy Hamachi is easier to use than most instant messaging clients ,but I do agree CIV4FANS does help thats why Eiffel and I support one another we want to help connect players together more easily hence the new buttons in c4f for easy access to the Hamachi C4MP Lobby website using the internal browser of the program and the new chat button that allows one click access to our irc chat room. 5 questions for whoever 1: why should we have to install hamachi to play this game when it should have been made correctly in the first place? In a perfect world you wouldn't ,but this worlds not perfect and that obviously shows in the civ4 MP code =( I doubt it was Civ4's problem; the obvious symptom was that the little Hamachi dot next to his name (I forgot who it was) was yellow for me, and mine was yellow for him ("peer unreachable"). Anyway, it just bugs me. Sorry. Hmm you gents should have posted the info on the bugs and support boards on the Hamachi C4MP Lobby website I would have looked into it for you. BTW I have a post on the bugs and support board on my site for people experiencing the yellow status it's a very rare thing to happen though . And you have no need to apologise if you don't care for Hamachi I don't expect everyone to like the idea of using a third party app to play Civ IV ,but it works quite well 98% of the time so I can't complain
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Post by Ellestar on May 6, 2006 0:41:03 GMT -5
Looks like this patch improved overall connectivity. We played two 7v7 games yersterday. Reload is relatively slow because players can only pass through one at a time, and sometimes someone should restart Civ so to allow others to join. And host drop bug when game just starts is still with us. But other than that, it's more stable.
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Post by tommynt on May 6, 2006 0:47:38 GMT -5
as long as u arent forced to rejoin - and no1 dies - and u dont have a mod loaded - and espacially when u play only with known players - there s a lil chance to end game - oh ya lobby is f**ked up very regularly aswell latly - european morning u usually have no friendlist and very regularly players dont get into lobby - how to reload then?
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Post by Bantams on May 6, 2006 2:28:24 GMT -5
as long as u arent forced to rejoin - and no1 dies - and u dont have a mod loaded - and espacially when u play only with known players - there s a lil chance to end game - oh ya lobby is f**ked up very regularly aswell latly - european morning u usually have no friendlist and very regularly players dont get into lobby - how to reload then? I have this buddy list disapearing problem also but if i exit and re-logon it all comes back i think its caused by c4f and not civ and btw you aint my buddie
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Post by tommynt on May 6, 2006 3:45:24 GMT -5
and it gonna stay that way bantam
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Post by loki1023 on May 6, 2006 10:27:27 GMT -5
c4f should have no effect on the lobby it is simply a chat application.
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Post by Ellestar on Jun 1, 2006 0:25:32 GMT -5
4 reloads, numerous drops and a scrap in the end... What a teamer was yesterday!
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Post by loki1023 on Jun 1, 2006 1:34:15 GMT -5
4 reloads, numerous drops and a scrap in the end... What a teamer was yesterday! Try using hamachi it truly creates a more stable gaming enviroment ,and if you don't feel like that use the normal direct ip method my site can list both of these games. Btw there may be a few quirks atm I am introducing a host of new functions on the site .
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Post by tommynt on Jun 1, 2006 3:01:52 GMT -5
loki there is nothing that helps to f**ked up rejoining - it s allways some other (really randomly picked) blocking some1 incoming - this is so much more worse as the bad peer problem pre patch - as it leads to uncountable amount of scraps - prepatch some players could just not play together - oh well bad luck - find another game
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Post by MMV on Jun 1, 2006 9:21:30 GMT -5
loki0123 - ever consider joining the ladder so you can post here (in accordance with the rules) and advertise your efforts?
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Post by loki1023 on Jun 1, 2006 11:11:05 GMT -5
loki0123 - ever consider joining the ladder so you can post here (in accordance with the rules) and advertise your efforts? Yes I have considered joining ,but was not advertising just sugesting a diffrent aproach. Atm though I see little reason to join the ladder instead I prefer to put my time and energy into helping the civ mp community and work with others here such as the admins and Eiffel whom would like to see this community evolve into something better than infighting and insults.
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