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Post by TheGoddess on Oct 30, 2005 13:27:55 GMT -5
I havent touched the game anymore, now Im more into seeing how to return it and get my 50 bucks back. I have spoken with several of the testers in the Conquests lobby, not 1 of them has anything positive to say about this game. And I am also aware that many in the Conquests lobby dont have the game, but there are also many in there that were testers and these are the people that dont like it. I dont EVER remember anyone having to campaign for PTW or Conquests just to get people to play it a few times so that it might grow on them. We loved those games from the begining, no one told us to love them.
I am aware that this is a big change, however I do see a major drop off of what you might call regular ladder members. Perhaps thats what 2kgames was looking for, a new market, dunno? However this game is pretty much about LONG drawn out games and defense, neither is my cup of tea.
You will not see me playing this game online, I will be playing PTW and Conquests till its dead, then I will be looking for a different strat game. Perhaps Civ5 will return to its roots or fail in medicoraty.
I still cant get over that this game has been in production for 1.5 years and its this messed up. I dont even think Microsoft has this much trouble in launching a new OS, even their worst one.
In all sincerity I cant tell you how disappointed I am in this game. I feel hurt at what has been done to this game that I loved so much. I shake my head in disappointment each day while thinking to myself "what were they thinking?".
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Post by sparta on Oct 30, 2005 13:42:38 GMT -5
I havent touched the game anymore, now Im more into seeing how to return it and get my 50 bucks back. Nice to know. but I really, honestly, don't care. What testers are those? From what I've seen, the testers like the game. That right there is BS. PTW was EXTREMELY buggy at first, and lots of people disliked it. Maybe not as much as CIV, but that was because it was an expansion pack, and it wasn't even a different game then the past game, which was vanilla civ3. It's entirely possible to have a war game with lots of attacking, it's just that the strategies haven't been tried yet. Most are still learning the basics... In my mind, PTW is closing in on its final days. C3C, however, will live for a long time. What part of the game is messed up? The MP is still very buggy, but that will be fixed in patches to come. As far as the game goes, it's not messed up, it's just that you don't like it. Get those 2 things straight.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Oct 30, 2005 14:02:58 GMT -5
Just want to add my two cents. I fail to see how someone can play CIV IV a few times and not conclude its a better game. So far I've not seen one OOS. In 400 turns or so I've frozen once and had to reload from lobby. Another time someone dropped but was able to hot join.
Play a game or two single player - read the documentation and come play. It's a mile ahead of where we were. We're approaching the 500 games played mark on the new C4P Ladder. This *IS* the future.
Just my opinion.
SPM
PS: I was a beta tester. Not the most active, but I made the credits <s>. And I think the game has exceeded my expectations.
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Post by sparta on Oct 30, 2005 14:05:18 GMT -5
I still dont have retail version. Damn Amazon
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Post by StarlightDeath on Oct 30, 2005 14:26:48 GMT -5
CivPTW was a joke. I played it once online and gave up as I couldn't even get the wordwrap on the chat to work properly. I won't even go into the horrible gameplay that PTW had. Finally they took some notes from games like age of empires and incorporated not just multiplayer features like coop and team play, but they also incorporated some of the basic ideas of RTS gameplay into it. This game plays like a TBS, but feels like an RTS and I like that since I happen to be a fan of both.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Oct 30, 2005 14:36:55 GMT -5
The only testers who don't like it are the ones who gave up and wandered off after a week or two, instead of sticking with it and adding in the input required to help mold the game into something they liked. Instead of being part of the solution, they chose (and still choose) to be part of the problem. I have no sympathy for them, and wish them well on their old, buggy game after the few CTD bugs are worked out of this one and it's optimized a tad more. Sorry to see you go, Goddess - I was thinking we'd finally get to play.
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Post by TheGoddess on Oct 30, 2005 15:34:00 GMT -5
Sparta,
Please calm down, no need to reprimand "me" for my opinion. I dislike the game and think Im allowed to expound on that. My experience is that many or the regulars DO NOT like this game. I think its kind of self evident when you still see over 100 people in the Conquests lobby.
Sure some have made the leap, sure some more will. But when I was in CIV MP, I saw no one, NOT 1 person I knew from Conquests or PTW. This is a new crowd for the most part that is playing this game. Thats fine, but it still backs up what I am saying. Which is most of the regulars dont like what they have seen in previews and for the ones that bought it, most dont like what they have been sold.
Considerin that I have been playing this game online for over 5 years now, I think I am qualified to say these things without you breathing down my neck like Im some 12 year old that just picked up this franchise last week.
Although I had zero problems upon install into 2 different computers outside of one computer being markedly slower than the other(like I said earlier the faster one is TOP o' THE LINE CUSTOM COMP), the general consensus is that there are lots of problems, just read the forums, check the Conquests lobby, its quite apparent and its not just "1" type of conflict. People are getting numerous different errors.
That right there is BS. PTW was EXTREMELY buggy at first, and lots of people disliked it. Maybe not as much as CIV, but that was because it was an expansion pack, and it wasn't even a different game then the past game, which was vanilla civ3.
You contradict yourself Sparta. Yes there were a couple of patches for PTW, I dont deny that. The game was still playable. I NEVER had or heard of any "install" problems with Conquests, PTW, or Civ3. As for OOS, it goes by a new name these days I hear, 2 new names at that.
What part of the game is messed up? The MP is still very buggy, but that will be fixed in patches to come. As far as the game goes, it's not messed up, it's just that you don't like it. Get those 2 things straight.
There is nothing wrong with the game from what I have seen if you can even install it. On the flipside, what is wrong with Civ3? PTW? Conquests? Nothing, and EVERYONE was able to install these with no major problems. What was your point in that response? Is your point that MP in itself is buggy?
And I do recall hearing about the "cureall" patches before, perhaps that was before your time.
Fried,
I dont think you are half as sorry as I am to see what has become of our beloved game. I was so wanting to make the jump, but I cant keep my eyes open long enough to create 2 warriors with this game, let alone build another city. It is an incredibly boring game.
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Post by zzZhenon on Oct 30, 2005 15:52:23 GMT -5
I havent touched the game anymore, now Im more into seeing how to return it and get my 50 bucks back. I have spoken with several of the testers in the Conquests lobby, not 1 of them has anything positive to say about this game. And I am also aware that many in the Conquests lobby dont have the game, but there are also many in there that were testers and these are the people that dont like it. I dont EVER remember anyone having to campaign for PTW or Conquests just to get people to play it a few times so that it might grow on them. We loved those games from the begining, no one told us to love them. I am aware that this is a big change, however I do see a major drop off of what you might call regular ladder members. Perhaps thats what 2kgames was looking for, a new market, dunno? However this game is pretty much about LONG drawn out games and defense, neither is my cup of tea. You will not see me playing this game online, I will be playing PTW and Conquests till its dead, then I will be looking for a different strat game. Perhaps Civ5 will return to its roots or fail in medicoraty. I still cant get over that this game has been in production for 1.5 years and its this messed up. I dont even think Microsoft has this much trouble in launching a new OS, even their worst one. In all sincerity I cant tell you how disappointed I am in this game. I feel hurt at what has been done to this game that I loved so much. I shake my head in disappointment each day while thinking to myself "what were they thinking?". Goddess when did you ever play Conquests? I seem to recall you complaining about C3C just the same as you are now with Civ4. You were banned from the C3C boards and the Ladder, then fled to the PTW gamespy room where you've been sulking ever since. Did you somehow miraculously grow to love Conquests? And now you don't like Civ4? For how long? Until you realize that you've made a hasty mistake? I love how Civ4 has fixed the ICS issue and incorporated techs etc into the scoring system. I'm having a great time. The only drawback is the cludgey unit battling system... though I have hopes that I will improve as I get more experienced with the game. All in all, I give Civ4 two thumbs up.
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Post by Don K Hotay on Oct 30, 2005 16:50:26 GMT -5
CIV is a solid game. I was an inactive tester who is now an addicted player (just single player so far). I didn't find the interface very difficult to get a hang of, it's actually much better than Civ3. It's only flaw seems to be that it's too small, or rather the units and tiles are too big, even when you zoom out just below cloud level. What's great is that you are warned about enemies, so the main reason for having more tile area visible on the screen isn't all that significant.
But I love that I do not have to zoom into the city view anymore. I can decide what to build from the main screen and still have all the unit/building/wonder information available. Grouping/ungrouping units is awesome, along with the battle information. The whole idea of having units that effectively counter each other is AWESOME. However I wish there was some way to queue how you wanted certain units to be promoted. Might pose a time problem in multiplay.
Wonderful game though!
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Post by sparta on Oct 30, 2005 17:06:02 GMT -5
Sparta, Please calm down, no need to reprimand "me" for my opinion. I dislike the game and think Im allowed to expound on that. My experience is that many or the regulars DO NOT like this game. I think its kind of self evident when you still see over 100 people in the Conquests lobby. There are still people in Conquests lobby because they either haven't gotten the game because they heard it stunk, from people like you, and they haven't even tried the game, or it's because they played the game, and like you, thought it was too different and lame to spend time playing. Those are the non ladder players you are seeing who change their names. I've seen plenty of players that I know, maybe you are just on at a weird time. I'm not breathing down your neck for your opinion, I just don't get why you go ON AND ON about how the game sucks. Okay, we get the point, the game sucks (in your opinion) You do not need to keep ranting on these forums day after day saying it over and over, just for the heck of it. I agree, there are tons of bugs. Sure, maybe the beta testers didn't do the best job. Maybe it's because we didn't have enough of them. Or maybe because we didn't have enough time to test it all. Who knows? The bugs will (hopefully) be fixed in patches. I don't know why the game is unplayable for you; I'm running a tourney right now as I speak with 19 players in it, and it is running ultra smooth for them. Yeah, people were able to install those 3 with no problems because they weren't thrown out by 2K, who are a bunch of hooligans. And yes, MP is very buggy, at least the lobby is.
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Post by oddible on Oct 30, 2005 17:08:36 GMT -5
People who are saying nice things about the PTW release have very limited memories I'm afraid. True, no install problems. But the consistency of getting booted from MP made it almost COMPLETELY unplayable until the 2nd patch - and really, they didn't resolve most of the issues until 3rd patch. Yes, I bought it day 1.
This thread is starting to sound like trolling.
Seriously - the strategy is still there, the 3D engine is unnecessary but alas, we gotta live with it. If you are seriously thinking that this game offers you nothing, then my reply is that you haven't played it. Are you one of the folks who cannot install the game or cannot play the game due to video card issues? Or maybe one of the folks who is able to play but only on a very low end video card? If so, then you should shelve the game until you get a better vid card (sadly - I'm with ya on this one - didn't need to have these system reqs to be a good game). However, this game ROCKS on the strategy end and there are MANY of the same names in the lobby that I played with in C3C so me thinks you should stew on it a while longer rather...
Have fun whatever you decide!
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Post by Avogadro on Oct 30, 2005 20:55:35 GMT -5
Well Goddess too bad you are leaving us. This tester however also find the new game to be quite nice. It takes a bit of practice. With this game you don't get production automatically like ptw or c3c. You have to work at it. Making settlers??? psssst a forest chop!!! I for one know The GC Clan is jumping right in and loving it. No production? You wouldn't say that if Trinity showed up on your doorstep with 8 immortal-archers turn 40 ;D If you dislike the game this is fine, but please do not come here and disrespect the civ4 community with your comments. Bring your game back if you don't like it. I went to PTW last week in GS remember? There were like 8 of us. You want to noob hunt you stay there, once you ready to tangle with the big boys then give us all a call PS-no disrespect intended to your play level but this is not a forum for dissing civ4. It is a place for fans to gather and form a community.
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Lets Party at your place!!
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Post by Trayk on Oct 30, 2005 23:26:42 GMT -5
I havent touched the game anymore, now Im more into seeing how to return it and get my 50 bucks back. GREAT..dont let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya
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Post by DrShot on Oct 31, 2005 1:28:02 GMT -5
The Goddess returned again. WOW. I never would have guessed you to mingle with most any of us again. Sure, I remember your torrid affair with the concept of switching names and 'I always play but you will never know it is me ' chronicles. Perhaps the anonymity was better for us both.
Many here,obviously some, do not know of you and your love for our community. You spent more time being an obstacle where as you could have down loaded your impressive knowledge of experience of civ from pre-civ up to conquests.
Perhaps you should have taken a moment to read the book, the one provided for a sound reason. Would you be so shrewd as to drop $50 for a product and not ask what it does or what it is for? Perhaps you have done just that.
I do not want to stall your inevitable departure, for as much as I do miss your always kind words you have always had for me....
Well I just thought I should stop by and say 'HI!'... or in this case
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Post by DrShot on Oct 31, 2005 1:42:27 GMT -5
Almost forgot: Any game with Leonard Nemoy as the narrator has my vote for game of the year. Further, the Internet Icon is , well, 'fascinating'
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Post by Cruise on Oct 31, 2005 2:28:51 GMT -5
Word Shot, And to quote Spock, The Goddess, Live long and prosper!
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Oct 31, 2005 2:32:08 GMT -5
OOS is back and has two names now?
Au contraire, madame. Whoever you heard that from is spreading misinformation, and I hope you will do us the privilege of correcting them the next time you see them. It's still possible to get an OOS, technically, but it goes by no other name, and takes a lot of work.
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Post by zzZhenon on Oct 31, 2005 11:46:34 GMT -5
I suggest you leave now goddes before Mr Nimoy decides to do something "irrational."
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Post by Mo_D on Oct 31, 2005 12:21:40 GMT -5
I too, was not particularly thrilled the first couple times I gave CIV a spin, but it's starting to grow on me. There are SOOO many strategic improvements. Different resources needing different types of terrain improvements to take advantage of their benefits (rather than just connecting them with a road) - awesome. Unit promotions - very cool. Great people - awesome concept. Artillery units that are actually useful - nice. And my favorite one so far: You don't EVER really need more than 8 cities or so. It seems with each new game I learn something new and say to myself "Wow, I didn't know you could do that! Cool!" Yes, the beginning of the game is a slow-go, no doubt about it. Once you get the ball rolling though, you can really crank production and tech. I think it'll come to pass that the difference between highly skilled and lesser skilled players will be much more pronounced with CIV. And that's a good thing. Sometimes you like a song right away, and sometimes you don't, but it grows on you. It's always been my experience that the ones that grow on you are the ones you still love years from now. I'm starting to think that's how CIV will be. You might just want to give this game that chance before you get that refund, Goddess. You just might be glad you did.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Oct 31, 2005 12:30:58 GMT -5
Some people process change differently that others. It is scary sometimes to enter a changed world when we were just getting comfortable with the old one.
Over the weekend almost 600 games were played in the CIV4Players Ladder. I played 20 of them myself.
Give CIV4 a chance. Like Mo said it grows on you.
Best, SPM
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