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Post by lporiginalg on Jun 2, 2006 1:59:20 GMT -5
No reason? It's called building a stack Ellestar. My basic point is that you question all my moves and tell me I don't know what I'm doing but you have NOTHING to back it up with because all you do is hide behind tommy and the rest of your clanmates in your teamers. Plenty of other #1 ranked players have come and gone before you piggy-backing on tommy with that same excuse, I don't play duels cause I don't like them. Your not fooling a single person tho, most duels can be finished in 20-30 mins tops so you if you don't want to do it for fun do it for honor, do it to prove you deserve to be #1. Too bad your scared you'll be eating your words and getting owned by a low-skill no nothing noob like me.
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Post by Elledge on Jun 2, 2006 2:20:47 GMT -5
LP WHY DIDNT U MOVE THE AXEMAN OVER TO THE EAST ON FOREST HILL GOD !!!
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Post by Ellestar on Jun 2, 2006 4:21:15 GMT -5
No reason? It's called building a stack Ellestar. It's not a duel/cton so here tactic is a little different. Together we had enough units to kill that city before it got a culture expansion, more units in it etc. It was their only front city so no point to build a stack in an attempt to surprise the enemy. My basic point is that you question all my moves and tell me I don't know what I'm doing but you have NOTHING to back it up with because all you do is hide behind tommy and the rest of your clanmates in your teamers. Plenty of other #1 ranked players have come and gone before you piggy-backing on tommy with that same excuse, I don't play duels cause I don't like them. I tend to disagree ;D First, i got a 1st place in a fair fight (teamers of course) Ellestar - last 200 gamestommynt 1 4 WON Wed May 24 12:45:09 2006 tommynt 2 3 WON Fri May 26 13:19:27 2006 everybodysdarling 1 2 WON Fri May 26 15:45:38 2006 tommynt 3 2 WON Fri May 26 15:42:29 2006 That was 3 teamers in a row vs tommynt in opposite team. So it's not like i'm always hiding behind him And i got 1st place in previous time while playing against: Germania 2 3 WON Fri May 5 11:08:12 2006 [RaY]Rokkit 24 3 WON Fri May 5 11:01:49 2006 Elite_Fighter 10 3 WON Fri May 5 11:01:12 2006 Sebsss 67 3 WON Fri May 5 11:01:04 2006 Tretyakov 48 3 WON Fri May 5 11:00:25 2006 Islandia 8 3 WON Fri May 5 11:00:06 2006 [GC]Nero 5 3 WON Fri May 5 10:59:06 2006 Polydeukes 6 1 WON Fri May 5 15:28:36 2006 everybodysdarling 11 1 WON Fri May 5 15:26:00 2006 [RaY]Rokkit 26 1 WON Fri May 5 15:24:53 2006 AngelOnEarth 29 1 WON Fri May 5 15:24:14 2006 tommynt 1 2 WON Fri May 5 15:22:31 2006 Tretyakov 50 2 WON Fri May 5 15:21:58 2006 2 teamers in a row, both times i was a captain in my team vs Germania and Tommynt respectively. *** Second, I AM NOT IN A CLAN. Thank you. I got an invitation to join TX and/or to play with TX in CCC as a guest. I said that i'll play in CCC with TX as a guest and i'll give my answer about joining a clan after CCC. After CCC TX leader left the clan and clan was disbanded so i never was in a Civilization clan. Your not fooling a single person tho, most duels can be finished in 20-30 mins tops so you if you don't want to do it for fun do it for honor, do it to prove you deserve to be #1. Too bad your scared you'll be eating your words and getting owned by a low-skill no nothing noob like me. I don't need any "honor" and i don't have any desire to prove anything to anyone. I never claimed that i'm a skilled duel player because i'm not one. Probably you're a better duel player than me. So what? I'm a better teamer player than you so it evens it out. And so you got some advices from me as well in that teamer (however most were from tommynt and others). IMHO there is no need to go crazy because of it.
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Post by lporiginalg on Jun 2, 2006 5:07:07 GMT -5
My mistake, I saw you on MUD roster for this CCC so I assumed you were a member. Fair enough I suppose. I'm a better teamer player than you Says who? How do you measure such a thing anyway? You can't. I agree that team playing is a different dynamic and some people are better at doing what's good for the team while others simply try to showboat and get the high score or wonder sleeper but there's only one way to measure who is a more skilled player and that's with the duel. If your so against that than meet me in a cton and we'll see who needs to learn how to play. And if you ever have the good fortune to play on a team with me again stfu and listen you might learn something, nub.
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Post by GERMANIA on Jun 2, 2006 5:07:43 GMT -5
Well if you remember right, i was in your team elle and won the game for you like the other times
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Post by Hombre on Jun 2, 2006 6:26:34 GMT -5
From my point of view, the problem is elistist implanted in CIV ladder. The most common word used in teamers is noob, you just need to wait 5 minutes and then you will read some1 calling noob another one. Im not too experienced in CIV, but I played a lot in C3C as many as I can say that im an experienced player in C3C (any kind of games), I played over 2000 games during 2 or more years, and I considered myself a noob over 1000 games, now some1 is a veteran player just cause he has joined one elitist clan or cause he plays teamers with the elite. The funniest think is that when you auto-call yourself an elite, that allows you to ask some1 to build units for you and give it to you, thats funny cause you can build 3-4 units and give it to your front teamate (auto-elite), then the enemy units reach your land and kill you and they call you noob cause you didnt built any unit. Noobs are noobs and unless you allow they play vs experienced players and die doing big mistakes, they will continue as noobs. In that ladder If you reach rank 10 or so, you can stay 2-3 days without playing and then you still will be rank 50, in c3c (when i played) if you were rank 10 one day later you should be rank 30-40 and next day 100. Thats the problem of the elitism, you have created and now you are receiving the problems. Why you not allow any1 play in your teamers at the begining you will loose plenty games with noobs, but this noobs will become better and better and someday they will teach you something. The more noobs become better player the best for the skill of the ladder and then a noob will become vet sooner. Lets do a suposition, actually are 30 players that autoconsider they as vet and all the others players are considered as noob. All these players play vs they in 95% of games, so they knowelledge keeps into these group and any other player can learn anything. Tommy has his bad points "in my opinion", but he has writen about his games tips and is a player that if you as how to do something he teach you without any problem, also Mookie has created a post about Ren, but most of the elite player dont explain how to do things so they also become the problem of the CIV elitism. If one player does a big mistake you can teach him how to do it well, next time just pick him as last pick. CIV is in the market from just 7-9 months, how can people think they are experienced with the game? Your actual skill is nothing compared with the skill you will get in next year. Zerza is right "from my point of view" in his comments. Admins dont play CIV, Fried was suposed the teacher of us and hes just posting about all kind of stuff. I really give thanks when i readed the manuals writen from Fried in C3C, that manuals really teached me!!! thanks Fried for your past nice job, but I also can say than in CIV you havent teached me anything. The teacher in CIV is Tommy, he can be more polite, but it doesnt matter to me cause Tommy is not a Firaxis member and hes wasting his free time, so thanks Tommy. Btw im still a totally noob on C4C. So we need to share tips and skills, and maybe during 4-5 months allow all kind of noob to play with the elite. Maybe 1 noob dies in your team but with 2-3 more noobs on the other team you can get also an easy kill. Tony is right saying that CIV allows you to see what your teamate is doing and then you can get crazy sawing it, but this is a tool with that game and must be usefull. These are my thoughs!!!! Have a nice weekend ill be back on sunday!!!!
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Post by Ellestar on Jun 2, 2006 6:35:55 GMT -5
Well if you remember right, i was in your team elle and won the game for you like the other times Not all the times You won some for me, but i won 1st place for you once as well so it's fair
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Post by Ellestar on Jun 2, 2006 6:50:46 GMT -5
My mistake, I saw you on MUD roster for this CCC so I assumed you were a member. Well, during a previous CCC Tommynt asked with which clan do i play in CCC. I said that i don't play in that CCC because noone invited me to play with them. He said that i should have asked him because MUD lacked players for that CCC. This time once again noone asked me if i want to play with them. Since i didn't want to miss 2nd CCC in a row, i decided to ask Tommynt, may i play with MUD in this CCC as a guest? I don't like to impose oneself to others and i find it even more stupid to write that i want to play in CCC with any clan on forums but in this case Tommynt already made it known that he's semi-interested so i decided that it's ok to ask him. After a while, he agreed. I'm a better teamer player than you Says who? How do you measure such a thing anyway? You can't. I agree that team playing is a different dynamic and some people are better at doing what's good for the team while others simply try to showboat and get the high score or wonder sleeper but there's only one way to measure who is a more skilled player and that's with the duel. If your so against that than meet me in a cton and we'll see who needs to learn how to play. And if you ever have the good fortune to play on a team with me again stfu and listen you might learn something, nub. ... Whatever. But anyway, technically i was a team captain. And good team players do listen to team captain's advices instead of saying stfu noob. So, you're not a good team player Edit: I found an acceptable way to measure a relative player skill in teamers. It's the order of picking. Recently i was in first 3 picks in top teamers most of the time.
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Post by GERMANIA on Jun 2, 2006 7:36:00 GMT -5
Well i know that not all listen to the cap, because i am doing that job in every teamer i am, but that doesn't mean that non new player is listing they trying there best, but they have the problem that it is most time to much and to fast for them. The practice will change that, and thats why i i think that ctons are the way to learn the game play of a MP game, if you are able to alive in a cton and manage to hold on in points like the leader then you are ready for a aggressive teamer, how we usually play! PS: if there is any new player who is willing to learn then PM in the lobby so that we can do some learning games if you like
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Post by reptile on Jun 2, 2006 7:54:14 GMT -5
This thread title is illogical. Noobs are the ones new to the game (newbie -> noob), so how can they keep on doing something they couldnt do before?
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Post by lporiginalg on Jun 2, 2006 8:04:11 GMT -5
It's pretty natural for people to choose players they've played the most with and are comforable with Ellestar. The teamer we played was 5 MuD + 3 others, 1 of wich was you and you play with those guys all the time. Join a 8 player teamer with 5 ills captained by two ills and see how fast you get picked.
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Post by Lestat on Jun 2, 2006 8:06:18 GMT -5
I've played 1000 games on the ladder you really think I need you to tell me to hook up my copper when I'm front lines in an ancient teamer? You guys take all the fun out of civing and from now on the only games I play we will be on opposite sides, which means i'll probably only ever play you in the ccc because all your teamers are 75%+ composed of your clan, how else would you all stay in the top 10? Hey, i'm not in MUD and i'm in top 10 as well. So it's not like it's impossible. And to Mr.Ranked #1 who says I need to learn how to play: Quit being a chicken and accept my duel challenge, then we'll see who gets schooled. Correction: learn how to play in ancient teamers And i said it after you complained that you get too much directions about what to do (mostly from tommynt IIRC). No reason to stay with 4 axes in your capital when you have only one enemy axe nearby and enemies planted a city on grass and we plan to kill it. Also, roads on front are a first priority, ESPECIALLY when we're trying to kill enemy city. I made roads for you... Besides, you was in a situation when enemies had 4 warriors vs your 2 in capital (that's when you moved 2 warriors on copper) - it's not really safe. Also, you should have fortified 1st axe you got on a forest in front of your capital instead of warrior hunting. You had enough warriors on your own to hold remaining enemy warriors for a while but you shouldn't have allowed an enemy axe to take such a good position. But i made some mistakes as well in that teamer. I don't like duels and so i didn't play much of them. If you want duels, ask some duel players like tommynt and they'll gladly play with you. I don't find ctons fun because they're too easy (unless you're being zeged which i hate in other games as well so it's another reason not to play them when i have a high rank). Duels are more random IMHO, and they require to think about everything (i don't like to do it all the time, i prefer tactics to strategy), they require more responsibility (and i don't like responsibility, that's the primary reason why i don't like to be captain in teamers). So, i play teamers, preferably with players who can handle themselves (i don't like to be a captain and i don't like to pick players i don't know). Get 2 good captains i trust in a teamer and i'll play in it. oooo.... i dont play that bc... i dont play that bc... i will play that IF... i will play that IF... soounds like girl
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Post by Lestat on Jun 2, 2006 8:08:50 GMT -5
From my point of view, the problem is elistist implanted in CIV ladder. The most common word used in teamers is noob, you just need to wait 5 minutes and then you will read some1 calling noob another one. Im not too experienced in CIV, but I played a lot in C3C as many as I can say that im an experienced player in C3C (any kind of games), I played over 2000 games during 2 or more years, and I considered myself a noob over 1000 games, now some1 is a veteran player just cause he has joined one elitist clan or cause he plays teamers with the elite. The funniest think is that when you auto-call yourself an elite, that allows you to ask some1 to build units for you and give it to you, thats funny cause you can build 3-4 units and give it to your front teamate (auto-elite), then the enemy units reach your land and kill you and they call you noob cause you didnt built any unit. Noobs are noobs and unless you allow they play vs experienced players and die doing big mistakes, they will continue as noobs. In that ladder If you reach rank 10 or so, you can stay 2-3 days without playing and then you still will be rank 50, in c3c (when i played) if you were rank 10 one day later you should be rank 30-40 and next day 100. Thats the problem of the elitism, you have created and now you are receiving the problems. Why you not allow any1 play in your teamers at the begining you will loose plenty games with noobs, but this noobs will become better and better and someday they will teach you something. The more noobs become better player the best for the skill of the ladder and then a noob will become vet sooner. Lets do a suposition, actually are 30 players that autoconsider they as vet and all the others players are considered as noob. All these players play vs they in 95% of games, so they knowelledge keeps into these group and any other player can learn anything. Tommy has his bad points "in my opinion", but he has writen about his games tips and is a player that if you as how to do something he teach you without any problem, also Mookie has created a post about Ren, but most of the elite player dont explain how to do things so they also become the problem of the CIV elitism. If one player does a big mistake you can teach him how to do it well, next time just pick him as last pick. CIV is in the market from just 7-9 months, how can people think they are experienced with the game? Your actual skill is nothing compared with the skill you will get in next year. Zerza is right "from my point of view" in his comments. Admins dont play CIV, Fried was suposed the teacher of us and hes just posting about all kind of stuff. I really give thanks when i readed the manuals writen from Fried in C3C, that manuals really teached me!!! thanks Fried for your past nice job, but I also can say than in CIV you havent teached me anything. The teacher in CIV is Tommy, he can be more polite, but it doesnt matter to me cause Tommy is not a Firaxis member and hes wasting his free time, so thanks Tommy. Btw im still a totally noob on C4C. So we need to share tips and skills, and maybe during 4-5 months allow all kind of noob to play with the elite. Maybe 1 noob dies in your team but with 2-3 more noobs on the other team you can get also an easy kill. Tony is right saying that CIV allows you to see what your teamate is doing and then you can get crazy sawing it, but this is a tool with that game and must be usefull. These are my thoughs!!!! Have a nice weekend ill be back on sunday!!!! NICE WORDS HOMBRE... HAT OFF
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Post by Ellestar on Jun 2, 2006 9:04:07 GMT -5
oooo.... i dont play that bc... i dont play that bc... i will play that IF... i will play that IF... soounds like girl ROFLMAO Anyway, i'm playing only whatever i find fun to play I can do something else (not Civ 4) instead of playing some game i expect not to be fun. It's pretty natural for people to choose players they've played the most with and are comforable with Ellestar. The teamer we played was 5 MuD + 3 others, 1 of wich was you and you play with those guys all the time. Join a 8 player teamer with 5 ills captained by two ills and see how fast you get picked. I agree with you on that. Last time i checked it was a teamer with 10 players and 5+3=8. Ok, find me one. I'll gladly play in it if teams will be fair (especially as long as i'm not a captain). By the way, when you see such a big Illuminati teamer they generally play in a "5 Illuminati veterans who're playing since Civ 3 and Civ 4 beta vs 5 random noobs" format
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Jun 2, 2006 11:27:01 GMT -5
This thread is - once again - marching bravely into the land of a personal conflict and off the original topic... which was already marginal. If this is going to turn into an LP vs Ellestar match, please take it private; ditto an "Illuminati plays noobs" or "MUD is elitist" flame-slinging fest. Whether or not any particular #1's playstyle matches yours, the position has always been one of controversy because someone will always prefer to play differently. Ellestar has not violated any rules of the position, and if someone wishes to force him into a 1v1 game, the Formal Challenge system is still in place. Let's keep it civil on both sides, please.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Jun 2, 2006 11:29:50 GMT -5
thanks Fried for your past nice job, but I also can say than in CIV you havent teached me anything. Hmmm. I thought the official strategy guide was decent? It wasn't as type-specific and penetrating as some articles could have been, but there's also an element of appealing to a wider audience and deadline-meeting that occurs.
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Post by lporiginalg on Jun 2, 2006 11:40:13 GMT -5
Oh I'm done here, I've made my point and I just hope some of the leet people understand that while it's no fun to have a newb die on your team it's equally unfun to be micromanaged and berated through an entire game, especialy one where your actualy doing well. Anywho maybe I just wanted to stoke the flames a little bit before CCC. Good luck to everyone may the best clan win!
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Post by zzZhenon on Jun 2, 2006 12:36:26 GMT -5
Since this thread's locking seems imminent..... I just want to say:
Last Word!
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Post by Bantams on Jun 2, 2006 13:01:24 GMT -5
Well I for one Aint dead yet
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Post by tommynt on Jun 2, 2006 14:10:36 GMT -5
lp u should not get pissed when people in a teamer tell u obvious things - on a map like pang there s usually only 1 orr 2 front palyers - all others are bored and look whats happening on front and do their comments - thats just teamplay - if u know the thing some1 suggested anyway it s fine - but often enough some things get forgotten 10 eys see more then 2 .. and i saw neither 100 signs in your land nor 5 pings per turn
and es is a good player deserve surly to be n1 for some days or weeks - there ll be another n1 soon again i guess - lp u r a good palyer aswell but es just plays more atm and got therefore better chances for high rank - the teamer we palyed together es played close to perfect imo - not much i d ahve done different (not like i think i d play close to pefect)
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