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Post by Elledge on May 31, 2006 1:55:37 GMT -5
Two workers is nice if you can chop a settler immediately, but if you don't have time for that before you need defense, then it's silly imo.
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Post by tommynt on May 31, 2006 2:32:48 GMT -5
zerza there is hardly bitching in most teamers i m latly in - they just end after 25 turns or so - and after patch there s not much to do for 2 workers espacilly if u go worker 1.
it s exactly as es says 1 worker improve tiles just fast enough as city grow - when it s size 5 or 6 all good tiles are improved and u got enough power size and production to expand - settler ll take now like 4 turns instead 10 and with a chop u got it in no time - it s just a significant difference to prepatch where u needed like 3 workers to chop every wood u saw as fast as possible
and knupp i saw em coming for like 6 turns before they killed u - they even killed 1 warr or scout like 10 turns before killing - u expected em to turn around and go home? when i see a "experienced player" (as he and other think) having bronze 1 tilke from cap and connecting it i just dont expect that he might die for all u gyus out there - just allways have 1 or 2 warriors in cap erly and afterwards a archer - u can upgrade those warriors later in critical situations
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Post by LeExp on May 31, 2006 9:48:38 GMT -5
forget the newbz I keep on dieing
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Post by zerza on May 31, 2006 12:16:05 GMT -5
The title of the thread explains it all. They keep dying BECAUSE their noobs
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Post by knupp on May 31, 2006 13:48:24 GMT -5
Alright, two workers wasn't best move. I obviously know that now. At least I learned something. Tommy, they didn't kill any of my warriors or scout. My scout was almost killed by one warrior but I moved it in time and since the whole team (except 1 player iirc) went worker first I had no warriors. So if they did kill a warrior or scout I didn't know about it and if you saw them for six turns and saw I was still building worker why wouldn't you ping me
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Post by loki1023 on Jun 1, 2006 1:39:58 GMT -5
Noobs will be noobs untill you play with and teach them not order them about the best way to learn the game is through trial and error.
I really don't see why this thread was not deleted when it was posted it's really low to publicly bash somone because they are not as skilled as you or make a mistake then again thats just my oppinion.
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Post by tommynt on Jun 1, 2006 2:49:50 GMT -5
loki just play the game before doing statements - setting up a good teamer takes too long to be just a training game - and i said several time in this thread that everyone makes mistakes - but having no units at all is no mistake but dumb. How could I want others to be as skilled as me - it might be kinda impossible - I played more MP civ4 games as everyone else - I got experience from playing all other civ versions and i m good at stratecig thinkin (imo - at least better as in speeling )
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Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2006 10:25:11 GMT -5
loki just play the game before doing statements - setting up a good teamer takes too long to be just a training game - and i said several time in this thread that everyone makes mistakes - but having no units at all is no mistake but dumb. How could I want others to be as skilled as me - it might be kinda impossible - I played more MP civ4 games as everyone else - I got experience from playing all other civ versions and i m good at stratecig thinkin (imo - at least better as in speeling ) You're right...it does take awhile to train a player. Then again, that's why since WWII, the US military has had like a 10-1 kill rate in its conflicts with that gap widening with every conflict. You don't need to run a full blown teamer to teach a lesser experienced player to learn how to play the game. What you should find yourself responsible for is finding the raw talent out there that has the potential to be a good, if not great player. I think the most important thing you can do is find out if a player has the critical thinking skills to take in all aspects of the game, which is a big order. There are so many ways for a player to contribute to a teamer that you can't just give them a review of what they did wrong after just 1 game. This not to say that I don't think that there are not truly bad players out there. I have watched certain players over a span of 3 months or more to see them making the same mistakes. I feel your pain on that one, but for the ones that have not been playing for more than 3 months, you have to give them time. They simply have not logged the hours and do not have the disposable time that you may have to master the game. I do not think that should be counted as a strike against a player. Also, the player you were talking about in this thread, was actually following your lead and the rest of the team in going worker first. Perhaps the second worker was a mistake, but if you wanted to make sure that he defended himself, say so. As the self-imposed king of MP Civ IV, have patience with other players. You'll get more respect. Kings of the past have been deposed before. The last great king that I know of, died on his ceramic throne eating a peanut butter and banana sandwich. Hail to the King.
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Post by LeExp on Jun 1, 2006 11:01:05 GMT -5
Actually it's a good thing newbz and non noobz keep on dieing. We as humans learn from our mistakes..
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Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2006 11:31:08 GMT -5
Mommy....I don't want to die.
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Post by knupp on Jun 1, 2006 13:59:47 GMT -5
Reading your post dey something came to mind. You are becoming the forum philosopher around here.
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Post by Atomation on Jun 1, 2006 14:03:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately dey never had that raw talent sooooo
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Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2006 14:56:42 GMT -5
My talents lie in other endeavors. It's why I play teamers. I would get owned so hard in a duel or cton. I'm a leech and need support to survive. I suppose I'm the ultimate noob.
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Post by lporiginalg on Jun 1, 2006 15:11:29 GMT -5
Then again, that's why since WWII, the US military has had like a 10-1 kill rate in its conflicts with that gap widening with every conflict. I thought that was becuase 9/10 kills were civilians
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Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2006 16:36:19 GMT -5
It's why it's called total war, LP.
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Post by lporiginalg on Jun 1, 2006 17:50:01 GMT -5
Noobs keep dying....and egotistical thingys keep micromanaging.
I've played 1000 games on the ladder you really think I need you to tell me to hook up my copper when I'm front lines in an ancient teamer? You guys take all the fun out of civing and from now on the only games I play we will be on opposite sides, which means i'll probably only ever play you in the ccc because all your teamers are 75%+ composed of your clan, how else would you all stay in the top 10?
And to Mr.Ranked #1 who says I need to learn how to play: Quit being a chicken and accept my duel challenge, then we'll see who gets schooled.
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Post by Elledge on Jun 1, 2006 18:55:05 GMT -5
HAY LP U SHOULD BUILD AN AXEMAN
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Post by lporiginalg on Jun 1, 2006 19:40:59 GMT -5
BLARGH!
*head explodes*
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Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2006 20:27:10 GMT -5
I'm usually in the bottom 100....where's my challenge LP?
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Post by Ellestar on Jun 2, 2006 1:47:03 GMT -5
I've played 1000 games on the ladder you really think I need you to tell me to hook up my copper when I'm front lines in an ancient teamer? You guys take all the fun out of civing and from now on the only games I play we will be on opposite sides, which means i'll probably only ever play you in the ccc because all your teamers are 75%+ composed of your clan, how else would you all stay in the top 10? Hey, i'm not in MUD and i'm in top 10 as well. So it's not like it's impossible. And to Mr.Ranked #1 who says I need to learn how to play: Quit being a chicken and accept my duel challenge, then we'll see who gets schooled. Correction: learn how to play in ancient teamers And i said it after you complained that you get too much directions about what to do (mostly from tommynt IIRC). No reason to stay with 4 axes in your capital when you have only one enemy axe nearby and enemies planted a city on grass and we plan to kill it. Also, roads on front are a first priority, ESPECIALLY when we're trying to kill enemy city. I made roads for you... Besides, you was in a situation when enemies had 4 warriors vs your 2 in capital (that's when you moved 2 warriors on copper) - it's not really safe. Also, you should have fortified 1st axe you got on a forest in front of your capital instead of warrior hunting. You had enough warriors on your own to hold remaining enemy warriors for a while but you shouldn't have allowed an enemy axe to take such a good position. But i made some mistakes as well in that teamer. I don't like duels and so i didn't play much of them. If you want duels, ask some duel players like tommynt and they'll gladly play with you. I don't find ctons fun because they're too easy (unless you're being zeged which i hate in other games as well so it's another reason not to play them when i have a high rank). Duels are more random IMHO, and they require to think about everything (i don't like to do it all the time, i prefer tactics to strategy), they require more responsibility (and i don't like responsibility, that's the primary reason why i don't like to be captain in teamers). So, i play teamers, preferably with players who can handle themselves (i don't like to be a captain and i don't like to pick players i don't know). Get 2 good captains i trust in a teamer and i'll play in it.
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