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Post by tommynt on May 30, 2006 12:36:10 GMT -5
lestat u have no clue u r just ignored - pls stay out of threads i start - i ll stay out of every thread from u - or go inot lobby and say f**kers or so like all the other lil kids
noobs keep on dying in every game i m in - again some1 with 0 units - this time in t40 or so i think time is come to stop playing - games are no more fun - they end in 80% just cause some1 is slowed and got no units - not like thery do lil mistakes or so, they r just slowed dont open eys and build no units. games take just to long to be learning games - there s no reason that 9 or 11 others waste time casue some1 is "learning" or just "not as good but ll be" or "good guys" or whatever u call em. It s not the fact that u gotta report everytime even when plaiyng really good but that it s just no fun. If u wana beat me guys do it this ccc - most of u ll maybe not get the chance again.
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Post by Bantams on May 30, 2006 12:36:31 GMT -5
there is no need to play the good guy zerza and others - people dying in t10 of a teamer ruin the fun for 11 others. and we play for fun, dont we? It was my first teamer and I did as requested by the Captain and it wasnt turn 10 but i had fun for 5 turns atleast
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Post by Lestat on May 30, 2006 12:40:02 GMT -5
NOOBS DONT PLAY TEAMERS WITH "EXPERTS " LET THEM TO KILLING EACH OTHER AND SAW POST ABOUT THAT. ALWAYS IN 90% TEMAER GAMES SOME ONE WAS KILLED IN TEAMERS...NOW NOOB ARE JUST ALIBY FOR OTHERS.
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Post by Elledge on May 30, 2006 13:02:28 GMT -5
It looks like Lestat just typed some words.
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Post by tommynt on May 30, 2006 13:40:54 GMT -5
the thing is - it s not funny anymore we even started with warrior - that means he build no single units in 35 turns ... who d start a game with 4 vs 5? same as many people d go on after a kill which didnt cost opp a single unit but gave him some worker and money - in fact thats like starting 4 vs 6
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Post by knupp on May 30, 2006 14:01:20 GMT -5
I'm going to reply to this once again explaining MY situation that started this thread in the first place.
I started off with a worker. After that build I wanted to go another worker. I thought I would be pretty safe and saw no choking units coming my way. If there was I could easily switch my build to a warrior or archer and be fine.
This game I didn't notice the two warriors and therefore didn't switch my build in time (1 turn too late actually). This was an obvious mistake on my part and I apologize to my team for screwing the game up.
Starting this thread though, calling me a noob (when you don't know me tommy) and ridiculing me in front of everyone is completely ridiculous. I'm not a noob at all. I'm pretty experienced at ren teamers, getting better at 1vs1 (practice sessions with Mr.GT), and almost always come in top 3 in CTONS. Am I trying to show off and be an eletist jerk who thinks he knows all. No, I'm just defending myself here.
As I said earlier I'm not too experienced with ancient teamers. Tommy if you saw I was still building my second worker and like you said "those warriors were in view for 4 turns" why didn't you ping me? Or since you are much more experienced in Anc you could have just recommended not going for a 2nd worker so early on.
Everyone has those ridiculous games where you die early on because of a stupid mistake. This was one of them for me. So what is the point of this thread?
There will always be noobs and there will always be better players. There will always be a player who makes a completely stupid mistake everyonce and a while. There will always be some jerk pinging you every 5 seconds, leaving signs up in your territory the whole game, and conducting your every move. There will always be the noob who doesn't listen to anything his team mates say. I don't see the purpose though of always having someone put up a thread when they lose a game, no matter how unfair that loss might have been.
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Post by eiffel on May 30, 2006 14:12:46 GMT -5
Oh, Knupp was the noob you were talking about ?? ;D He isn't noob, at least good at renaissance teamers but we all make stupid mistakes from time to time. Recently, I can remember Ironclad early dying stupidly (in my team) when in other games, he kicks everyone ass I could say to same to you, i remember several games where you died really early (in my team), which never happens when you're not in my team ;D Mmmm... actually, maybe I AM the problem
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Post by knupp on May 30, 2006 14:15:43 GMT -5
Yup Eiffel. I'm ultra noob to the 18th power.
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Post by Ellestar on May 30, 2006 15:48:13 GMT -5
noobs keep on dying in every game i m in - again some1 with 0 units - this time in t40 or so Actually, turn 34. And hey, he had a starting warrior somewhere. It's not like we saw it though ;D By the way, you got a crazy capital. Horse, Cow, Wheat, Clams, Grass hill and 3 Plain hills in a capital. And only 10 squares between our capitals and you started with warriors vs scouts... Also, you got Ghandi, Rome and 3 Agressive civs in Acient start. Random was definately on your side this time. We even didn't get many techs with our 5 scouts, we got only Iron Working and that's all.
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Post by tommynt on May 30, 2006 16:00:58 GMT -5
ya es, but a nonslowed builds a archer and cant be killed after -
and knupp pls dont do like, hey tommy why dont u ping every unit u see on map .. i heard too often pls let me play my game or other bs - i pinged em once when it was eraly enough and a 2nd time when it was proly too late (staying at size 1 that long is just a mistake that shows that u a are noob totally independent from situation) I often pick 1 guy in team whom i try to help - i stoped doing more then that as i love micro everything i do and then there s no time left to check others all time and knupp dont worry u r just 1 out of so many and maybe u just had a bad day - but it just get anoing over time when there s allways 1 guy with a bad day in game (it s nearly same anoying when some1 on other team dies easy) - oh well i said it sometimes allready and ll do it a last time - it s just bad game design that there s kinda no way to come back from a teammate loss.
And the point of the thread is to tell people to stay allive when they join a teamer - no1 wants u to kill 2 guys from other team - just stay allive and help team as good as u can (I d never advice a noob to build stonhenge even if he was gandhi in back)
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Post by Ellestar on May 30, 2006 16:06:14 GMT -5
ya es, but a nonslowed builds a archer and cant be killed after - Well, Ghandi was 12 squares away from me. If he made units instead of both Stonehenge and Oracle i think i didn't have a chance. By the way, you had Quechuas to counter archers.
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Post by tommynt on May 30, 2006 16:12:36 GMT -5
ques do nuts to archer in wood and in city and axe and spears were on way to help u.. as said some1 who tries ll very unusually die fast -as archers in ciites are so hard to beat. and our india had no res in cap - so building oracle and henge backed up by me going military was a good idea imo
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Post by Ellestar on May 30, 2006 16:18:51 GMT -5
ques do nuts to archer in wood and in city and axe and spears were on way to help u.. as said some1 who tries ll very unusually die fast -as archers in ciites are so hard to beat. and our india had no res in cap - so building oracle and henge backed up by me going military was a good idea imo No, quecha has 2.2 Str (combat 1) vs archer's str 2 (+50% forest -100% quecha vs archers so 3/(1-(1-0.5))=2). Even with archer's first strikes, you still have more than 50% chance vs archer in forest with quecha.
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Post by Avogadro on May 30, 2006 16:49:12 GMT -5
In theory yes but I also have foudn Quechas to be ineffective against archers who hold defensive bonus positions (Forest, hills, cities.)
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Post by knupp on May 30, 2006 17:29:06 GMT -5
and knupp pls dont do like, hey tommy why dont u ping every unit u see on map .. i heard too often pls let me play my game or other bs - i pinged em once when it was eraly enough and a 2nd time when it was proly too late (staying at size 1 that long is just a mistake that shows that u a are noob totally independent from situation) I often pick 1 guy in team whom i try to help - i stoped doing more then that as i love micro everything i do and then there s no time left to check others all time and knupp dont worry u r just 1 out of so many and maybe u just had a bad day - but it just get anoing over time when there s allways 1 guy with a bad day in game (it s nearly same anoying when some1 on other team dies easy) - oh well i said it sometimes allready and ll do it a last time - it s just bad game design that there s kinda no way to come back from a teammate loss. And the point of the thread is to tell people to stay allive when they join a teamer - no1 wants u to kill 2 guys from other team - just stay allive and help team as good as u can (I d never advice a noob to build stonhenge even if he was gandhi in back) I never asked you to ping every unit on the map. I didn't ask you to ping me ever. It can really get annoying when somebody does do that every minute. But when a person is in a situation where they will die and your team will lose it's best to ping them. Like me, they might have not even noticed it. Microing everybody on the map is one thing, and helping out your team is another. I truthfully don't believe you saw those warriors four turns before because you obviously can't stand losing and anybody would ping something that could cause a loss. Staying at size 1 that long was a mistake. I never said it was the right decision. What I did say was that I figured I could switch in time to save myself in case of a rush. I also said I'm not extremely experienced in Anc games like yourself. Two workers early on would help out A LOT and I would have probably grown up to the same pop as a teammate who only went one worker and grew because I would have more things improved. Either way I shouldn't have tried to do this since I wasn't in the back. I'm sorry if you are sick of noobs in teamers. There will always be one. The best you can do is try to teach them what to do and put up with there mistakes. I learned a lot from experience but I think I learned just as much from helpful teammates. I hope your bad luck with dying noobs ends sometime soon. A thread each week about the same topic though probably won't solve your problem.
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Post by MMV on May 30, 2006 21:36:26 GMT -5
Knupp - don't take it personally.
They are only sick of noobs if they loose (for any reason) and it lowers their rank.
Had you done something to help them win, they wouldn't even acknowledge it here in the forums, lol.
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Post by deyreepher on May 30, 2006 23:00:18 GMT -5
I believe the forums are the wrong place to complain about other players in this situation. First off, the inexperienced player did not harass the original poster in question, do anything against the ladder rules, or warrant anything that bringing the issue up in these forums. I don't believe being negative on the whole topic of the quality of players on the ladder will remedy the situation. Basically, if you turn your neck left or right, you can just talk to the wall, because in essence, it's all you're really doing.
I want to see a MUD camp.
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Post by Ellestar on May 31, 2006 1:20:33 GMT -5
In theory yes but I also have foudn Quechas to be ineffective against archers who hold defensive bonus positions (Forest, hills, cities.) If they're fortified then maybe you'll have a lower than 50% chance to win. But they cost significantly less. And if you choke enemy he has lower production than you most of the time.
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Post by Ellestar on May 31, 2006 1:24:41 GMT -5
Two workers early on would help out A LOT and I would have probably grown up to the same pop as a teammate who only went one worker and grew because I would have more things improved. Either way I shouldn't have tried to do this since I wasn't in the back. No, with one worker you can improve land with about the same speed your city grows so you use improved squares most of the time (in Ancient start). With 2 workers in a row in size 1 city you'll improve more squares but you'll not be able to work them anyway. As a result, you'll SIGNIFICANTLY lose in production. Not to mention that you'll die if you're front. And if you're in the back, it's not a bad idea to make some wonders etc.
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Post by zerza on May 31, 2006 1:45:21 GMT -5
Well, the few teamers I played in had so much ego and smack talk that I found myself under par, regardless of my abilities. I would never play in another teamer again. I want to hear bitching non stop I'll go prod the wifey.
It only takes one game to identify a players abilities, to bitch about it makes me feel like I'm dealin with the damn wife.
This game gives quite enough to bitch about. It dont work, the makers dont give a nuts, admins ban anyone that comments on it. And here we are, crying cuz a noob played a teamer..
Lets bitch about what matters, no admins play civ and its broken as hell, while the admins tell firaxis it works fine.. (or one in particularm and FP hasn't played ladder games in months and months) Wanna fix multiplayer, bitch about what matters.
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