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Post by everybodysdarling on Apr 2, 2007 1:39:04 GMT -5
dd, you candidate for an admin? - hell, i vote for the other guy!!!
but in 1 thing youre right. you need to win at least 1 game to score any points in an ccc event. otherwise nada & good bye.
-EBD
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Post by longhorn on Apr 2, 2007 12:02:37 GMT -5
All the players...(ie, players who actually have attempted to improve at the game, unlike you) know exactly how you like to play. I believe a quote/paraphrase from you is: "I don't like to build workers, it feels like wasting production. I'll just take hand-me-downs when my teammates are finished working their land." As for me, I'd rather not wait for two teams with bad pings to each other to play a points race for 150 turns, when the same points race could have finished in 90 turns. How much actually changes in those last 60 turns? The more units that get built, the more the game lags, and the more other teams must wait. In a 16-team tournament, where the winner must play 4 games, we don't have time for 4 hour games. No event should take 16 hours except for the Ironman. This is why the 5-5 event was scrapped after a single CCC and very few have asked for it back since. Honestly, I have had a hard time taking your suggestions and comments seriously since the worker comment above. Well Speaker, congratulations on making the self-fulfilling prophecy come true. You want to make everything about me vs RaY, so be it. As I am sure you don't consider the above a personal attack- because we all know you and RaY's (manure) don't stink. Lets talk about RaY. First, before you and your attack dogs start crying out the gates that 'You have now lost all respect for me or anyone else'- Realize you have to HAVE RESPECT before you can lose it. Every single person on this ladder knows RaY doesn't respect anyone or anything except themselves. RaY's contributions to ladder. You have probably done more to drive people away from ladder than any other group out there. You are the most ELITIST loudmouthed whining bad sport spineless rude obnoxious unfriendly uncompromising and disingenuous group on the ladder who make everything about yourselves. You knowingly have players with multiple ladder accounts, and choose to do nothing about it but lie and cover it up. Almost every game you host or play in is ELITIST (ie always RaY VS) and have resorted to having to play yourselves now because no one else is good enough to play you. I think its hysterical that RaY leader posts how the CCC should now be ELITIST too. That was such a 'nice' touch including the 'cons' and how 'unsure' you are of your proposal. Hey- maybe we could change it to the ECC (Elitist Clan Championship) or the RCC (RaY Clan championship) since I am sure no other clan or player is 'worthy' of participation. You claim your (slave fest) stack games are so innovative, yet you are the first to attack, berate, etc., ANYONE who posts anything contra to your ideas or proposes something new or different. Then you go on to complain how too many units exist on the map and that it slows everything down. No map is small enough, no game is short enough, and no opponent good enough. Then you go on to repeatedly shape or invent every new and/ or existing event to your EXACT specifications and refuse to compromise even one iota on any detail whatsoever- no matter what any other person on this ladder thinks. EX: You don't like OCC (translated to you don't win the event every time) therefore its BORING and requires no SKILL and is over-represented and should be eliminated. In fact, with your way of doing things- you should win each and every CCC and should consider it a HUGE disappointment if you do not run away with each of them. MDR are former CCC champs, MUD are former CCC champs, GOD are former CCC Champs. RaY can only hope to aspire to this level. Congrats CCC Thugs! You should be ever so proud!
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Post by TheClash on Apr 2, 2007 12:30:10 GMT -5
wow Longhorn, couldnt have done it better
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Post by MookieNJ on Apr 2, 2007 13:19:32 GMT -5
Almost every game you host or play in is ELITIST (ie always RaY VS) and have resorted to having to play yourselves now because no one else is good enough to play you. What's wrong with wanting to play together as a clan? I've seen MDR vs. games, MUD vs. games, GOD vs. games, MoJo vs. games, ..A.. vs. games, etc. And what's wrong with wanting to practice by playing against ourselves? MDR does it all the time, and with all that practice and experience they won two CCCs. Seemed like a pretty good idea to us. I don't like to play open teamers any more. If you want to call me "ELITIST" because of that, I really don't care. I get no fun out of watching someone who has no clue how to play Civ die in 10 turns, whether he is on my team or the other team I could really care less. Playing a few turns of a game, receiving free reports I did nothing to earn, or giving out free reports I did nothing to lose isn't my idea of fun, sorry. I host plenty of Ctons without passwords where the only requirements are that you're on the ladder and you're not US_Patriot. Does this make me "ELITIST?" Wow, it was just an idea. Honestly, how much fun can it be for a clan like KC to show up, get run over by the MUDs and GODs of the world, be one and done in every event and score zero points? Never getting to play on Sunday. I have no idea if it's the way to fix a lot of the problems that the CCC faces, but I figured it was worth throwing out there to see what people thought. And now you're going to attack me for it? Ok! The fact that you are stating that we are the clan with the "(slave fest) stack games" truly shows your ignorance. There are other clans far more guilty than us of this tactic, and we were most definitely not the group that "innovated" this strategy. The only thing we are guilty of here is integrating this idea into our own strategies to come up with something we feel is better. Whatever dude, get a clue before you run your mouth about "slave fest" games. I don't farm my flood plains ... I know who does, but I'm a bigger man who doesn't need to run around pointing fingers. I don't like OCC because, if all players are relatively equal in skill, it will come down to who has the best land. I prefer a game type where there is some sort of strategy involved to overcome any circumstance. I don't like being in a no-win situation. Trust me, I have played in a decent number of OCCs, it's not like I'm just attacking them without ever trying them. You want to keep talking crap? Exactly how many CCCs have you won? If I recall correctly, you did a great job leading TX to nearly winning the CCC then quit the clan and it fell apart. You should be ever so proud! wow Longhorn, couldnt have done it better Who are you? One of those "multiple accounts" or "pseudonyms" Longhorn claims that are always in RaY?
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Post by churchill1 on Apr 2, 2007 13:26:04 GMT -5
Who are you? One of those "multiple accounts" or "pseudonyms" Longhorn claims that are always in RaY? The thing is Mook, members of your clan have had pseudonym accounts, why don't you admit that. You're like some politician who refuses to admit the sky is blue. And if you do decide to admit this, why didn't/don't you do anything about it? Also, in the ancient final me and my team got the most apalling abuse in chat. I was called a 'f**king f*g**t' for dropping. And my teammate got called a 'noob' in chat. Ironically, its the same person who is guilty on both counts, why do you and your clan defend this? Why would you even want to play with someone who acts like this, no matter how good a player he is? When this nuts goes on, it reminds me exactly why I had a couple months hiatus from civ. Civ is an incredibly good game, but its spoilt by a few people.
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Post by Lestat on Apr 2, 2007 13:35:17 GMT -5
Ray clan members need real woumans. They take this game to serious. Ask Mookie about hes right hand if u dont trust me. Hes used that hand when he waiting bettwen ironman and indu 3v3 event's very hard and long. Ray's please dont hestitate to contact me about managing some woumans for Ray's boy's.
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Post by churchill1 on Apr 2, 2007 13:38:03 GMT -5
Ramble ramble.........They take this game to serious........ramble ramble Yep, there is some truth in this.
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Post by Speaker on Apr 2, 2007 13:45:03 GMT -5
Ask Mookie about hes right hand if u dont trust me. I think Mookie is a southpaw actually...
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Post by cryptococcus on Apr 2, 2007 14:01:21 GMT -5
Ask Mookie about hes right hand if u dont trust me. I think Mookie is a southpaw actually... Caesar changed his name to southpaw?
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Post by metallian on Apr 2, 2007 14:34:18 GMT -5
Who are you? One of those "multiple accounts" or "pseudonyms" Longhorn claims that are always in RaY? The thing is Mook, members of your clan have had pseudonym accounts, why don't you admit that. You're like some politician who refuses to admit the sky is blue. And if you do decide to admit this, why didn't/don't you do anything about it? Also, in the ancient final me and my team got the most apalling abuse in chat. I was called a 'f**king f*g**t' for dropping. And my teammate got called a 'noob' in chat. Ironically, its the same person who is guilty on both counts, why do you and your clan defend this? Why would you even want to play with someone who acts like this, no matter how good a player he is? First of all this is all directed at me for some reason. Also, I didn't call you a f*g or anything derogatory. I just said get the guy out of the game because you had dropped 3 times because of your nutsty connection and key spamming, one of which caused me to mismove some units at a crucial time. Also, the reason why I called your team noobs because they are. I can only remember losing one game to GOD in the CCC. Your just jealous Church that Mookie and I have figured out how to stop your noob slave catapult strategy. Also, for you guys to lose that ANC final you have to be noob. Your team had 6 golds and 5 ivories while we had 1 ivory.
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Post by churchill1 on Apr 2, 2007 14:41:37 GMT -5
I can read metallian and you did call me that. You're just plain lying.
EDIT: I've actually been told you were bad mouthing me a lot more whilst I was re connecting. Metallian its really pathetic, you act like a spoilt toddler.
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Post by churchill1 on Apr 2, 2007 14:43:35 GMT -5
First of all this is all directed at me for some reason. Basically, because you don't have any sense of sportsmanship. Well in fact its not. It annoys me just as much (if not more) that the people in your clan who usually do show sportsmanship in games, decide to defend and even allow that sort of attitude in their clan. I just said get the guy out of the game because you had dropped 3 times because of your nutsty connection and key spamming, one of which caused me to mismove some units at a crucial time. Sorry if it caused you to mismove. This was on the second drop and on the third I didnt return I got a sub immediately because I recognised my connection was spoiling the flow of the game. When I dropped and immediately returned the game was paused for Phlea. The game was unpaused very suddenly, allowing you to complete a very quick maneuver on my archer, axeman and spear. It was impossible for me to react to that. Seemed fishy, but I don't want to take that any further. Also, the reason why I called your team noobs because they are. I think anyone with one iota of decency will see that this sort of attitude is sick. I can only remember losing one game to GOD in the CCC. I can remember at least two. But meh, you're a good player and I respect that fact. I'm not here to argue it. Your just jealous Church that Mookie and I have figured out how to stop your noob slave catapult strategy. Also, for you guys to lose that ANC final you have to be noob. Your team had 6 golds and 5 ivories while we had 1 ivory. Once again this is a pretty poor attitude. But yep there is no way we should have lost that. We kept mixing up teams throughout that event. Personally I've hardly been playing at all lately. Also I think we as a clan recognise we could and should be a lot more organised and we hoped to address that in order to fully achieve our potential. But FFS don't make this into a whine about who's the better clan, that achieves nothing whatsoever. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mmm I'd also like to add, I think its a real shame that people don't realise a game of civ can be fun and played in a good spirit and yet be very competitive at the same time. For me those are the most enjoyable games, but they are oh so rare .
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Post by NumberOneMercury on Apr 2, 2007 15:24:07 GMT -5
Metallian, you are a disgrace. You (1) completely missed the point of Church's post, (2) lied about calling Church what you did, (3) are being a complete prick to one of your former clanmates and (4) played the worst out of everyone in that game.
I simply hope that your clanmates realize that while you're their buddy now, they could be getting called a "f u c k i n g f a g g o t" by you next CCC.
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Post by themightyboosh on Apr 2, 2007 15:27:07 GMT -5
You said that and plenty more while he wasnt there to respond.
I think the ladder community understands that metallian is an unpleasant, arrogant, self-absorbed prick. So i wont comment further.
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Post by metallian on Apr 2, 2007 15:35:33 GMT -5
Metallian, you are a disgrace. You (1) completely missed the point of Church's post, (2) lied about calling Church what you did, (3) are being a complete prick to one of your former clanmates and (4) played the worst out of everyone in that game. I simply hope that your clanmates realize that while you're their buddy now, they could be getting called a "f u c k i n g f a g g o t" by you next CCC. I played the worst in that game?? Well at least I had barracks in my cities unlike your entire team. I managed to still get the stonehedge out while get choked, managed stop your noob attack on me, and orchestrated the attack that KO'd Boosh. But I guess I played the worse. I think you really should take a look at the save before you talk crap because you played the worse Zulu I have ever seen. You had two cities with no GNP or MFG.
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Post by churchill1 on Apr 2, 2007 15:38:03 GMT -5
Barracks are for noobs.
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Post by axius on Apr 2, 2007 16:02:49 GMT -5
(hope this doesn't get lost among the bickering)
A suggestion for rule changes: BAN CULTURE BOMB.
It's been long known as a nuisance that has nothing to do with reality ("Your land is now mine because I painted a picture!"). And the newly-added modern event turned it into a pinnacle of absurdity with this tactic (all done in the same turn): chain-build a railroad to the edge of enemy territory, found a city, explode a culture bomb, chain-build railroads in the newly-acquired territory, attack enemy cities that got caught in it. This is just a variation of Commando which is banned.
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Post by churchill1 on Apr 2, 2007 16:10:18 GMT -5
(hope this doesn't get lost among the bickering) A suggestion for rule changes: BAN CULTURE BOMB. It's been long known as a nuisance that has nothing to do with reality ("Your land is now mine because I painted a picture!"). ;D That's hilarious - I'd never considered that before. Yep and sorry for the bickering taking the thread way off topic, I'm as guilty as anyone .
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Post by MookieNJ on Apr 2, 2007 16:14:09 GMT -5
And the newly-added modern event turned it into a pinnacle of absurdity with this tactic (all done in the same turn): chain-build a railroad to the edge of enemy territory, found a city, explode a culture bomb, chain-build railroads in the newly-acquired territory, attack enemy cities that got caught in it. This is just a variation of Commando which is banned. I 100% agree with you about the Modern event. I actually forgot to include this rules variation when I made my original suggestion for this event, as we figured this one out rather quickly. Culture bombs with Tanks on a wide open map like TBG are pretty hard to deal with! No Nukes, No Commandos, No Germany ... and No Culture Bombs is what I meant to say . Still, I played a lot of Modern practice the last few weeks helping to get our team ready for the event and I really enjoyed these settings. I hope everyone who played in the Modern event who was worried about not having water on the map saw that the settings used can be really fun!
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Post by Gogf on Apr 2, 2007 16:19:12 GMT -5
First, before you and your attack dogs start crying out the gates that 'You have now lost all respect for me or anyone else'- Realize you have to HAVE RESPECT before you can lose it. Every single person on this ladder knows RaY doesn't respect anyone or anything except themselves. Longhorn, I take offense to your vast and baseless generalizations. When have I ever shown you that I don't respect anyone or anything other than other RaY members? Longhorn, I always thought that you were a nice guy. Your completely ridiculous list of insults adds nothing to the conversation, has no base, and does nothing except make you look like a jerk. Please, try to post something constructive. If there are players with multiple accounts, and if you know about them (which you must, in order to tell us), why aren't you, as an admin, doing something about it? How is a RaY vs. game "elitist"? Everyone on the ladder is invited to play a RaY vs. game unless we're specifically playing against a different clan, which is a far cry from the "normal" passworded games we all used to play in. In-house CCC training games are now classified as elitist? Yes, people deserve to be berated if they point out the point out the potential problems with their proposal . Could you provide an example of this, or is it just rhetoric? I can't believe you're surprised that we were pushing for the settings we wanted. We weren't "unwilling to compromise," we were trying to convince you to try a new setting that we had previously played and enjoyed. OCC CTONs are dictated almost entirely by land. In a normal CTON, you can kill someone and take their land if yours is bad. This is not an option in an OCC, where the player with the best land has an insurmountable advantage. The OCC teamer, where you can kill a player to put yourself in first place, is a perfectly acceptable event. Longhorn, a lot of people make convincing, well-reasoned posts on this forum. This baseless personal attack on a clan, many of whose members have no quarrel with you, is not one of them. If you think our idea is bad, explain why (hint: saying that you don't like us is not a good argument against our proposal). If you don't have something constructive to say, I would advise you to stay quiet and avoid alienating previously friendly people.
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