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Post by SirPartyMan on Feb 21, 2007 22:01:40 GMT -5
Dear Friends:
There was discussion leading up to the last CCC that we should have a new and different event. The CCC is about tradition - and we have a well balanced event, but there's always room for improvement.
So, please, for the next week, throw out ideas. Describe your event, and please include:
a) Map/Mod type and size b) # players on each team c) Era d) # Turns e) any special rules or restrictions
We'll sort them out and turn it into a poll for another week, and the top vote getter will become a new CCC Event.
Best, SPM
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Post by MookieNJ on Feb 21, 2007 23:58:55 GMT -5
A) Standard TBG, Low Sea, Cylindrical Wrap On B) 3v3 C) Modern Era D) 65 Turns, Medium Timer E) No Germany, No Nukes, No Commandos
Don't knock it until you try it, this is a really fun game type actually. Modern is the only era currently absent from the CCC and it makes for an enjoyable game type. The special rules eliminate the cheesy aspects this game type can have -- Panzers defending cities are impossible to kill with Tanks, Nukes make the game a race to ICBMs, and Commandos on Railroads on TBG are ridiculously overpowered.
Honestly, I don't know that there's room for a "new" event with all of the 16 hour events overlapping as it is. Personally I think there is no place for the OCC Semi-Cton in the CCC. In all of the teamers, including the OCC teamer, you have two basic strategies -- out point or kill. In the OCC Semi-Cton, you can hardly expect to kill everyone if your land is subpar, and the only benefit of killing someone is to eliminate them from the game. You can't kill them and expand into their land like you can in a Cton or the Ironman (which would be a logical course of action if your land is sub-par in one of those events).
Therefore, I suggest that this "new" event be played on Saturday evening at 5pm EST in place of the OCC Semi-Cton. Keep the OCC Teamer in place, it's a good event!
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Post by cryptococcus on Feb 22, 2007 4:12:20 GMT -5
I always liked modern but mostly have played it on Hub. I personally like the nukes and boating, but I played it on TBG once and it was ok. I agree with the time factor (maybe not on TBG though) so maybe move modern and indus to Sunday so there are not as many teams.
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Post by moineau on Feb 22, 2007 4:40:37 GMT -5
A) Standard hub, normal Sea, flat map B) 3v3 C) Modern Era D) 60 Turns, Medium Timer E)No nuke
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Post by balmung on Feb 22, 2007 5:15:54 GMT -5
yup mookie i recognized your not playing OCC so often And last CCC you had a guest playing for RAY in #8. And we should skip this event ? OCC is still very popular in lobby The last COT was an OCC and i think it was the COT with most teams Actually only 2 out of 12 events are OCC, one single event and one teamer. And we got right now anc-class-medi-ren-ind-future teamer up. Yep seems another teamer is a must have Which other events should be changed for the comback of RAY as #1 in next CCC ? As metallian said : " As it stands RaY still has the best 3v3 team no doubt....... "And did you recognize that those events like single OCC are the events where new clans and clans not overloaded with STARPLAYERS have a chance to get some points. Think not, better another teamer on TBG. And if you want to judge about OCC indu pls come in lobby and play, especially this era is full of kills ;D To ironclad: sorry that you lost you sunday final place cause of # 8, when INTER and KC overtook you by points. But also to you, i think we should keep that event ;D
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Post by balmung on Feb 22, 2007 5:18:58 GMT -5
I always liked modern but mostly have played it on Hub. I personally like the nukes and boating, but I played it on TBG once and it was ok. I agree with the time factor (maybe not on TBG though) so maybe move modern and indus to Sunday so there are not as many teams. I agree with crypto, would be funny. Or think of replacing future or shuffel by modern Guess no need to ban Germany. Gunships love panzers ;D
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Post by Gogf on Feb 22, 2007 7:43:21 GMT -5
A) Standard TBG, Low Sea, Cylindrical Wrap On B) 3v3 C) Modern Era D) 65 Turns, Medium Timer E) No Germany, No Nukes, No Commandos I think we should put this on Saturday night. It's nice to end the CCC with two small events, and I doubt that the industrial is going to take 18 hours again next CCC. Putting this at 5pm when the OCC CTON used to be sounds like the best timing to me . The problem with an OCC CTON is that it is almost entirely determined by land. There's just nothing you can do if you get screwed on land. Let's keep the Sunday renaissance OCC teamer, but replace the OCC CTON with a modern teamer.
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Post by balmung on Feb 22, 2007 7:53:46 GMT -5
ah another RAY who didnt play # 8 ;D
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Post by Gogf on Feb 22, 2007 8:29:19 GMT -5
ah another RAY who didnt play # 8 ;D That's such an absurd comment. "You didn't play in this event, so you can't say that you don't like it." First of all, it's only possible for one RaY member to play in that event, and I don't think he posts at this forum. Second, do you not think it's possible that Mookie and I didn't play in the event because we don't think it's an interesting and balanced game? Third, how does whether or not we played in the game have anything to do with whether or not we can form a rational and informed opinion about it? I've played that type of game before. I know how it works. You have not given any reason as to why we should keep the OCC CTON yet, other than "we only have one other OCC." Doing that is probably going to help your case more than complaining about the fact that only one member of RaY played in that event.
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Post by Bantams on Feb 22, 2007 8:33:23 GMT -5
Ban Spies till the Bugs Fixed Oh and what about making the Ironman OCC type event ;D Scrap Random Random only the French Players are Good at that 1 city elim Crap and make random random Into another CTON for sunday perhaps a Future CTON what Ever you do dont scrap events 8 or 12 ;D
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Post by Gogf on Feb 22, 2007 8:37:56 GMT -5
Scrap Random Random only the French Players are Good at that 1 city elim Crap Umm, that's completely wrong ;D. Future CTON? That sounds horrible. The random/random is a great tradition to test the mettle of a team in all eras and map types. There's no reason to get rid of it.
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Post by willburn on Feb 22, 2007 8:39:57 GMT -5
A modern game would be great. Imho one ooc is enough..heck it lies in the name
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Post by Speaker on Feb 22, 2007 8:59:20 GMT -5
Ban Spies till the Bugs Fixed Oh and what about making the Ironman OCC type event ;D Scrap Random Random only the French Players are Good at that 1 city elim Crap and make random random Into another CTON for sunday perhaps a Future CTON what Ever you do dont scrap events 8 or 12 ;D You should have stopped with "Ban spies till the bugs fixed." If you don't have anything constructive to post in a serious thread, why not just keep your mouth shut?
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Post by balmung on Feb 22, 2007 9:09:26 GMT -5
ah another RAY who didnt play # 8 ;D That's such an absurd comment. "You didn't play in this event, so you can't say that you don't like it." First of all, it's only possible for one RaY member to play in that event, and I don't think he posts at this forum. Second, do you not think it's possible that Mookie and I didn't play in the event because we don't think it's an interesting and balanced game? Third, how does whether or not we played in the game have anything to do with whether or not we can form a rational and informed opinion about it? I've played that type of game before. I know how it works. You have not given any reason as to why we should keep the OCC CTON yet, other than "we only have one other OCC." Doing that is probably going to help your case more than complaining about the fact that only one member of RaY played in that event. For sure this RAY member cant post in that forum cause he is no RAY member he was guest player ;D That means no RAY member played # 8 And if you like arguments for # 8 scroll that threat back and read
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Post by Bantams on Feb 22, 2007 9:13:24 GMT -5
Ban Spies till the Bugs Fixed Oh and what about making the Ironman OCC type event ;D Scrap Random Random only the French Players are Good at that 1 city elim Crap and make random random Into another CTON for sunday perhaps a Future CTON what Ever you do dont scrap events 8 or 12 ;D You should have stopped with "Ban spies till the bugs fixed." If you don't have anything constructive to post in a serious thread, why not just keep your mouth shut? Its Goes Both ways Speaker
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Post by MookieNJ on Feb 22, 2007 9:31:56 GMT -5
Who cares who played the OCC for RaY this time around? It doesn't change the fact that there's not a heck of a lot you can do if in an OCC Semi-Cton if your land is crap.
In a Cton if your land is sub-par you can kill your neighbor and expand all over the map.
In a teamer (OCC or regular) you can kill the other team and end the game.
In an OCC, you can kill maybe one or two players if your land sucks. Beyond that you are screwed. And what exactly is the benefit of killing someone? You can't expand into their land, all you're doing is eliminating them from the game. So if you're in a 7 player OCC Semi-Cton where the top 4 score and your land is horrible, you can kill 2 people and finish 5th. Sorry, but this is not Civ.
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Post by balmung on Feb 22, 2007 9:41:04 GMT -5
" Sorry, but this is not Civ."Sorry mookie, thats why you dont play it maybe. But i m realy glad thats not up to you to decide what is civ.
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Post by Gogf on Feb 22, 2007 10:31:27 GMT -5
And if you like arguments for # 8 scroll that threat back and read I did read them. Your only arugments were "we don't have any OCC games" and "clans without star (meaning 'skillful') players can score points in them." The CCC is about clans competing with eachother to see who can do the best. It is not about getting free points from your land. I, for one, do not think we should be adding more OCC games just because we don't have enough games that are not decided by skill. OCC CTONs are not civ, they are a lottery.
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Post by cryptococcus on Feb 22, 2007 10:49:36 GMT -5
Isn't a decent percentage of civ a lottery?
So what about modern can we add this or not?
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Post by Lestat on Feb 22, 2007 10:53:37 GMT -5
And if you like arguments for # 8 scroll that threat back and read I did read them. Your only arugments were "we don't have any OCC games" and "clans without star (meaning 'skillful') players can score points in them." The CCC is about clans competing with eachother to see who can do the best. It is not about getting free points from your land. I, for one, do not think we should be adding more OCC games just because we don't have enough games that are not decided by skill. OCC CTONs are not civ, they are a lottery. For me reny 3v3 is not civ. U guys suck in OCC now u bashing on OCC. I dont play reny teamers but i dont bashing on that game type. If u like it play it, if not dont. Tony thought that OCC is crap but he was killed (rumors) in OCC and now he dont posting about OCC anymore.
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