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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Nov 18, 2005 20:23:10 GMT -5
I'm done with reading this thread. If I reset, people will lob the "You were afraid to defend it, you aren't really that good" crap. If I don't reset and play all the time, I lose a girlfriend and friends - something the folks who play all the time apparently don't value; I do. I I don't reset and play when I want to, I'm "dodging opponents." 11 games in a week is more than acceptable, and that's my average pace. Those eleven games this week included title defenses, epics, a teamer, and a FFA. That fulfills every rule very easily and then some. If you don't care for it, submit a petition to the head admin. Otherwise, get over yourself. Yes, the people in the top 10 aren't insane maniacs who play 90 hours a week. That doesn't mean they don't have a right to their positions. "I'm in the top 10 because I play too much" will dominate the ladder again soon enough. You'll just have to be patient until then. Some people have serious cojones, trying to tell folks that they don't spend enough time playing a game.I'd like to point out that the one player who has the most legitimate beef - the other one with a really stellar record and is very, very good - Unimatrix Zero - who has been getting the crap beat out of him by "ladder leapfrog," isn't complaining in this thread at all. If he's not complaining, you certainly have no place to do so.
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Post by yilar on Nov 19, 2005 9:12:31 GMT -5
Yes, the people in the top 10 aren't insane maniacs who play 90 hours a week. That doesn't mean they don't have a right to their positions. "I'm in the top 10 because I play too much" will dominate the ladder again soon enough. You'll just have to be patient until then. I'd like to point out that the one player who has the most legitimate beef - the other one with a really stellar record and is very, very good - Unimatrix Zero - who has been getting the crap beat out of him by "ladder leapfrog," isn't complaining in this thread at all. If he's not complaining, you certainly have no place to do so. So the "I'm top10 because i am a betatester" or "I've beaten one of the betatesters to get into the top10" is better than the "I'm top10 cause i play a lot" Could it be that uni doesnt really care about rank?.... I could personally care less. I have no wish to be in the top10, but i understand people who would like the top10 be something more than the joke it is now...
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Post by Random on Nov 19, 2005 9:44:46 GMT -5
Man I can hardly wait til first CCC so there will be something new to cry about. And for alls information, I reset my stats due to quitting in my last game on the ladder, not for any other reason. In my opinion the game is slow as it is and when so many spend all 40 seconds from turn 1 to complete the moves I find it very unsportmanlike. And if this continues to be the trend I will cease all play. With 40 seconds I can move and micro manage, and second guess each decision 10 times.. And still wait 10 to 20 seconds. I think there needs to be a faster timer lest say 20 to 30 seconds. Playing at such a slow pace should be reserved for those in the resource room. This is something that should be cried about, not who has rank. Wins and losses are 2 sides of the same coin, and either toss you should learn something. And with all the crying I see here have only seen you culprits in the lobby a few times and played them a time or 2. If you are going to make such statements like ones I have seen try spending half the amount of time in the lobby as some of us "Beta Testers" and you may find more top 10 players to Rank hunt as that seems to be what your game is all about. Me well I play because I like the game, and win or lose I try to enjoy it either way. But this deliberate time wasting for all players is not acceptable. In first 20 turns you have 1 city maybe 2 and 3 to 5 troops to move. There is no need to waste 40 seconds (blazing) on each turn. You do not gain any advantage moving later in a turn than you do at the start of the turn. All ladders should have the stack attack option checked and both the fast attack and the fast defend checked as well. And if you only purpose is to waste time start reading or meditate.
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Post by tonia on Nov 19, 2005 11:15:29 GMT -5
I could care less about rank. I don't desire to spend every waking minute of free time I have chasing it and having it. I don't desire to have people nagging me to play if I do have top rank. Most importantly, I don't need to have a high rank to know how good of a player I am or others are.
I remember when Dennis was #1. He played every night just about. God forbid if I wanted to play a ladder game at that time. I would get all kinds of pm's from people asking me if he was going to play. God forbid if we wanted to go away for the weekend together as a family as people were complaining that he didn't spend the weekend defending his title.
You need to have some balance here. I understand it's nice to see movement in the top 10 but at the same time you can't expect a person to play non-stop and hound them to death either when they don't.
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Post by Random on Nov 19, 2005 11:17:44 GMT -5
Well said..
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Post by Lestat on Nov 19, 2005 11:39:05 GMT -5
Man I can hardly wait til first CCC so there will be something new to cry about. And for alls information, I reset my stats due to quitting in my last game on the ladder, not for any other reason. In my opinion the game is slow as it is and when so many spend all 40 seconds from turn 1 to complete the moves I find it very unsportmanlike. And if this continues to be the trend I will cease all play. With 40 seconds I can move and micro manage, and second guess each decision 10 times.. And still wait 10 to 20 seconds. I think there needs to be a faster timer lest say 20 to 30 seconds. Playing at such a slow pace should be reserved for those in the resource room. This is something that should be cried about, not who has rank. Wins and losses are 2 sides of the same coin, and either toss you should learn something. And with all the crying I see here have only seen you culprits in the lobby a few times and played them a time or 2. If you are going to make such statements like ones I have seen try spending half the amount of time in the lobby as some of us "Beta Testers" and you may find more top 10 players to Rank hunt as that seems to be what your game is all about. Me well I play because I like the game, and win or lose I try to enjoy it either way. But this deliberate time wasting for all players is not acceptable. In first 20 turns you have 1 city maybe 2 and 3 to 5 troops to move. There is no need to waste 40 seconds (blazing) on each turn. You do not gain any advantage moving later in a turn than you do at the start of the turn. All ladders should have the stack attack option checked and both the fast attack and the fast defend checked as well. And if you only purpose is to waste time start reading or meditate. Dear Random I was in that game. I smelled that ur nervous in staging room, then we have reload etc... 40 sec I toke 2 cites far away , barbarians atacked me from all sides. Must kiling barbarians ,must build, tech etc... ( i had 10 town in that momemnt) was hard in 40 second. But when i atacked barbarian batlle length was 10 second and i had 2 battles per turn against barb. Chill out bud. Why i have to many towns?? BC U PUT THAT STUPID SETTING DNT RAZE CITE. Then i got population revolt... less of money bc i had to mayn towns...and u crying faster faster Tthen i decide to move troups against u ....
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Post by yilar on Nov 19, 2005 11:41:56 GMT -5
You need to have some balance here. I understand it's nice to see movement in the top 10 but at the same time you can't expect a person to play non-stop and hound them to death either when they don't. This is true. There needs to be some balance, but atm its tipped in the wrong direction... the top7 (top8 till someone withdrew) ladders havent moved at all for almost a week (if not more). Noone expects you to play everyday, but it is expected that not all top10 become semi-inactive, playing maybe 2 games a week. If 80% of the top10 dont take on challenges from the top20. The rank becomes a joke. You will never be able to get to the #1. Unless you can beat one of the top3, 3 times in a row.
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Post by whois on Nov 19, 2005 12:58:19 GMT -5
I personally don't care about rank which is why I play everyone and anyone. Cases has had this rank problem in every game since it was created 10 years ago. When I played it in checkers there was the exact same problem. The skill points and win percentage are the best way to tell who is the best on the ladder. If you look at the skill points right now it is pretty indicative of who is the best. In civ2 the ladder wasn't cases, it was created by some kids in highschool and it was based on a point system much like the skill points on cases. More points, more rank. Play lower points players and you get less points. Very simple. In addition, the ladder wasn't controlled by people who played on it; all the admins weren't players themselves. There was never any bitching about the ladder and civ2 was a utopia when it came to ladders. There were several attemps by people to get cases going, but they died time after time as gameleague/civleague proved dominate. The simple fact is that unless someone is willing to create a ladder using a ranking system based on points and an equation then this will never end and it is better to focus on stats rather than rank. I never really appreciated the civ2 ladder as much as I do now. How little we realized how lucky we were to have it now they I have to play cases again.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Nov 19, 2005 13:04:40 GMT -5
I could care less about rank. I don't desire to spend every waking minute of free time I have chasing it and having it. I don't desire to have people nagging me to play if I do have top rank. Most importantly, I don't need to have a high rank to know how good of a player I am or others are. I remember when Dennis was #1. He played every night just about. God forbid if I wanted to play a ladder game at that time. I would get all kinds of pm's from people asking me if he was going to play. God forbid if we wanted to go away for the weekend together as a family as people were complaining that he didn't spend the weekend defending his title. You need to have some balance here. I understand it's nice to see movement in the top 10 but at the same time you can't expect a person to play non-stop and hound them to death either when they don't. Tonia... if you and Mo ever come by, I may risk Mo's right hook (or possibly getting decked by you) to peck you on the cheek. That's the best defense of the human rights of the #1 spot I've ever heard. :: salute::
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 19, 2005 23:59:02 GMT -5
Just enjoy the games you play. Rank are cool only when you get in top 10 (cause then you can smell the title coming). Until you get in that position just enjoy the games you have. CCC's always weed-out the pros from the overactive. The top 10 is currently playing more then enough. No reason to blab on them. Get higher in rank and then you can challenge. Heavyweight champion of the world in boxing should fight every single night IMHO. If you don't fight 15 rounds every night then there might be someone you are ducking. Fried, give up the family, let the game take over, lose your job and civ civ civ
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Post by Nolan on Nov 20, 2005 2:40:43 GMT -5
As noted, quite a few of the top players on the ladder are testers. If they are not playing a lot, maybe that means they are testing YOUR patch! Their testing obligations did not end when the game was released.
I hope to play in teamers whenever possible, as half the fun of the game for me is enjoying good company.
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Post by lorddragon on Nov 25, 2005 21:01:26 GMT -5
Well, I am currently #5, and I play probably 30 big games a week, 8player Cton and such. So there:)
On another note however, I won't be on much at all for the next two weeks. Finals, sigh.
Oh, and whose idea was putting the Clan tournament right in the middle of Finals Schedule, lol. I know a lot of players are in some form of higher education, college, grad school, law school, etc, and this keeps us from really playing, as its the busiest time of the year for students.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Nov 26, 2005 6:57:16 GMT -5
Hey, if my girlfriend and family aren't important, sod off on your examines. ;D (Good luck on them!)
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 26, 2005 9:11:32 GMT -5
I have to present some pre-legislative acts to the Nova Scotia Parliament over next two weeks in regards to a grant I was given to study a certain issue....Think I'll skip going so I can get my civ done first.
But seriously folks, the top tier is active enough. In fact rules state once a week and all are doing more then this. One should not have to play every night to stay on top. And yes us beta testers got the top ranks since we opened league a little early. Guess what? Someone had to do it, so why not the people who spent hours testing it without enumeration. Nolan, Canuck...my lord the hours those people put into this game is in my mind incredible. We wished to open a little early to beta to allow more valid ranks. If we all opened same time, any false report by anyone at all would have made a champ. The very first win would have been propelled to top spot.
This being said, everyone will get their shots in, not like he can give 100 challenges a day to serve all 1000+ of us. I played 19 months of c3c before I got a shot. CCC's are coming up and everyone will be playing everyone soon enough. So please chill, this is an accountable league for reporting, fun games. Yes competition is important for one's self esteem. But fun should prevail.
As for Unimatrix...I think he might be only one ATM who has a legit shot but in our current system (which is not perfect but suitable to our needs) he will be hard pressed to move back into the top 10 for a while.
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Post by yilar on Nov 26, 2005 12:02:45 GMT -5
ermm avo....
2 top10's have been dropped in rank due to not playing in the last 7 days.
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Post by donaldkipper on Nov 26, 2005 12:09:00 GMT -5
yilar ffs when are u gonna learn
they have a RIGHT to be top 10 cause they tested the game
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Nov 26, 2005 15:01:24 GMT -5
::shrug:: Well, I've played 5 of the top 10 so far (at least the last I checked,) I'm playing another Monday night, and hope to meet the other two for the first time this coming week.
I don't have any real problem with resetting if it's a big issue with people, but I would say that the amount of playtime of the three players below me is significantly less, so that would worsen the problem.
I'm doing my part as a #1; I have a limited amount of time on weeknights, so big games aren't possible then.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Nov 26, 2005 15:39:37 GMT -5
Just for the record, anyone in the top 10 who goes 5 days inactive is dropped in rank automatically by the Case's Software. I am monitoring this to make sure we stay competitive.
I urge all top 10 players to follow the rules and play the person below them in rank at least once every 3 days.
Best, SPM
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 26, 2005 15:47:44 GMT -5
You will notice that me and Nolan played a very competitive and close arch ffa last night and that there is a new #1 contenter now Sorry I'm on duty today and won't be able to play tonight, but I'll be restarting an Epic on sunday(unfortunately my 1.00 Epic is dead due to save incompatability) and hopely get a ffa or teamer in as well. CS
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Post by Nolan on Nov 26, 2005 16:31:38 GMT -5
I want to thank the players in that game for their patience. It wasnt the issue of reports, but the honour of second place. So many want to achive high rank, that it summons us to do our best to defend our positions.
At the last turn CS beat me by one point.. So I guess I will have another round with him to be sure... tee hee.
We might have decided to let the others scores stand (so they could quit after the many drops and rejoins) and just let the top three players in the game battle it out. Maybe the next time such an in-game decision can be made.
Congrats CS.. I'm going to get ya the next time!
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