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Post by Ellestar on Oct 30, 2006 5:06:59 GMT -5
You don't win many ctons do you? Don't waste time killing people if it ain't necessary. I guess you win by planting a few cities and building a wonder or 2 and sit back and admire how good you play. Oh, your gooooooood! I guess you win by killing some clueless noobs in ctons then planting a few cities on all that territory and sit back and admire how good you play. Oh, your gooooooood!
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Post by Necrominousss on Oct 30, 2006 10:53:20 GMT -5
Sometimes 2 or 3 noobs. I'm the bEEEEEst!
If it was only that simple.
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Post by pooky on Oct 30, 2006 11:22:57 GMT -5
anyding less than total conquest victory is for sissies.
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Post by Bantams on Oct 30, 2006 11:51:09 GMT -5
MrGameTheory(44) defeated avrieeee(83) MrGameTheory(45) defeated alice(43) MrGameTheory(47) defeated Earl_Harewood(209) MrGameTheory(47) defeated Rush_Buster(276) MrGameTheory(47) defeated cv431410(37) MrGameTheory(42) defeated LupusInFabula(183) Very unfair IMO. and end of topic i suppose since the match was forced in MGTs Favour
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Post by tommynt on Oct 30, 2006 13:45:31 GMT -5
doubt that some1 not playing cant win very obviously if there d be a rule like "if he was there, he d have won", I should get a report from every1 playing a cton game
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Post by mrgametheory on Oct 30, 2006 13:49:29 GMT -5
You guys still posting in this thread? I thought this situation was resolved months ago As for my Game with DrShot. I apologized to everyone, my Internet connection went down and I could not get back in. I tried every attempt but due to bad karma that I had from my actions the previous night and later that day, I was not permitted to get back in. I will report to all players on both sides. The second time I got back in I did state what my password was so that someone could take my place in case I lost my connection again ( which did end up happening) . As for the rest of the haters. Understand that life is not what you think it is. Hopefully this is apparent to you by the fact that a decision was reached that was not your own. Understanding is important and the decision which was reached was based off of actual rules and not what is morally correct. If at a later times the rules are amended to incorporate "certain" morals that is one thing, but currently it is not. The problem with reality is that incorporating certain degrees of morals into rules can dramatically destroy a system and cause chaos. The admins had to make a very difficult decision where they did want to incorporate certain moral concepts into the equation, but do to overwhelming support against those morals, they were forced to make a different decision. Life is filled with countless powerful people who do not have control over their morals in certain situations, thats part of the reason why they succeed in those situations and Thats life and you have to accept it. You accepted participating in a video game dealing with war and you must accept the rotten people who will be associated with such an atmosphere. If you were here to just have fun than you shouldn't be apart of a ladder system with ranking. You chose to be apart of ladder so you could play better players and all of this is just the fine print associated with it. Its the people who lack experience and are naive that think the world is something its not and feel the world should be judged a given way. If the admins were to open the box of breaking rules that people follow at will, they would open up a box they really don't want to have open. There is a reason why God opposes you in this situation and favors me so get with the program and STFU.
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Post by alice on Oct 30, 2006 15:26:00 GMT -5
yea this still chafes me i have never called for mgt to be boxed or banned or any of these things, but the fact that you made a ruling about this while never having consulted other players in the game, seems messed up, HE WAS NOT GOING TO WIN!!! and yet you gave him reports from a game that was 20-25 turns from compleation,
"And while I agree that MGT's post are in poor taste, I can hardly punish someone for gloating, " CS
so instead you reward it?
the best thing you could have done imo was to make a new rule and not force reports that where not earned, giving him those reports is wrong
i get the feeling that you made a half baked desicison in favor of the skweaky wheel, whats more i think that you should have emailed the players involved in order to hear all sides, b4 making a ruling,
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Post by zzZhenon on Oct 30, 2006 15:28:56 GMT -5
MGT I don't think you should be been boxed or penalized.
You've been up front and honest about this entire situation, but I sure as hell don't think you should have gotten those reports.
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Post by MMV on Oct 30, 2006 16:27:30 GMT -5
awe......... this ain't nothing, lol -
last year I had a forced report put against me for a C3 future teamer game that was NEVER played, LOL!
it was SCRAPPED in the lobby and all went to other games, but there was this one whiney guy............ and'uh....... well he made such a fuss that WU2 asked me in an email "will you just please report so this guy leaves me alone?"
LOL!!
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 30, 2006 16:41:47 GMT -5
yea this still chafes me i have never called for mgt to be boxed or banned or any of these things, but the fact that you made a ruling about this while never having cousulted other players in the game, seems messed up, HE WAS NOT GOING TO WIN!!! and yet you gave him reports from a game that was 20-25 turns from compleation, "And while I agree that MGT's post are in poor taste, I can hardly punish someone for gloating, " CS so instead you reward it? the best thing you could have done imo was to make a new rule and not force reports that where not earned, giving him those reports is wrong i get the feeling that you made a half baked desicison in favor of the skweaky wheel, whats more i think that you should have emailed the players involved in order to hear all sides, b4 making a ruling, Alice there will be a new rule or atleast a precedent made under the good sportmenship rules to cover this in the future. But I can hardly make a new rule and punish a player for breaking it before it is made.....now that would certainly earn me the wrath of many in the ladder. CS
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Post by Random on Oct 30, 2006 16:44:45 GMT -5
Well for the first time in the 3+ years I have been a member of the ladder, I am very much against the decisions of the Amins. I have felt for sometime that the old integrity of the ladder was gone, and this decision proves it. I am of half a mind to quit this whole damn thing, I really play very little, and there are other Head TDs. If this is how one must act and behave to be an elite in this ladder then maybe it will be better to split and create another ladder that is by invitation. Where there is still some integrity in the players, where although there is some heat between games most remain friendly. All this and more are gone from this old league, and I will think on beginning anew.
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Post by Random on Oct 30, 2006 16:59:15 GMT -5
2. DON’T QUIT GAMES: Players must make every reasonable effort to complete a game once it is begun. It is not considered acceptable to leave a game because you don't like your start, your prospects of winning, or because a better game becomes available. This can spoil the game experience for the others remaining in the game. It is also not acceptable to leave a game for personal non-emergency reasons. Players entering games should know they are able to dedicate several hours of play time, or they shouldn't start the game. If you voluntarily quit a game, whatever the reason, you must report a loss to every remaining player in the match. I need all of this explained to me, because he did spoil the game experience, and eating brunch now must be one of those EMERGENCY reason. And he is arrogant enough to tell all the other players they can **** off!
15: GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP: The basic premise of the ladder is to facilitate players finding each other, who are devoted to Civilization IV, so they may compete in a sportsman-like manner. Our philosophy is play hard, but play fairly. It is NOT winning at any cost. Any player exploiting game deficiencies as determined by the Admin Team risk expulsion or severe penalties. Again more explanations I need the Admins definition of sportmanship here, and going to brunch for selfish personal reasons is now with in the rules...
Fill in the Blank We can't cover every aspect of gaming in our rules. We have tried to be as thorough as possible and cover all the basics. However, just because something is not listed doesn't meant that it is allowed. Use common sense. If it is something that will adversely effect other players and you might think twice about doing it's probably against the rules. Our staff have the final say in such matters. If you have a specific question please feel free to contact us via E-mail. And this here is where you have the real opprotunity to make this wrong but the great and insightful admins have chosen to do nothing and reward the epitome of this new ladder.
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Post by Bantams on Oct 30, 2006 17:02:24 GMT -5
yea this still chafes me i have never called for mgt to be boxed or banned or any of these things, but the fact that you made a ruling about this while never having cousulted other players in the game, seems messed up, HE WAS NOT GOING TO WIN!!! and yet you gave him reports from a game that was 20-25 turns from compleation, "And while I agree that MGT's post are in poor taste, I can hardly punish someone for gloating, " CS so instead you reward it? the best thing you could have done imo was to make a new rule and not force reports that where not earned, giving him those reports is wrong i get the feeling that you made a half baked desicison in favor of the skweaky wheel, whats more i think that you should have emailed the players involved in order to hear all sides, b4 making a ruling, Alice there will be a new rule or atleast a precedent made under the good sportmenship rules to cover this in the future. But I can hardly make a new rule and punish a player for breaking it before it is made.....now that would certainly earn me the wrath of many in the ladder. CS If as it was MGT shouldnt have recieved ANY reports from that game who sanction the reports anyway usually it says who did it but not on this occasion im not the only one pissed off at MGTs actions in the game Perhaps you should or SPM when he back reverse thes stupid reports and make as if MGT wasnt even there perhaps since he obviously wasnt Hes just taking the piss out of the ladder rules imo but youre the admins here and we been here before with the daily results posts so I guess something needs to be done since more and more players IMO are playing FFA games and not ladder games IF you want this ladder to grow YOU as ADMINS need too stamp a mark on all this noncense currently taking place which seems not to be happening [KC]Bantams
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Post by tommynt on Oct 30, 2006 17:30:51 GMT -5
Random how could u expect ladder admins to enfore the rule of sportmanship if they have one in their rows how is part of the 3 most unsporty guys i meet on ladder.
Apart that it looks like CS is the only 1 doing any desicions apart deleting or censor posts which some others might do
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Post by alice on Oct 30, 2006 17:31:38 GMT -5
But I can hardly make a new rule and punish a player for breaking it before it is made.....now that would certainly earn me the wrath of many in the ladder.
instead you are pusnishing us, you are giving him reports, thats rewarding him, not punishment, think about it. from the sounds of popular oppinon so far sounds like ya did incure the wrath
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 30, 2006 18:03:54 GMT -5
Well despite the strong opinions being voiced the actual over all concenus is that there is none, opinions are split, and that is all. So the reality is that I was going to piss off one group or the other. If you want to leave the ladder over one issue with one player well so be it, it would be sad ofcourse but none of you are incharge of making decisions, I am, and that was my call, and it was made with due consideration of the rules and in fairness to all concerned.
Yes I could have ruled that MGT broke the good sportmenship rules, even though there has never in our history been a case of a player being accused of cheating because he was AFK.
So in my opinion it would have been worse to punish a player for a rule that doesn't exist and a precedent that has never been set. I know that MGT's attitude does not endear him to many people but enforcing the rules is not a popularity contest. If I punished MGT just because he's self centred, were do I stop? Now I can punish people for personality issues? No.
If you want to blame someone because MGT pisses you off then blame me. If you are so wrapped up in this issue that you want to leave the ladder or create a new one then feel free, but this ladder is built on fair and consistant enforcement of all the rules for all players, even the ones that irritate you. To do otherwise would be walking down a very slippery slope, IMHO.
There will be no witch hunts on my watch.
CS
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Post by Random on Oct 30, 2006 18:07:39 GMT -5
Well lets see here... If you would have ruled against him, all that would have happened is he would have quit the ladder as he has done before. But I guess he is such a good asset to this One Ladder for all, that we should all kiss his ass as the powers that be have.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 30, 2006 18:18:06 GMT -5
Well lets see here... If you would have ruled against him, all that would have happened is he would have quit the ladder as he has done before. But I guess he is such a good asset to this One Ladder for all, that we should all kiss his ass as the powers that be have. I guess it's all a matter of perspective, I don't really care for him any more than any other player, but if I make up rules on the fly to punish him, what to stop me from making up a rule to punish Random or any other player? CS
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Post by Bantams on Oct 30, 2006 18:20:06 GMT -5
Two words CS
Bad Call
perhaps next time this happens the rules will be changed regard going AFK
Perhaps next time some of the PPL concerned may quit the ladder from such actions
Pehaps the next time this happens PPL will get a screenshot when the persons absent from the game and is infact AI then perhaps the ppl will get there reports
After all if you quit a ladder game which HE DID (but not his pc) should thats be a case of quitting a game
IMO this ladder is broken and needs Fixing big time Ive seen the CIV3 ladder as well and the frorums there are just as bad
YOU and the rest of the ADMIN team need to make a mark and prove to us ladderites that Bad sportmanship wont be tollerated
Im sorry to MGT for making the poll earlier but you must deep down agree MGT that you were in the wrong going AFK for so long some PPL me included only get a short time spell to play civ on a daily bases.
So going AFK for the entire game almost really pisses PPL off
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Post by Levi on Oct 30, 2006 18:21:49 GMT -5
I do not agree with the decision of Canuck on this issue. I think it is clear that MGT violated several ladder rules and got off scott free because no one else had ever done it before. I hope I don't get kicked off as a HTD for posting this, but that's life I guess.
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