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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 11, 2006 16:59:59 GMT -5
Ultimately, since this conversation took place outside the lobby or the Ladder forums, the point is moot. Unless an admin caught them red-handed, there is no way to prove one way or another. That is why the admins aren't gonna pay much attention to this, and I don't blame them. I'm just a concerned Ladderite who doesn't want to see this kind of stuff happen.
Gogf wrote:
Because I was not the recipient of the bad comments, that is irrelevant. Believe me, my writing skills are not affected.
Only friends of people who do it could possibly say with a straight face that it is okay to talk like that. My position is the same as it has always been, that trash talking is against the spirit of the ladder. It makes the Ladder look bad and discourages new players from staying. You can say whatever you want outside, but should Ladderites be able to trash talk each other, especially those who don't even know each other? Would you like it if someone talked like that to you?
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Post by tommynt on Aug 11, 2006 18:45:03 GMT -5
where are forum admins?
this topic was really discused 100 times allready now and i dont see that some1s opinion on it ll change by more discussion, all what can come now it personal attacks
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Post by knupp on Aug 11, 2006 20:59:20 GMT -5
Half the fun of this ladder is that you can trash talk and joke around after you put a serious whooping on a buddy or even a stranger. You're in the wrong place colonel. This is online gaming, not sunday morning church.
Don't expect to get anybody's respect around here when you are constantly posting the forums saying what is wrong and right when you only have 1 ladder game under your belt, 1 that you lost.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Aug 11, 2006 21:16:05 GMT -5
where are forum admins? this topic was really discussed 100 times already now and i dont see that some1s opinion on it ll change by more discussion, all what can come now it personal attacks The ladder Admins are letting people vent, but watching the thread closely, so far no personal attacks have occurred, just the statements of strong opinion, and that is not against the rules. As long as people remain courteous then I will let this thread continue. CS
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Post by MMV on Aug 11, 2006 22:35:20 GMT -5
p'shaw - CS wears cammie-panties!
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 12, 2006 0:08:50 GMT -5
Knupp wrote: But the Ladder is friendly online gaming. The ladder rules do mention good sportsmanship. I think you know the difference between a ribbing of your friends' foibles (look at the very last post) and a serious, mean-spirited comment directed at a stranger. Look at it this way, would you say the same things to someone face-to-face that you would say from behind your computer? Can you say yes honestly, not knowing who it may be? I see that you are resigned to accept the idea that online gaming must include rudeness. I do not share that opinion, especially of the Ladder. Chivalry is not dead here! That argument is considered ad hominem circumstantial. Post my game stats all you want, it doesn't make the idea of good sportsmanship mean any less. I am in no lack of respect from others. And I get that respect based on my conduct, not my power alone. In the game we can wage war, pillage cities, and wipe out each other's civilizations. In diplomacy style games, my personal favorite (I'm a complex gamer ;D), you can even make alliances, backstab former allies, and gang up on civilizations . As long as everyone understands that anything goes, it's all good. If your civilization trash-talks my civilization, it is role-playing. But sophisticated players can tell the difference between what is in the game and what is not. For example, it is unfair to gang up on a player of high rank in order to reduce it. But if the ganging up is based on in-game geo-political factors, then it is understood to be a valid gangbang. Because I prefer this style of play, I am probably even more elitist than many of the top-ranked players. I am not afraid to admit it. That is to say that my attitude is elitist, but I wouldn't prohibit someone from joing one of my games based on percieved skill. Everyone knows that at the end of the day, it is a game and we all have the love of the game in common, so why not get along? This has evolved from a debate about a specific incident to a general opinion thread about the behavior of Ladderites. Would an Admin kindly interpret for me the circumstances under which you enforce the good sportsmanship rule? What specific conduct is considered bad form? That would satisfy all my concerns. Thx.
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