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Post by knupp on Aug 10, 2006 23:42:17 GMT -5
You can't play both sides colonel.
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Post by knupp on Aug 10, 2006 23:44:54 GMT -5
BTW, when I do host I don't mind letting newer players in. I'll let in two usually 1 for each team. And that is only after I ask everybody in the room if they are ok with it. I'm not going to let 2 people I don't know join the game so two players I do know and regularly play with leave because they don't feel like dealing with it.
The bottom line is we all want to play a game. Play a stupid game and have some fun with some people who don't quit or die in the first 10 turns. That's all!!!
Why make such ridiculous posts all the time?
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 10, 2006 23:46:55 GMT -5
I'm really heated about this issue now. And all I've got to say is when do you play the game Avo??? Never seen you, not once. Please don't say the ladder is a bunch of elitists. You don't play in it. All I've ever seen of you is make these posts once in a while on the forums. No, Avo is just an admin ;D And I'm not playing both sides. I am and always have been against abuse from anyone.
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Post by knupp on Aug 10, 2006 23:48:10 GMT -5
This is planet earth. We are humans. Abuse happens. If you are some pacifist don't play a game where entire civilizations get whiped off the map.
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 10, 2006 23:59:06 GMT -5
But it shouldn't. And the admins are against it. It says so in the rules. There's a big difference between being a war-monger and just having bad manners. They need not be the same. You can love war and still act like a gentleman. And as for being pacifistic, there is room in this game for all kinds of civilizations. It's just that the popular style of ladder matches is a short, elimination game.
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Post by deviousdevil on Aug 11, 2006 1:15:12 GMT -5
Please give me a break. Do we really need a thread every weekend about this "conspirency" against noobs and how all top ranked players are in bed with each other hoarding their ranks. Do you really need to have the same post every single day? Poly should not be banned from the ladder or anybody else who doesn't want to play with somebody who's going to die in the first 5 turns. I'll tell you about a game I played today. 4v4 Inland Sea and I'm front and kill the guy across from me. What happens next??? The guy on the other front gets killed by 3 longbows. Three longbows that had been walking on flat ground for the last 30 turns around his territory. The same 3 longbows he never attacked and let pillage his iron and horses. The same 3 lonbbows that wandered around and killed both of his back cities. If I host a teamer and I don't want to play with some idiot like this in my game I should be banned from the ladder? All my conversations should be posted on the forums? Give me a break. Grow up smatt and find another topic to obsess about. That was TheVindicator, right
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Post by knupp on Aug 11, 2006 1:26:21 GMT -5
Lol. I killed the vindicator with 3 longbows in that game. I'm talking about a game today where some guy on my team actually died to 3 longbows on flat ground he saw for 30 turns. Let them pillage his iron and horses and never attacked them. And let them kill both his back cities. At least when I killed vindi I wasn't on flat ground for 30 turns.
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Post by Bantams on Aug 11, 2006 4:31:00 GMT -5
I'll tell you about a game I played today. 4v4 Inland Sea and I'm front and kill the guy across from me. What happens next??? The guy on the other front gets killed by 3 longbows. Three longbows that had been walking on flat ground for the last 30 turns around his territory. The same 3 longbows he never attacked and let pillage his iron and horses. The same 3 lonbbows that wandered around and killed both of his back cities. All true i was there couldnt believe it either ps me and knupp were 2v4 for a while at the end that was fun game though shame about the noob on the frontline ;D
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Post by decepticon on Aug 11, 2006 8:46:59 GMT -5
I make up no lies.
name is spelt wrong cause smallpotatoes was in the staging room while im leaning over his shoulder at the keyboard trying to copy and paste and go back and forth to make sure game isn't launching....yada yada .... i couldn't paste the pm chat for some reason so i typed that part out.
And BTW the game was changed to a teamer DURING the conversations i posted. Sometime after the comment about it being against rules to keep people out is when it became a teamer.
Abusing people is just not cool.
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Post by Avogadro on Aug 11, 2006 9:03:33 GMT -5
Teamer, my bad if looking for balance.
Cton as I said should be open to all imho.
Ps-I play 2 times a month only (different name) Not much but not very good so I don't enjoy it as much, I find the units hard to see because my eyesight is not 20/20.
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Post by [KC]NeutralParty on Aug 11, 2006 9:48:53 GMT -5
Well as some know, I'm pretty much a n00bst3r. I dont expect the pros to let me in their game. Frankly, I dont want to be the guy that ruins the teamer because I cant keep up with the high-rankers. It is also common courtesy to realize when you are not qualified, or welcome, and leave well enough alone. If it is a cton or a teamer that is inviting n00bs, then fine, but no one has to play with anyone for any reason. Why would you even want to be where you arent wanted anyways?
Especially when the game is passworded. Likely if you ask for the password, the host checks your rank, and makes a decision. If you dont like it, too bad. This happens to me all the time. I go play a different game. Dont go whine on the forums.
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 11, 2006 10:32:56 GMT -5
Don't you guys get it? It's not about rejecting certain players so much as about the spirit and manner in which you do so. It seems the only people we are going to hear from are those who are going to protect the rights of trash talkers, because they themselves would like to be able to talk trash about other memebers of this great group.
NeutralParty, I see you are a member of KC. I read the KC website. The Knights of Civilization in particular operate by a code, a code of honor. That code states the definition of sportsmanship. And I quote: "To respect clan members and other ladder players. Good conduct and high standards are key to belonging to Knights of Civilization."
That's like asking Rosa Parks why she would want to sit in the front of the bus where she isn't wanted. Or, asking women why they want to join exclusive men's clubs where they are not wanted. Or, asking any minority group why they would want to join any exclusive club that doesn't want them. Why, indeed Personally, I have been confined to a wheelchair my entire life so these words offend me in particular. Would you ask me why I wanted to be somewhere without access because I wasn't wanted? What we really should be asking is why you want to be a part of a community that values good sportsmanship when you display so little of it yourself.
If you really want a private game, I recommend you host your games through Direct IP. Otherwise, the burden of courtesy is on us to treat all players with respect. We're all here because we have one thing in common, our love of the game.
I invite all Ladderites who read this thread to post here if they are against abuse. If you post here and don't say so one way or another, it's like you are tacitly agreeing with it.
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Post by tommynt on Aug 11, 2006 10:42:57 GMT -5
colonel u obviously lack respcet in this community and u definatly dont get it by offensive posts.
U still miss the point, people play for fun and u usually have more fun with guys in game which whom u know that u ll have fun. Definatly u dont want to play a game with some1 who attacks others allready before he knows whats going on, what u obviously dont know untill now.
There are dnp lists for good reasons and u should not try to get onto as many as possible. There s just this 1 problem that 1 guy can destroy a game for 9 others, I think that might be 1 reason why mp civ got some problems, most other strat games work better 1-1 or dont need as much teamwork as a civteam game needs. Even a cton or ffa styled game can easily be destryoed by 1 idiot in game. So every host just try to make sure that this 1 guys who might cause problems for whatever reason (there are many) isnt in game. Sure sometimes wrong guys keept out and the wrong ones get in.
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Post by coloneltreize on Aug 11, 2006 10:54:15 GMT -5
I lack respect? Who do I lack respect for and in what way? How is it disrespectful to the community to say abuse is wrong? If anything, I'm doing a service to the community for saying so. Is this an alternate universe where good sportsmanship is dissrespectful and vice versa?
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Post by Bantams on Aug 11, 2006 11:12:26 GMT -5
If the elites (who are pretty noob at cton mostly) want to play by them selves so be it just host youre own teamers/ctons whatever and stop crying when someone thinks youre too noob to be on the front line in a teamer most elites play to win where as i play for fun Sure it aint fun playing 10 turns into a game which took 2 hours to start and some guy gets killed by 3 longbows anyway after all weve had this topic lots of times its a bit boring and tedious by now
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Post by longhorn on Aug 11, 2006 11:12:44 GMT -5
Just a friendly reminder to try and keep this thread civilized. For example, questioning someones honor usually doesn't lead to a civilized response.
Ladder games should be open to all members within reason. That being said, there is nothing wrong with wanting to host a competitive teamer or to play games with your clanmates, friends, or whatever you choose.
When you are not invited to one of these games (and I am not invited to some as well), you have the option to take it many different ways. If you want to say that not letting you in as a sign of disrespect or dishonor- then that is your perception of the situation. I think it would be more constructive to perceive it in a different fashion.
The funny thing is, if you were actually let into one of these games, you would be miserable. They would be pinging the screen, criticizing every move you were making, every build your city was making, even what tile you were working. They would be ugly, and calling you n00b all game. Then 10-15 turns later when you died, you would be greatful that the experience was over.. and to them.. it would be a self-fulfilling prophecy that you ruined the game. You would spend more time trying to defend your actions, then defending your cities! You would not have fun (for example) facing a rush from tommy and germ!
So instead of trying to consider it a sign of disrespect or dishonor.. would it be possible to just take it at its face value-- that a locked private game, even if ladder, is just a place for people to play with their 'friends' and their perceived equals. Ask if you want to ask, but maybe steer clear of these, and dont take rejection as a personal attack.
-longhorn
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Post by [KC]NeutralParty on Aug 11, 2006 11:17:20 GMT -5
Don't you guys get it? It's not about rejecting certain players so much as about the spirit and manner in which you do so. It seems the only people we are going to hear from are those who are going to protect the rights of trash talkers, because they themselves would like to be able to talk trash about other memebers of this great group. NeutralParty, I see you are a member of KC. I read the KC website. The Knights of Civilization in particular operate by a code, a code of honor. That code states the definition of sportsmanship. And I quote: "To respect clan members and other ladder players. Good conduct and high standards are key to belonging to Knights of Civilization." That's like asking Rosa Parks why she would want to sit in the front of the bus where she isn't wanted. Or, asking women why they want to join exclusive men's clubs where they are not wanted. Or, asking any minority group why they would want to join any exclusive club that doesn't want them. Why, indeed Personally, I have been confined to a wheelchair my entire life so these words offend me in particular. Would you ask me why I wanted to be somewhere without access because I wasn't wanted? What we really should be asking is why you want to be a part of a community that values good sportsmanship when you display so little of it yourself. If you really want a private game, I recommend you host your games through Direct IP. Otherwise, the burden of courtesy is on us to treat all players with respect. We're all here because we have one thing in common, our love of the game.I invite all Ladderites who read this thread to post here if they are against abuse. If you post here and don't say so one way or another, it's like you are tacitly agreeing with it. I do not display bad sportsmanship, and your examples with Rosa Parks and such are irrelevant, as they were trying to gain/defend their rights. It is not your right to demand to play in games that you are not welcome. It is the right of the members of that very game to tell you to butt out, so long as they do so in a respectful way if they dont want you there. Your argument keeps growing thinner and thinner every time you post. After getting your whole argument trashed, you are all of a sudden playing the "I'm just against disrespect/doing a service" card. Compare your last post to your first and you look foolish. Now you are even throwing false accusations around, as you so avidly despise. After reading the bit about your wheelchair, I gained some insight as to where your attitude stems from. Dont take out your frustrations on other ladder players. Lastly, I was not disrespectful to you, or anyone else for that matter, nor do I lack good sportsmanship, and I do not appreciate the disrespect you have shown me by accusing me of such. I hold true to the values of [KC], and if I dont, I'm sure they will handle it themselves. From here you appear as a hypocritical, attention hungry, whiner. I will not participate in this discussion any longer with you as you are about to cross the threshold of ridiculous.
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Post by Gogf on Aug 11, 2006 11:18:32 GMT -5
I lack respect? Who do I lack respect for and in what way? How is it disrespectful to the community to say abuse is wrong? If anything, I'm doing a service to the community for saying so. Is this an alternate universe where good sportsmanship is dissrespectful and vice versa? Nobody is being abused here. That IM from smattpotatoes was proven to be fake, and not wanting to play with bad players is not abuse. Playing with a password is the same as playing on IP, except that it's much easier to set up the game. If people don't want to play with you, well, that sucks. Either they don't like how you act (hint: whining on the forums about elitism is a sure-fire way to tick people off) or they don't think you're a very good player. If you think you're a good player, well, then people will eventually notice you. When Atomation came back with another name, we all realizes that he was much better than the average player pretty quickly. I know it may not feel great not being allowed into these games, but if you're good enough that you should be in them then you'll come in eventually. Playing with people who know how to play well is why I play on the ladder. Sure, I'll play games with newer players and give them advice, but if I want to play a competitive game with certain people, I should be allowed to!
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Post by Gogf on Aug 11, 2006 11:30:03 GMT -5
Oh, and Colonel_Treize, if nobody knows you, people are going to check your record. The reason that silkk set off such a furry of posting here was not because he had a high rank (he didn't) but because he was winning an awful lot of games (and, of course, apparently not reporting those that he lost). Your record is 0-1. You've played one ladder game, and you lost it. Nonladder games almost always have players of dubious quality in them, so bragging about how well you did off ladder will get you nowhere. If you have a nice record, people will take a second look at you. They'll think "hm... this guy wins most of the time when he players CTONs. Maybe he's good enough that he won't ruin our teamer." You'll have to prove to be decent in the game, of course, but you'll be "in." People who play CTONs generally aren't great, and if you can't get a good record playing against them, you probably won't do very well in a top player teamer.
I'm sorry of my post sounds mean, condescending, or demeaning. That's just the way it is; we want to play with good people. It may not be nice to those who can't play, but as longhorn said, you probably wouldn't even enjoy the game. I'm not sure why you even want to play with us, to be honest. Rank whoring is a stupid practice with no meaningful benefit.
Bantams: Well, most of the people I usually play with do extremely well on the rare instance that they actually play a CTON.
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Post by decepticon on Aug 11, 2006 11:38:31 GMT -5
Absolutely NOT. Like i got nothin better to do than make all the rats come out of the wood work. Fact is, its word for word. Sorry if you feel you need to defend your group of 'skilled' players. Actions speak louder than these words and the eliteist reign is soon to end.
LIke I care what the cheeseballs think. I have no desire to play your lame games over and over with you. Im sick of hearing people bash other players on Teamspeak. Im sick of cheating in Ctons with the same Teamspeak program or a plain old private message. Im sick of the top ranks not having to meet some sort of variety of games requirement to hold their rank.
What Im not sick of is all the decent people on the ladder and playing with them. Not you. Not your rank hoarding team games. Sure a good teamer is ok to play but for cryin out loud this is civ. Its not monopoly where there is one board and everything is the same every time you play. This is Civ.
Rank should require variety. Otherwise you DO NOT DESERVE IT. And if selling out on my sportmanship and the way i treat others is a requirement for getting into your games, I don't want to play them.
And I won't. And the movement is growing.
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