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Post by Elledge on May 5, 2006 17:43:05 GMT -5
I think cultural victory might be the strongest to shoot for. Consider that the AI doesn't really tech much faster than a good player on deity (from what I've heard from you guys, I haven't played much any deity myself), so it seems likely that you could hit cultural before they hit space race - if you can get some religions. Past that it's just keeping your neighbors happy.
Domination or conquest seems like it would be very very difficult without exploiting settings or bugs like the Praetorian game. That would impress me even more, but cultural would impress me as well.
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Post by aeson on May 5, 2006 18:23:14 GMT -5
aeon you r really a funny dude - the sort of dudes thinking they were clever - u not gonna be earn money by playing civ - if that d be possible i d be millionair You passed up your chance to make (up to) $500 USD here. All it would have taken was for you to take the wager and be right... Of course I was not making the wager to win money. I knew all along that you would back down. That was the point of the exercise. To make you back down, thus show your lack of confidence in your own assertions. That would be much more difficult than Culture or Spaceship of course. I would have to play Hub extensively to estimate the chances of that working, as I have no experience with offensive warfare vs the AI in cases where each AI has it's own choke point as the only land route to them. In any case, this is not what I have said is possible. Changing the criteria doesn't impact the statements made about the feasibility of the previous criteria. If you keep changing your criteria, you certainly can get to a point that Deity actually is unbeatable. Next are you going to ask me to play blindfolded?
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Post by weaksauce on May 5, 2006 21:16:54 GMT -5
this guy Aeson is not a registered player on the ladder and has spent several days running his mouth about things that several people here have said they dont care about. i dont see how he's adding any value to this community as a forum participant-only
i respectfully request that he be removed from these forums and his posts del'd -- unless he becomes a registered active player on the ladder.
this is not a single player community, it is multiplayer ladder/community. he can go post on apolyton or wherever these SP "geniuses" hang out.
thx
/weak
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Post by Ellestar on May 6, 2006 0:26:16 GMT -5
I will extend the wager to you then, since tommy has not taken me up on it. I have $500 USD to put up, and will match any bet* up to that amount. (* An amount that I would consider of enough significance to waste time on proving/collecting... say over $100 USD.) It would allow me to purchase another copy of CIV instead of open up the one signed by Sid. Put your money where your mouth is zerza. If you really have a legal copy of Civ but don't want to open it then why don't you just download Civ from torrent or something? Seriously though, I respond to points that I feel require a response. I drop points which I don't feel need to be addressed. The extent of my responses are dictated by how much I feel is necessary to adequetly cover the topic. The statistics about how much I respond to, how much I drop, and how long my responses are is not really good evidence of anything other than to what extent those feelings were present at the time. From my experience, they are a good evidence. Also, in many cases you explained to me what IMHO is my IMHO, what my IMHO is different from other's IMHO, what you finally understood my position but you didn't get it earlier because of blah-blah-blah. And all of that doesn't add anything to a healthy discussion. Nitpicking is a sign of a board warrior as well, normal persons don't waste time on it. Considering the fact that your posts are already far bigger than they should be to stay manageable, i count it as flaming. So, you're a classical board warrior. Maybe you don't realize it, but it's your problems.
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Post by Elledge on May 6, 2006 1:02:50 GMT -5
this guy Aeson is not a registered player on the ladder and has spent several days running his mouth about things that several people here have said they dont care about. i dont see how he's adding any value to this community as a forum participant-only i respectfully request that he be removed from these forums and his posts del'd -- unless he becomes a registered active player on the ladder. this is not a single player community, it is multiplayer ladder/community. he can go post on apolyton or wherever these SP "geniuses" hang out. thx /weak Although this seems pretty unlikely, I wanted to speak up and say this is a terrible idea. The guy has something to say and it's generating fairly interesting discussion. What's wrong with it? Not like this forum is so busy that we need to worry about spam. That said, the "wager" idea is stupid as a banana. Nobody bets hundreds of dollars on anything with someone they don't know, writing on an anonymous unrelated forum. You could bet me that you weren't twenty feet tall and I wouldn't take it, because it's not worth the hassle setting it up over the internet.
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Post by aeson on May 6, 2006 1:29:17 GMT -5
If you really have a legal copy of Civ but don't want to open it then why don't you just download Civ from torrent or something? As I've stated several times, I don't have a copy of CIV currently. The one coming to me (hopefully soon) is signed by Sid. Well, it's not my problem in any case, as I enjoy my posting. Simply put, I wouldn't waste my time if it was otherwise. I don't really care what you call me or my posting style. If you can refute my points, have at it. If they are invalid, it should be easy enough. Worrying about the label is pointless.
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Post by aeson on May 6, 2006 1:35:42 GMT -5
Although this seems pretty unlikely, I wanted to speak up and say this is a terrible idea. The guy has something to say and it's generating fairly interesting discussion. What's wrong with it? Not like this forum is so busy that we need to worry about spam. Thanks. I would... it seems.
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Post by Ellestar on May 6, 2006 2:28:09 GMT -5
Well, it's not my problem in any case, as I enjoy my posting. Simply put, I wouldn't waste my time if it was otherwise. I don't really care what you call me or my posting style. If you can refute my points, have at it. If they are invalid, it should be easy enough. Worrying about the label is pointless. Points? Which points? You don't have much there. Maybe about 10% of your particular post is meaningful. And flames are hard to refute because they don't have any sence in the first place. However, i can show why it's stupid to write something like that But it will be a flame as well. That's why flames are destructive - they only lead to more flaming.
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Post by tommynt on May 6, 2006 2:47:10 GMT -5
ellestar - discussing with slowed is pointless - dont try try it - that s hte old interebt problem - u cant do nothing as not to care when some1 says f**k you
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Post by Ellestar on May 6, 2006 5:59:43 GMT -5
ellestar - discussing with slowed is pointless - dont try try it - that s hte old interebt problem - u cant do nothing as not to care when some1 says f**k you Nah i don't care in any case. I'm just wasting some time the same way as him (that is, when i'm participating in some meaningless discussions). The difference is that i'm actually playing Civ in addition to writing on these forums and he tells others how he'll get a copy from Firaxis Soon™ ;D
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Post by zerza on May 6, 2006 8:10:52 GMT -5
Aeson:
You should just give up waiting on Firaxis to never send a disc and just buy one. I dont see them ever sending that disc lol.
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Post by zerza on May 6, 2006 8:19:42 GMT -5
He cant play the game, he cant back up his wild claims, basicly, hes full of it. ... Im sure by his wild boasts he is well known. Difference in MP and SP communities is MP communities you gotta put your money where your mouth is I will extend the wager to you then, since tommy has not taken me up on it. I have $500 USD to put up, and will match any bet* up to that amount. (* An amount that I would consider of enough significance to waste time on proving/collecting... say over $100 USD.) It would allow me to purchase another copy of CIV instead of open up the one signed by Sid. Put your money where your mouth is zerza. Well, its not in my corner to field proof of your abilities, or to have to accept a wager from yet "just another smacktard". I do hope they send your disc soon, or you buy one. Its much more fun playing the game then trolling us multiplayers And when it comes, you WILL sign up for ladder and give it a try. Why? Because, I downloaded the Game of the Month at CivFanatics and am playing the "challenging" setup, starting with no teks. I now have a first hand viewpoint on how utterly easy SP is Time for you to get a first hand viewpoint on how tough MP is
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Post by aeson on May 6, 2006 9:41:19 GMT -5
Well, its not in my corner to field proof of your abilities, or to have to accept a wager from yet "just another smacktard". It is your responsibility to back up your claims though. - "He cant play the game, he cant back up his wild claims, basicly, hes full of it." - "Difference in MP and SP communities is MP communities you gotta put your money where your mouth is " You've stated that I can't back up my claim. So put your money where your mouth is. I will do as I please. Thank you. That's your perogative. Do whatever you feel is worth your time. Your choices have no implications on whether or not I will, or should, play any more MP. I've played MP enough already to know my preference. I have already plainly stated several times that MP has it's challenges. That was never under dispute by me. If you wish to back up your insinuations that that is not the case, please quote me on what you are referencing.
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Post by aeson on May 6, 2006 9:47:42 GMT -5
You should just give up waiting on Firaxis to never send a disc and just buy one. I dont see them ever sending that disc lol. I'm in no rush. The reason I gave my copy away was because I wasn't playing it. Having been involved for over a year in the development of the game took most of the enjoyment out of playing it for me. Mainly due to having easy access and a need to deal with the actual code driving the game mechanics. My involvement with Civ III (and basically any game I play) was in large part to reverse engineer those equations through playing, which is my idea of fun. I'm not complaining, I think CIV is a great game, and I knew going into participating in it's developement what the impact on my own enjoyment of the game would be. I trust Firaxis will eventually get the copy to me. And in the meantime I have you guys, other message boards, Oblivion, and the beach a couple blocks away to invest time into as I see fit.
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Post by aeson on May 6, 2006 9:59:00 GMT -5
Points? Which points? You don't have much there. Maybe about 10% of your particular post is meaningful. Finally! If I was betting on it, I would have wagered you were going to go with something like, "99% of the stuff you post is meaningless." I am glad another percentage has finally made it's way into this discussion. If you wish to address the 10% you find meaningful, please do. If you wish to impress upon me that the other 90% is not meaninful, show how. Otherwise, we can just ignore whatever doesn't lead to, or impact, future discussion. I find arguments that don't make sense are the easiest ones to refute. Certainly they are the most enjoyable ones to mock the one who posted them with. You think that just calling 90% of what I say meaningless, without offering any direct reasoning to support that conjecture, is not flaming, while actually addressing it directly would be flaming? You think that instead it is better to just call me a name (board warrior) instead of attempting to refute my arguments. Fine. We have opposite views as to what constitutes flaming it seems. To each their own. The label "flame" is meaningless to me outside the moderation of the particular forum. (Meaning that if the moderators here felt the discussion merited post deletions and/or thread closure, it would impact the discussion and thus my own participation. Otherwise, it's irrellevent to me.)
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Post by tommynt on May 6, 2006 10:01:55 GMT -5
ughh oh another from the test/developer crew not playin the game
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Post by weaksauce on May 6, 2006 11:10:20 GMT -5
i think it's a load of bs that you come on here challenging prolly the best player in the game for $500 and you are too cheap to walk down the street and pick up a copy of the game or order it fedexed.
if you are such an important employee for firaxis, i dunno why they don't just fedex it to you, and why you spend so much time waiting for a copy.
Then what the heck are you doing here besides mouthing off and trying to promote your own ego? You dont play on mp ladder, you're just here to irritate a community -- which you don't even participate in.
I WOULD ASK AGAIN FOR ADMINS TO REMOVE THIS GUY AESON. He is not a registered player in the ladder. He is just trolling to irritate people here. I don't care if he's Sid Meier's first born; this sort of stuff has no place here. This entire thread has become counter productive.
/weak
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Post by zerza on May 6, 2006 12:29:45 GMT -5
Me thinks you should play the game.
Aside, when I said you couldn't play the game, it was an indication of your predicament, not your skill.
As for your boastful claims, you cant expect anyone to care. 500 or no its still big talk. Dont expect anyone to find the burden of proof just because a smacktard says so.
You say you can beat diety, we all say bullsh*t. Its not up to us to prove you wrong, its up to you to prove yourself right. Until you do your just a smacktard with or without the big talk of 500 dollars. (and you said that if you took the bet you would use all exploits you know, so its still not winning, its cheating.) But thats what some SP'ers do anyway, cheat. Restart 10 times for good map, reload turns for better results etc.
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Post by aeson on May 6, 2006 15:00:22 GMT -5
You say you can beat diety, we all say bullsh*t. Its not up to us to prove you wrong, its up to you to prove yourself right. A bet is obviously not what proves what the result will be. It's to show who is sure of their position and who is unsure. You make your claims, but then cower from actually stepping up and taking responsibility for those claims. I didn't say I would use any exploits, reloading, cheery picking starts, or cheats. I said I wouldn't observe any additional restrictions; after having already gone out of my way to help tommy to formulate some restrictions that would actually eliminate those types of cheesey things. Like Diplomatic victory, permanent alliances, ect. I just was being very specific that that was the bet I was making. The additional restrictions (like say, tommy's new stance that it's Conquest only) made later would not apply to the wager.
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Post by aeson on May 6, 2006 15:17:11 GMT -5
i think it's a load of bs that you come on here challenging prolly the best player in the game for $500 and you are too cheap to walk down the street and pick up a copy of the game or order it fedexed. I did not challenge tommy. He stated his view, I stated my own. He challenged me to prove my view, I accepted, and then I propositioned a wager on the challenge. His skill in the game is irrellevent to the issue. I'm not going to waste money on buying a game to prove my point, unless there is some sort of monetary reward for doing so to pay back my investment. It's simple economics really. I have $500 that is part of the fund I am saving up for my next computer upgrade. I proposed a wager that poses no risk of my money in my estimation. I would even go so far as to buy the game if it would facilitate that opportunity. Nicer computer for me if the bet is accepted, the enjoyment of seeing my challenger back down from his words if not. But to take $50 and buy a copy of CIV, when I don't have any potential return on that expenditure, is a waste of $50. I have not said I am an employee of Firaxis. I have already addressed why I'm in no hurry for a copy. It is there for you to read at your convenience.
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