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Post by DustyDragoon on Apr 30, 2007 14:42:32 GMT -5
you're right Mookie, it is just 7 days they must be in good standing. Maybe they should change that to 30 days. Sounds much more reasonable. I myself am sick and tired of the people who use and abuse the system that is in place. Tired of having to check because some twit can't be bothered to file a simple report. Tired of the misuse of ladder results because someone is worried it might affect their ladder standing. So congrats to Admin for applying the rules. And sorry but tough if it effects your clan. Tell your clan members to report when they are suppose to and we would not even be having this discussion.
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Post by Gogf on Apr 30, 2007 21:06:50 GMT -5
Rokkitlauncher was recently subbed out of a ladder teamer. He did not immediately learn the results of the game. Someone filed a non-report on him, which ended up in his bulk email box, where he did not see it. This game being a teamer, Rokkit was given more than one non-report penalty. Consequently, he was put in the box. This is a shame, but it's just and defensible—it's Rokkit's own fault that he didn't find the email. What is not just is that his prohibition from ladder games is being extended over CCC weekend because of a difficult-to-interpret, senseless rule that has never been enforced before.
Rokkit has prompty and properly reported hundreds of games over more than a year on the ladder. Can we really say that he is "not in good standing" because of one technology error? He will serve his box time, but does it make any sense to extend that time an extra week for no real reason?
CS, I'm glad you're trying to crack down on non-reporters. They're the bane of every ladder player's existence. But the current interpretation of this rule seems rather ridiculous. Why should a player not be able to play in the CCC a week after he has finished "serving his time"?
Don't change the rule for Rokkit or Namjis, change the rule because it is faulty and in need of change.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Apr 30, 2007 22:42:54 GMT -5
Don't change the rule for Rokkit or Namjis, change the rule because it is faulty and in need of change. That is a process which takes a review by the admins and perhaps in consort with feedback from the ladder. Doing so because of a controversy that involves a single player, sets a bad precedent, we will look at altering that rule if that is what is the consensus *after* a proper review process not because it may placate a vocal but small group. That being said I have asked for opinions of all the admins on this issue, and making an exception for this CCC is a possibility. CS
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Post by toratoratora on May 1, 2007 8:10:52 GMT -5
Yes agree with Gogf now if its a first offence and a genuine reason as been made as to why the players didnt report eg was subbed in a game and didnt get result until Internet connection was back on possibly after 24 hours sometimes! then perhaps if its Rokkits and Namejs first time in the box they should perhaps be allowed to play in the Next CCC! and maybe Enforce the rule more for the Next CCC! But as ive never been boxed even with my crappy router i still manage to report losses somehow so who knows
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Post by Canucksoldier on May 1, 2007 8:19:50 GMT -5
Yes I'm well aware of rokkits situation, and it's not that I don't believe him, but once I allow that to be a valid reason I now give every player a loop hole to get around the rules, and I have no way to prove there claims one way or the other. That is the dilemma when you start making exceptions to rules for specific cases.
CS
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Post by MMV on May 1, 2007 9:08:44 GMT -5
1: He did not immediately learn the results of the game. 2: Someone filed a non-report on him, which ended up in his bulk email box, where he did not see it. This game being a teamer, Rokkit was given more than one non-report penalty. 3: Consequently, he was put in the box. This is a shame, but it's just and defensible 4: it's Rokkit's own fault that he didn't find the email. 5: Rokkit has prompty and properly reported hundreds of games over more than a year on the ladder 6: CS, I'm glad you're trying to crack down on non-reporters. They're the bane of every ladder player's existence 1: He's not a noob and knows what to do and when but didn't 2: Perhaps ONE non-report email went to his bulk email, but the others? Slim chance - and besides, it's player responsibility 3: Yes, a shame and just 4: Yes, his fault that he didn't see the SEVERAL non-report emails, but again, he's not a noob and knows what and when to do it 5: Exactly, he's reported hundreds of games in over a year on the ladder 6: Yes, the bane of the ladder - exactly; hence the VOTED on new and stiffer rules ALL VERY GOOD REASONS TO ENFORCE THE RULES AS THEY CURRENTLY STAND You've given VERY good arguements as to why he should SUFFER the penalties, but none why he shouldn't! CCC is still basically 2 weeks away - admins have ALWAYS made player exception rules for "in good standing" problems during and before a CCC. Indeed, depending on penalized player response, Admins have also generally tended to "reduce player penalty" for good behavior I expect they'll do it again if the public spectacle here is quickly minimized.
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Post by NumberOneMercury on May 1, 2007 9:37:33 GMT -5
Gogf you still owe me a report for that RaY vs ren game. In fact you posted on the forums about having not reported to me then didn't report. And Mezi owes me one for refusing to report for a tbg where they lost two cities in the first 15 turns.
Is there a statute of limitations on these games?--these games were a few months ago but with the new rules I'm more inclined to file non-reports...
And thanks Canuck for enforcing, it's a pain I'm sure but I appreciate you taking the effort. Some people just gd don't report.
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Post by Gogf on May 1, 2007 9:44:41 GMT -5
2: Perhaps ONE non-report email went to his bulk email, but the others? Slim chance - and besides, it's player responsibility Why would one non-report go to his bulk email box but not the others? That does't make any sense. I didn't say he shouldn't be put in the box. I said his box time should not be extended a week beyond when it ends.
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Post by Gogf on May 1, 2007 9:52:04 GMT -5
Gogf you still owe me a report for that RaY vs ren game. In fact you posted on the forums about having not reported to me then didn't report. Huh? I don't remember this at all (I don't even remember losing any RaY vs. ren game), but I guess I could have forgotten a game. Is there any chance you could find the post I made saying I hadn't reported or a screenshot of the game? EDIT: I just checked all of my posts since October and can't find what you're talking about. Don't change the rule for Rokkit or Namjis, change the rule because it is faulty and in need of change. That is a process which takes a review by the admins and perhaps in consort with feedback from the ladder. Doing so because of a controversy that involves a single player, sets a bad precedent, we will look at altering that rule if that is what is the consensus *after* a proper review process not because it may placate a vocal but small group. That being said I have asked for opinions of all the admins on this issue, and making an exception for this CCC is a possibility. CS That sounds like a fair solution to me. Thanks for your consideration, CS .
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Post by MMV on May 1, 2007 10:15:10 GMT -5
Why would one non-report go to his bulk email box but not the others? That does't make any sense Exactly. yes, which is why I posted a historical reminder that -
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Post by rokkitlauncher on May 1, 2007 10:38:12 GMT -5
email sent to the admin team:
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Post by NumberOneMercury on May 1, 2007 10:44:52 GMT -5
You can't find it bc it was in the Real Noob Farmer thread
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Post by Tony on May 1, 2007 11:00:37 GMT -5
Ok im confused, did he have to go to the airport? or did it get sent to bulk folder? Did gogf even consult rokkit before making that post? Sure the 2 are not mutually exclusive, but just seems people are saying whatever to get him off.
Another thing that confuses me is ... he says 2 non-reports were filed agiasnt him, from this game he had to suddenly leave, but according to the rules 2 non-reports is only a bomb/drop, why were you in the pen box at all?
And the 3rd thing i was wondering is, how many a side was this teamer? if it was more then 2v2, which most teamers are, then surely you should be in the box for 14 or 21 days anyways...no?
14 days would take you well into the CCC anyway.
missing the CCC isnt that important, just take this on the chin and move on IMO...
Notice noone from RUS has posted .... hmmmm
EDIT:: Another confusing thing is why where the reports filed 48 hours ago removed? as far as i know you have 24 hours!
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Post by toratoratora on May 1, 2007 12:23:11 GMT -5
email sent to the admin team: Hillarious why not report before getting in the car im sure the Rules State Report a LOSS IMMEDIATELY after a game! not go for brunch / 2 weeks Vacation /Rescue a sick reletive / etc then go report
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Post by MookieNJ on May 1, 2007 12:26:16 GMT -5
CCC is still basically 2 weeks away - admins have ALWAYS made player exception rules for "in good standing" problems during and before a CCC. Indeed, depending on penalized player response, Admins have also generally tended to "reduce player penalty" for good behavior I expect they'll do it again if the public spectacle here is quickly minimized. Unfortunately, to this point, the Admins have said that they will not be making exceptions of this nature . As long as box time does not overlap the actual CCC, let the players play!
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Post by rokkitlauncher on May 1, 2007 13:30:31 GMT -5
cv, i find your tone disgusting, there is no need for you to even get f u c k i n g involved, nevermind make fun of my cousins health
bantams, the agreement is that you only report if you lose (the gentlemans agreement) so i didnt know whether i was going to have to report or not
tony, yes i have had 1 report against me a long time ago, the 1 that i mentioned in my statement. and the game was a teamer, i am just glad the other players on the opposing team waited to hear my side of the story before jumping straight to filing as soon as 24 hours had past
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Post by cv431410 on May 1, 2007 13:36:51 GMT -5
I was making a joke to make ladder members laugh, not directed at you or your cousin. I have deleted the post and sorry about this.
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Post by cryptococcus on May 1, 2007 14:43:20 GMT -5
I tried to hold back, but the thread goes on and on. ROFL Rokkit you finally got busted. Now stfu about your stories and face the fact that you often don't report on time or hope noobs don't report to you. In any case, if your out of the box before ccc you should be able to play. Also, I don't want to play Ray without wiz or Rokkit so let them play. Well it may be hard for wiz because he's in the box so long
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Post by Death to ALL on May 1, 2007 15:00:40 GMT -5
Since I still see that theWiz is being mentioned as not being able to play, I will mention that he is no longer listed in the above list. This is due to that he responded to the multiple account inquery. It is the general policy to place all duplicate accounts in the box for 30 days pending a responce from the player(s) to explain them. theWiz's responded and the box time removed. He is therefore able to play in the CCC.
DTA
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Post by MMV on May 1, 2007 17:12:10 GMT -5
I like reading stories like the ones posted here
Anyone ever heard this one?
Goldilocks and the 3 Admins
Once upon a time, there was a little ladder player named Goldilocks. She went for a walk in the forest. Pretty soon, she came upon a house. She knocked and, when no one answered, she walked right in.
At the table in the kitchen, there were three bowls of porridge. Goldilocks was hungry. She tasted the porridge from the first bowl. "This porridge is too hot!" she exclaimed - So, she tasted the porridge from the second bowl. "This porridge is too cold," she said - So, she tasted the last bowl of porridge. "Ahhh, this porridge is just right," she said happily and she ate it all up.
After she'd eaten the three Admin's breakfasts she decided she was feeling a little tired. So, she walked into the living room where she saw three chairs. Goldilocks sat in the first chair to rest her feet. "This chair is too big!" she exclaimed - So she sat in the second chair. "This chair is too big, too!" she whined - So she tried the last and smallest chair. "Ahhh, this chair is just right," she sighed. But just as she settled down into the chair to rest, it broke into pieces!
Goldilocks was very tired by this time, so she went upstairs to the bedroom. She lay down in the first bed, but it was too hard. Then she lay in the second bed, but it was too soft. Then she lay down in the third bed and it was just right. Goldilocks fell asleep.
As she was sleeping, the three Admins came home.
"Someone's been eating my porridge," growled the Papa Admin. "Someone's been eating my porridge," said the Mama Admin. "Someone's been eating my porridge and they ate it all up!" cried the Baby Admin.
"Someone's been sitting in my chair," growled the Papa Admin. "Someone's been sitting in my chair," said the Mama Admin. "Someone's been sitting in my chair and they've broken it all to pieces," cried the Baby Admin.
They decided to look around some more and when they got upstairs to the bedroom, Papa Admin growled, "Someone's been sleeping in my bed," "Someone's been sleeping in my bed, too" said the Mama Admin "Someone's been sleeping in my bed and she's still there!" exclaimed Baby Admin.
Just then, Goldilocks woke up and saw the three Admins. She screamed, "Help!" And she jumped up and ran out of the room. Goldilocks ran down the stairs, opened the door, and ran away into the forest. And she never returned to the home of the three Admins.
Moral of the story? When in the Admin's House, play by the Admin's rules
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