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Post by SirPartyMan on Aug 25, 2006 19:31:36 GMT -5
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Nolan
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Post by Nolan on Aug 25, 2006 19:57:19 GMT -5
Results of Event One First Place: AngelOnEarth- MUD Second Place: Moineau- LKT Third/Fourth Place tie: Popov30- FUN and Arvcran-OOD
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Post by swissy on Aug 25, 2006 23:04:04 GMT -5
Event #3 The Cton
(1)RaY - [un]pangea, (2)OS - Saurus_bzh, (3)FUN - Yeeeps, (4)[GOD]- Sir_Tobey, (5)MUD - Tony[Civ], (6)LKT- Biz, (7)KC - WorldConquerer, (8)..A.. - Smuckey, (9)OOD- Papercut, (10)MDR - Alexcherbourg
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Post by Levi on Aug 26, 2006 9:14:07 GMT -5
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Post by Levi on Aug 26, 2006 10:02:19 GMT -5
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Post by Levi on Aug 26, 2006 10:15:43 GMT -5
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Post by Levi on Aug 26, 2006 17:21:46 GMT -5
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Post by Canucksoldier on Aug 26, 2006 22:53:33 GMT -5
Ok the ironman results are as follows:
Mansurji OS Swissy KC uastranger ..A.. popov FUN Deyreeper RaY Romazi MDR Eiffel LKT EBD MUD DustyDragoon OOD
Thanks all, you are trully all iron civers for playing a single match for so long
CS
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Post by yeeeeps on Aug 26, 2006 23:11:20 GMT -5
How swissy could be second All players agrred on points with swissy out. I was thinking that rules are rules for everybody. That's not ? More than 30 minutes missing drive swissy out of result, that's my point.
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Post by swissy on Aug 27, 2006 0:15:53 GMT -5
Try popov blocking anybody from joining the game and ignoring the pop-ups.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Aug 27, 2006 0:46:57 GMT -5
How swissy could be second All players agrred on points with swissy out. I was thinking that rules are rules for everybody. That's not ? More than 30 minutes missing drive swissy out of result, that's my point. Yeeeps, the ruling was made by Levi, one of our co-HTD's that Swissy would retain 2nd place, primarily because: a. He crashed out of the game and didn't leave on purpose; and b. He tried several times to join during the 30min the game was delayed but always got a firewall message from popov. So by no fault of his own was he not able to rejoin. I'm not sure why popov didn't tell the rest of the players in the game about the popups he must have been getting(both players get popups since 1.61) but what should have happened was that the game should have been reloaded the first time Swissy ran into the firewall popup. But what did happen was that by the time the TD found out this info(myself) the ingame players had already agreed to call the game on points due mostly due to fatigue. So I asked Levi to rule on the placement of Swissy and he decided that the placements that were there when Swissy dropped should be used, which in actually fact were only a couple of turns before the game ended by consent, except that Swissy would keep 2nd place and not 5th. I hope that this is clear. I'm afraid yeeeps that these decisions are not a vote by the players but a decision of the TD staff that are running the CCC for us. And please remember that the ironman is a manual tournament and that reports have to be done the normal way on the ladder. CS
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Post by tommynt on Aug 27, 2006 3:44:51 GMT -5
sounds like some players have to learn good sportmanship
after playing Ironman for like 15 h (I dont know how long) together, trying to get to some1 out/not back in sounds really nasty
if I were td results might have been different
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Post by rupman on Aug 27, 2006 4:37:55 GMT -5
Sounds to me like several people dropped the ball here. I was in TS and c4f most of the day, at about the time they called it and was talking to Uastranger about it. I guess they waited for 30 minutes for Swissy to rejoin. Popov should have said something. Swissy should have PMed either the TD or a member of the game. Uastranger was in c4f at the time. He could have PMed him. Members of the game should have checked the lobby for Swissy and figured out what the problem was.
I also never heard anything about Swissy not being able to rejoin till I read this thread. Uastranger would not have agreed to call if he thought he was going to get third. Both Atomation and I gave him explicit instructions on TS not to agree to that unless it was second or better. Also if he had any real chance of getting the spaceship off to stay. I would have gladly subbed him at anytime if he was too tired to continue. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't clans allowed 5 subs in the ironman. So no one should really complain about fatigue.
Levi should have got them all back and told them to reload the thing. The TD should also have so kind of pressence in the lobby and occassionaly look for things like drops, or a player from the game being in the lobby for any reason and ask why it is the case. If they did wait for 30 minutes and Swissy was back in the lobby trying to rejoin, Levi should have had some clue about it.
I also think subs in any games whether it's the ren teamer or the ironman should have to register with the TD, or at least the TD should be checking names in the game through their buddy list. Since it allows you to see who is where.
Again several people dropped the ball on this. I hope we learn from this so that it does not happen in the future. Having TD's decide final placements in a match is not the way a game should be decided.
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Post by venceslas on Aug 27, 2006 4:53:18 GMT -5
FUN was second the next turn after the drop, they would have never agreed to finish third.
I fully agree with Rupman. Sure they are misinformation in both side, but the day after it seems a pretty bad decision. That was the first time that I was a player who cannot join who declared winner instead of to be disqualified(ok it's one way opinion and situation is more complex). Like you said CS and Rup reload was the good way in my view.
It's always easier to critize that to make a judgment... TD have not an easy job.
chris.
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Post by holocanthe on Aug 27, 2006 5:03:35 GMT -5
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Post by djojoz on Aug 27, 2006 5:30:40 GMT -5
Ok the ironman results are as follows: Mansurji OS Swissy KC uastranger ..A.. popov FUN Deyreeper RaY Romazi MDR Eiffel LKT EBD MUD DustyDragoon OOD Thanks all, you are trully all iron civers for playing a single match for so long CS FUN aren't fourth but third . Already that we lose the second place because of the departure of swissy. Popov has never had pop up saying to him that he to block a player.It is a scandal. We demand our second place. Our player popov does not speak english and does not understood anything of which unrolled at the time of the end of Ironman !!!!! Why not ask the opinion of the other players? I find that it there with much kindness in this decision. [Fun]GGjohanson
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Post by predalpha on Aug 27, 2006 6:02:40 GMT -5
i find really strange that a man who played a game of 15 hours, havent sent a message to his opponents!!! They wait 30 min. If i was Swissy, i didnt leave such a game like this and if i was blocked ( ), i tell others people to be sure they knew this. TD just follow the rules, don t open the "pandore box" Mdr-Predalpha
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Post by eiffel on Aug 27, 2006 6:16:02 GMT -5
Was swissy under c4f talking with someone else in the game or to someone from a clan still represented in ironman... explaining his problem ? Was a TD available at that time ?
Btw, KC was 4th or 5th without any chance to take better rank before that and is now second ?
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Post by mansurji on Aug 27, 2006 6:27:27 GMT -5
Swissy, you really tried to enter the game during the time you was allowed to ? Sorry, but there was 3 players of the game on c4f, you should have told one your problem. We had no clue you were back, and ( sorry ) i'm pretty sure you wasnt. It's easy to say after : i was back ! but noone saw me... So blame popov for his reaction if you want, but your isnt clean neither. For speaking about popov, he doesnt speak a single word of english, and he's not kind of guy to act nasty intentionally, of that i'm sure. In fact, i dont always run out of game every time i see a blcking message.... usually people success to enter on 2nd or 3rd try.
You know the game was lagging like hell for the last 50 turns ( about 3 hours of game, in blazing timer ), mostly due to you. When you dropped, we waited. 10 min. Then we've been seeking you and dropping some adds on lobby for a KC to sub you. 20 min later, no news. And finally, after 30 min, we knew that conquistador was aiming to enter, and he told us popov was blocking. Unfortunately, 30 min is a bit too much, and none of us had will to pursue further the game at this point.
Now i have to speak about what happen in the begin of the game. DustyDragoon get killed early by yeeeps, and he fiercely come back to claim that the kill wasnt regular, because [fun]yeeeps didnt had same name on the ladder, yeeeeps. He spoke with an admin, who decided that the situation wasnt legal, so we broke the game for the time to yeeeps to change his nickname.
So, in some situation, we can see that the rule is methodically used, even if this should bother some players.
Now let see what does the rule say about someone leaving.
<< If someone must leave the match (or drops), 15 minutes will be allowed for them or their substitution to appear, or that team is disqualified from the remainder of the event. >>
I guess there's no need for speaking much...
But i will. I do respect admin for their jobs, and i know it's an hard task. But is this a good idea to put an admin mastering an event when he got the same clan than one of the player ? This can only lead to bad situation.... When we said to canuck that we wanted to stop the game here and call it on points, using the 15 mn rule on swissy, he said yes, probably i presume because he didnt want to looks like he was doing some favor to swissy because they was on the same clan.
But he did accept the deal we made... All players agreed inside the game, the concerned admin agreed.... so what's the matter now ? I really cant understand.... I know this should be a pain for swissy seems he played the event from the begin, and he was in good position to do some points, with an AI for neighbor, but there's a rule for those situation.
So perhaps the rule should be renewed... But we played the game under one rule and i hope we will use this one to judge the situation.
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Post by whitebull on Aug 27, 2006 6:37:05 GMT -5
i don't need many words, my point is exactly the one of Mansurji
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