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Jun 1, 2007 5:37:37 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2007 5:37:37 GMT -5
Once again it seems there are some tense in here I'll try to set up my point of view clearly and quietly. As first statement, i'll say i have a lot of sympathy to Ray. They are great players, team workers, and usually nice people. As i already said, while i had a sucking connection, the only c4p games i played were Ray vs, cuz they were the only c4p players patient enough to handle my connec. As it seems "ray bashing" is a sentence oftenly used to counter other forum posters, take this as a "ray praising" comment. By this way, i hope my post will have a greater impact than other before. Yes, even though he didn't say it, we do have some aholes in our clan. I'll go so far as to point them out, Speaker, Metallian, and to a certain extent, theWiz. We don't condone their actions, it is who they are and for some of our members, it is a pain in the ass to try to repair public relations for any misdoings they have done. You'll see us defending them alot, because that's what a group does, it backs and defends their own. If you haven't noticed, those 3 have toned down their abrasiveness on the ladder, but the bad feelings towards them and towards RaY as a whole still remains. Unfortunate, but that's what I found after my half year hiatus. The Nation cup has been well welcomed on french ladder. There's been a big rush about setting teams, then setting the planning and the trainings. It has been such a good period, full of excitement and freshness. We've been lucky enough to be able to set 2 full teams, of players interested to play together and to defend the France vs other countries. The most interesting part of this is the fact that players from different clans or clanless are mixed together and have to set fitting strats and teamworks in limited time. In my opinion, this should increase the level of all french clans by mixing points of views and game strats, and should also lead to stronger links between players that wouldn't have known each others well. I believe Mansurji knows and appreciates the difficulties in fielding a team for an event as ambitious as the NCT. Sure, you can slap a team together, but what does that lead to if you don't do any preparation to make sure that the team does its best to maximize its strengths. You can't tell me it's fun to go up with a half-assed team that only assembled its team for an event against a team that has been training for a month for said event. You'd best have a team that is really experienced in order to pull it off. Otherwise, things could get ugly as the more experienced players just start talking trash to the lesser experienced members of the team. It promotes animosity between players instead of stronger links. The whole point of the NC is here : mixing players from different clans under a flag within limited time, then send em all into a big fight, with the flag being here nations. What NATO organisation is doing is exactly the opposite, an old school scheme : taking players from different nations and set them in a clan formation, players that knows each others well for playing everyday together. If we want this kind of thing, then we set a clan competition, that we could call, like, say, CCC. I mean, we're here to play France vs Russia, or UK vs US games, then to know which country will be able to taunt his opponents for months. If you guys want to play a France vs Ray, or a Germany vs Ray, we will be pleased to play exhibition match at any time. But don't bring clans where it shouldn't be, into a nation cup. Because this is all about NATIONS! Keep this in my mind, look at what NATO is, then tell me if you do truly think NATO fit into a nations cup. I understand this sentiment. In fact, I didn't think about fielding NATO until I saw the 2 French teams and Team America + Team USA. In conjunction with the Commonwealth gobbling up Team Australia, and later on Team Canada, I don't see why a cultural bloc isn't allowed. The Commonwealth is not a nation, these are individual countries that share some aspect of history/culture, most have the British Queen as their head of state, but other than that, is that so different from NATO that they escape scrutiny? I think it's straight up hypocrisy. NATO has a flag. I've seen it flown in Belgium and in Afghanistan, don't tell me it's not a real organization of nations coming together to work towards a common goal. The perverse effect of NATO being a conglomerate of many nations is to steal players that were already involved in their countries. As i said, we had very few time to prepare this NC, teams leaders get involved to set a planning running correctly, and this should be respected. I'm thinking to the UK and USA teams particulary. Setting a whole new team 2 days before the competition and using other nations players seems to me like an awesome lack of respect to all the captains that tried to set up something correct. All this to say the whole point of NC in my opinion is mixing players from different clans into one team fighting for their country, all together despite their difference. It's not much about winning, but about having epic games of nation's champions fighting, and this is a great idea. Please guys don't f*ck up this by wanting to play it with people you play everyday with, and by laughing at the "nation" idea. Who is messing with the NCT and making a joke out of it? I am serious when I say I have serious issues with playing for a country I don't believe in. Let me go into my personal history so that you understand. I'm an ethnic Korean, whose parents met in Germany. My father was a US serviceman (and still is 30 years later) and my mother was a nurse and a German citizen, both are ethnic Koreans. My father's side of the family has ties to North Korea in that we have family members on the other side of the border. I was in the military and saw the hole Iraq fiasco go down the crapper, even before it started. I went to Afghanistan twice, and though I feel we were let down there by the US govt in its commitment to Afghanistan, I don't regret our reasons for going there. However, I do have a gripe with the US government for its abuse of the military in Iraq. Though we're an immigrant family in the US, in two generations we've managed to serve a combined 88 years of military service among the family that immigrated, so don't say we haven't done our part. So, when I say it's disappointing what's been done by our government, I mean it. Again, the bullying of N.Korea by the US is another point of contention for me. As a Russian/Korean history language specialist, I find the current policy towards N.Korea as horrific. So, I'm going to do what we didn't do in Iraq. Play this out under a multi-national flag that has a decent enough record that I feel I can morally play under. What's the problem with that? The NCT is a competitive event and I found a workaround solution to be able to participate under a framework that I find acceptable. To be honest, I had totally forgotten about the Nation's Cup as I've been in the process of a move. It was brought to my attention a few days ago that the Nation's Cup was soon and was sort of dismayed that the majority of my clan had no intentions of playing. Knowing they are Civ junkies and there would be no ladder games for them during the Nation's Cup, I managed to convince them to play. Again, what is wrong with that? I provided them a framework under which they felt they would participate in. Does it truly make a difference that we're not playing with the rest of the Americans? If so, then where is the outrage over the two French clans? If not, then what is the problem? Is it the two non-Americans that we made accommodations for? I'll repeat again, that the other teams made decisions that I based my actions on. There was at least a day or two for ladder members to voice their opinions on the examples I cited in this and other posts, when none ensued, I registered Team NATO and damn near immediately I hear complaints. How am I supposed to interpret this? Is there a double standard going on? I feel my argument is water tight based on the examples have cited. [/quote]
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Jun 1, 2007 5:09:07 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2007 5:09:07 GMT -5
Dey are you slowed? You took a clan and entered them in nation cup. My roster for team World: GOD Roster Do you not see the problem here? This is not CCC and you just made it CCC. Maybe you can screw up Knupp's tournament too. With the whole premise being playing with other people not in your clan. If I was a real ass, I would have entered Team UN. As it is, there were only 2 players that were interested in playing with the team I had setup who weren't American. As I've said in other posts, if you're going to rag on NATO, I think you should be making an equal argument against the Commonwealth. In fact, I could be making a far stronger argument that NATO has a stronger place in the NCT than the Commonwealth does. The Commonwealth is comprised of nations that share a cultural heritage or were victims of imperialism during the UK's hey day. It mainly benefits 3rd world victims of British imperialism in that citizens of those Commonwealth countries have it a bit better than others in immigrating to the UK. NATO, on the other hand, is a viable regional bloc that protects the interests of its member nations. Though it's debatable as to whether NATO is really a relevant organization in today's day and age, the Russians would say otherwise. Just give it a few years when they add Cyberwarfare to their area of responsibilities. The Russian DDOS attacks on Estonia will definitely put it on NATO's agenda. It's not the CCC, but it is a competitive event. Why would I dilute the strength of the strongest possible team I could field? It's fairly pointless. As I said earlier, I was not the first to field multiple teams from the same area, you can look at the two French teams, you will see that one is definitely stronger than the other. That is probably not a coincidence and it gave the idea to break off from Team America. However, what would the ladder community have me say? "You suck, you're noobs," it's along the lines of thought that I had going at the time. I've been as polite as I can be on the topic, but it just happens to be that I can field a team with synergy and knows what is expected. My question to the ladder community is..."How competitive is too competitive?" Do I have to fall in line with everybody else and accept that the ladder is only for fun? Is it wrong to want to win in an event that will eventually be as prestigious as the CCC for the ladder? I would like to think yes, but the impressions I am getting is no. If these tournaments aren't supposed to be competitive, than what is the point in hosting them? As I recall, Levi put up alot of tournaments on the weekends when he was the newly appointed Head TD. They were marginally successful, but probably not as much as he'd have liked them to have been. So that just leaves the CCC, the COTs, and now the NCT. If these tournaments aren't supposed to be competitive, than what is the point in hosting them?
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Jun 1, 2007 4:46:03 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2007 4:46:03 GMT -5
"So yes, I want to play in the NCT, but no I don't want to play for Team USA for personal reasons and the ones I've just mentioned in this post" That's an interesting point. I think somewhere in the forum it's stated that you must play for your nation. Sure the rule can come in in gray area(double nationality)., but here it's not. Let me go over this again. If you are going to bash NATO for having members who have no connections with the country in question, then you should be bashing Longhorn and Team Australia. Though, to Longhorn's credit he did withdraw from the team after it was pointed out that he basically has no connections to Australia other than the players know and trust him. I would have had no problems with him playing for Team Australia, a team that needed players. Your statement(in my view) cross the red line. With such statement, every player can play in every team. I have no opinion on your reason(assume that you have very good reasons), however I think you are violating the rule. That's the same thing if I would create a team Europe because I don't want to play in french team. Or south hemisphere because I don't want to play in such a country. Well all these word to say, it's probably better in your case from do not participate to the NC(because you don't want to play for USA) rather using trick like NATO. That's fine, that's you, but it's not me. Polydeukes had his reason for not playing with Team Germany, I won't go into them, but he did say he would play on my team. Rokkit did not want to play with Team UK, which is now the Commonwealth, he had his reasons so to bring these two players into my fold I got a little creative. I only merely followed precedent in trying to get a few more players in my roster, in that I took the lead that the Commonwealth team did. The NATO roster only really has 10 active players on it, all from the US, minus Polydeukes and Rokkit. The main point to merge several countries is to get a team, not to reject a team for personnal reason, or to make poor other teams. Well, how many countries are allowed to merge together to form a team if they have the minimum amount of players to form a team? With longhorn, Team Australia had the bare minimum as did Team Canada. Team UK had enough to field a team as well. Yet all 3 banded together to form the Commonwealth. I'm not going to complain about it, but I will point out the hypocrisy. We add 2 players not from the US, follow the Commonwealth's precedent in forming a regional/cultural bloc for the NCT and we are the one to catch flak, not them. In my view NATO team violate the concept of nation's cup in at least two point: - You must play for team USA because it's your nation. or you cannot come in the NC. - The aim of merge team is allowed to get a decent roster, not to make poor roster from others nation or for personnal reasons. and so is not eligible to come in the NC because contrary to the spirit of NC. No offense deyreepher, just my point. chris. This is a valid point. However, there were 2 Teams representing the US when I came up with NATO. I thought it would have been redundant to have a 3rd. I mean, would being the Confederate States of America have made things more palatable? The Confederate States did recieve much help from the Europeans. Now you possibly can't have a problem with a country having more than 1 team representing them as the French have fielded 2 teams. I certainly don't have a problem with it, but I'll point out they fielded 2 teams and there were 2 American teams when I registered NATO. Ok, so I came up with a decent roster, it was my polite way of saying, no thanks, I don't want to play with a team that doesn't have any sort of organization whatsoever. We have no contact info, no strategy, no practice games, and nobody knows what events are being assigned to who. So, I've retorted. I think I made valid points and they definitely followed precedents to where there were no objections. I'm sorry, if I'm a competitive person. It is a tournament, I want to win it, therefore I will field the best possible team I can. I think people overlook the fact that the for fun games where you mix with other people are your standard fare of Random/Shuffle teamers. Why those don't count as games where you mix with others and play with new people is beyond me. As competitive as those games are, tournaments are that much more so. Maybe that's the problem with the ladder community, the majority just aren't competitive enough. I mean, how hungry are you to win? I know the French clans are and the RUS clan is, who are among the clans whom I have an immense amount of respect for. Individual players among the other clans, I acknowledge their prowress, I'm not the best player, but I feel that they are hampered by dead weight and could be even more competitive if they would streamline their clans and follow the example of the French and RUS clans. But granted, this is the Nation's Cup. If you look at the French teams, you'll see that one fields a far stronger team than the other. Coincidence? I don't really think so. So what's the problem here?
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Jun 1, 2007 0:01:53 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2007 0:01:53 GMT -5
If this team is a joke, you really owned us guys. And if it's not a joke, it is pityful. Different countries playing together is ok as long as they don't get enough players to make several teams, while this is just a trick to make a RaY team with a different name. Very disappointing. I trust admins to make the right decision about this team... Umm...We're not the biggest perpatrator of this. Including myself, only Mookie and Elgis left Team USA for NATO, hardly a deal breaker. There is a super team out there, in terms of roster. However, I believe it is needed to have a full roster to play in NCT. It took some creative thinking for the Commonwealth to fill its roster and I just too the ball and ran with it. There is straight up hypocrisy going on here. There is nothing I did not do here that did not have a precedent.
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May 31, 2007 23:14:38 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2007 23:14:38 GMT -5
of course u would do that wouldnt u dey. fold into another team with your clan members. So weak to not play with anyone else apart from the clan u have grown up with. And its ok we all know that without them u would be nothing. hope u have alot of fun this tournament as this is what it is all about bud. Not all about winning. Mat I play Shuffle/Teamers all the time. If that doesn't constitute not playing RaY vs, I don't know what is. And you're right, I am just a Civ IV player without my clan, no arguing that. I'm proud that our clan scraped our way to where it is today. We lost our first several CCCs, to being contenders in the CCC of today. What's wrong with that? Being part of a team constitutes teamwork and if all I can do is sit around support my team by being a sub for events (which I have done), so what? I'm still helping the team out. However, this all requires teamwork. Part of the fun of playing in tournaments is going over the strategies, working out a game plan, scheduling players for events. Unfortunately, Mookie did not want to take up those duties and I saw no action from EmperorPenguin. Your team is blessed to have DD as the captain, he's put in the groundwork, the effort, and is probably going over strategies with you. Why would I want to compete against such a team? It would be a slaughter. My time would be better spent masturbating in the shower as at least I'll be getting off. So yes, I want to play in the NCT, but no I don't want to play for Team USA for personal reasons and the ones I've just mentioned in this post. As I see it, NATO created an uproar that never should have happened, but that's fine. I'm a team player, I know the TDs that are organizing this event are doing so out of their personal time, so I'll be withdrawing NATO from the NCT, but ONLY once we get into another team. I have informed Levi as he was the only TD available to discuss this with, though he is not one of the main TDs organizing this event, it's better than nothing.
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May 31, 2007 23:04:03 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2007 23:04:03 GMT -5
omg everyone knows its just Dey being GaY coz he from RaY! Nato is not a country never will be so shut the f**k up and play for your country u nerd. always trying to play with your clannies just coz u suck so bad not our fault. instead of whining about no training games etc why not f**kyn talk to people and start some. Its not that hard to put a little effort into a first time tournament instead of being a wanker and leaving and making some false country/nation with a nutsload of players from your clan. Nato isnt a contry nor part of a country nor got anything to do with a country. Gettting straight to the point. hf with it Mat You just showed your colours...it's about RaY. I don't know why you have such animosity towards RaY. For the members of NATO to translate their abilities into the events for the NCT is a fairly straightforward thing. My not playing for Team USA is a political statement. I already served my country in the military, so I don't think I need to play for it in Civ IV. The world is a bigger place than countries, but that's my philosophy and I'll leave it at that. It's obvious you don't share that sentiment, but then maybe you do as you're playing as part of the British Commonwealth. I'm sure I wouldn't get an invite, but I lived in Nigeria for awhile, would I be eligible to play for your team? I'm not using it as an example, but I did live in Abuja, Nigeria for some time. Well, your personal attacks on me...they're just that. If you have a stronger argument, I welcome that input.
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May 31, 2007 22:53:38 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2007 22:53:38 GMT -5
Don't worry, I'm thinking we'll be disbanding this team and folding into another. After review, it does appear we need a roster as large as the British team's to FULLY participate in this event. So, I let Levi know, this b itching over NATO will come to an end as I believe DTA went to sleep.
I have a team in mind to fold into, with only the active members of NATO which is actually less than 10 players.
I talked to Levi about my intentions, but I have to wait for the team that we want to fold into to wake up.
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May 31, 2007 22:31:20 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2007 22:31:20 GMT -5
If you want an event where you play in a group that spends a lot of time working together and training with each other, then stick with the CCC, that is what it is. If you felt that the USA team should be like that also, then you should have spoken up and taken the reins to make it so. To put the blame at only the 2 captains feet for that is just a form of passing the buck for your own failings as well. The main purpose of this event is to get players together on the same team that would not necessarily have joined together due to being in different clans, or not in a clan at all. In the end this is a game and it is not all about just winning, but also about just taking part win or lose. Well, a leader is there to take the blame. So I am blaming the captains of Team USA for noobing it up. But that's fine, I'm coming up with an alternative to quell the complaining. The question is, will all the pieces come together before the closing of rosters on Friday? I'm not sure. And the getting together of different people on different teams...it's called Random/Shuffle Ladder Teamer.
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May 31, 2007 21:39:28 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2007 21:39:28 GMT -5
You withdrew from team USA for "other duties call" instead of inviting the entire team there to join you in this venture.[/quote]
The problem being? I didn't see you give Team America this much flak. I wouldn't have had a problem with you trying to police NATO, if you had given Team America some lip.
I'm sorry, there was 3 weeks inbetween the time I signed up for Team USA and moved onto NATO. There were no practice games, no strategy session, nothing. Are you going to fault me for not wanting to be on a team that attempted no preparation or practice for this event?
That's the damn problem with the CCC and the low scoring teams that participate in that event. You slap a team together and just go. It doesn't work that way, it takes time to prepare, analyze the scenarios that can come up, practice with the teammates that are going to be in the matches with you. None of that happened, so I can tell you the outcome. A big waste of time, at least to me. I'm sorry if you don't see it that way, but when I see other teams work hard to succeed in a competitive environment it makes me want to compete on a higher level as well. RaY, the French clans, and especially RUS. All examples of teams that prepare, analyze, and execute.
So, yes, my captains did not prepare jack squat, and that is Mookie included, so I did what I deemed necessary to field a team that has a shot at doing well in this event. I looked at the rosters to see who was available, I asked around, and I mentioned what I was doing to the people I'm around. I suppose I should be sorry for whipping up support and enthusiasm for players who were really non-committed to even participating in this.
If you don't expect people to field competitive teams, then why call it a damn tournament? If you're going to run a competitive event, expect competitive people to play and don't rag on them for trying to do their best to participate to their fullest.
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May 31, 2007 20:47:23 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2007 20:47:23 GMT -5
There is one big problem with this team that non of the other mentioned teams had committed. While some of the other teams were alliances of smaller teams that couldn't gather enough players this time. And some of the teams were additional teams from the same country. Not one of these teams took members from another country to make a totally new team. Therefore if NATO wishes to play in this event as a team they should then take in every other member of the teams that they original took members from to form a true alliance team. I only made the offer and players responded. Willburn did not answer the call and I respect that, he is playing for The Vikings. There is a post in the British Commonwealth team thread where there is an attempt to poach their members. I have done no such thing. I have been looking for other non-committed members, but I've only found one person due to this team forming late. If you can name the teams that we took players from, go ahead and list them. However, due to all the damn outcry. We are coming up with an alternative to stop the complaining. NATO is all about peace and security. I still don't understand all the outcry. If I wanted to hear b itching and crying, I'd jump onto Teamspeak and listen to Metallian.
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May 31, 2007 20:17:15 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2007 20:17:15 GMT -5
What is your problem? Give me a good argument as to why there are objections to this team?
I was part of Team USA, but when I last checked there was a Team America. Not to mention two French teams and a combined Portugal/Turkey team. To top it off, the British Commonwealth was thrown out there. All this was out there, before I registered Team NATO/OTAN.
So give me a good god damn reason as to why there are objections? Any objection would address the issues I just mentioned. If you can't, then I'll leave it to personal prejudice.
It was mentioned before that there were way too many events for this tournament. Well, we're rolling with a team that we know can do well and win. What's the problem with that? If you had put up maybe half the events, there would be no problems for even the smaller countries fielding teams. As it is, we figured out what we needed to win and that's that.
All players reside in NATO member countries. I don't see the problem.
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May 31, 2007 11:47:33 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2007 11:47:33 GMT -5
I'm sorry, we don't believe in the UN, however we do believe in the abilities of NATO. When the Europeans do choose to go to war with us, at least we can kill them and use their own ammo against them.
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May 30, 2007 18:04:48 GMT -5
Post by deyreepher on May 30, 2007 18:04:48 GMT -5
I don't believe in the nation state. I believe in multi-national cooperation and coming together as a world. Over the events of the past few years in my adopted country, I believe I shall enter this event under the guise of NATO.
Here is the roster for NATO for the NCT.
MookieNJ DeyReepher [RaY]Dirk_Pitt Metallian [UN]Pangea [RaY]LordElgis Knupp Pipman Speaker Gogf Krill Rokkitlauncher Mezi Mark_Weston Atlas-RB Phlea Polydeukes
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Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2007 10:41:55 GMT -5
Of course there are not enough members because you made team NATO less than 24 hours ago and made this team less than 12 hours ago. So now people in the US like myself don't play at all. Again good job, you really f**ked this event up for me. In any case, dey does have some points on some of the other rosters. It hardly matters though, with all the events not even a well prepared clan could complete this task. It's enough to play with and have a good time, which is what we will be doing. Any arguments against that? Maybe we can arrange something for the next NCT, if I had realized Team America would have been this disorganized, I would have done something about it, but as I said, I was in the middle of finishing school and moving. I sort of forgot about the NCT until a few days ago. I would have done something about it, had I realized we were closing on the NCT, but it's a bit late to have regrets. Also, one of the biggest stumbling blocks I think Team USA would face is the egos...I think the the American ladder community has quite a few individuals with pretty big egos. 10 Alpha male complexes going at each other....no thanks. You'd have to build a bridge of respect and trust before you try to field an American team with its finest. The French clans, they share a TS server and play mixed clan games versus each other on a regular basis. The last RaY vs I remember was against MOJO. I believe GOD, can be considered a Euro clan? Audrien is European, no?
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Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2007 6:11:38 GMT -5
Team NATO, already has a team thread posted with its roster is in. MookieNJ DeyReepher [RaY]Dirk_Pitt Metallian [UN]Pangea [RaY]LordElgis Knupp Pipman Speaker Gogf Krill Rokkitlauncher Mezi Mark_Weston Atlas-RB Phlea Polydeukes Added Roster - DTA Due to ladder indignation at our roster, we are disbanding this team and reforming it as the Confederate States of America. As much as I hate to, I'm going to have to cut Rokkit and Poly from our roster to avoid any possible soure of objection to this new team. MookieNJ DeyReepher Metallian [UN]Pangea [RaY]LordElgis Knupp Gogf Mezi Atlas-RB cryptococcus EmperorPenguin25 Bonsai ..A..GameTheory Pending due to consolidation of the USA team into CSA. Grilla cryptococcus Sentinel popsursocks [Mojo]ape Hendrix DrShot WorldConqurer libertas [KC]DTA So I've made concessions to the point where our team probably won't be able to play through the entire event due to lack of members. Hopefully, this is enough to quell the objections that are being tossed out. *Cryptococcus added 3 hours before tee time. ** Bonsai & EmperorPenguin25 added 2 hours before tee time, plus pending consolidations.
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Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2007 11:52:56 GMT -5
Team NATO, already has a team thread posted with its roster is in.
MookieNJ DeyReepher [RaY]Dirk_Pitt Metallian [UN]Pangea [RaY]LordElgis Knupp Pipman Speaker Gogf Krill Rokkitlauncher Mezi Mark_Weston Atlas-RB Phlea Polydeukes
Added Roster - DTA
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Post by deyreepher on Jun 2, 2007 1:51:42 GMT -5
I'll play if I'm still allowed to join. I just heard about this 10 minutes ago. You would need to take that up with DTA. You'd be an extremely late entry and I think we're near our quota of 25 players, if we already haven't done so. It doesn't hurt to ask. There are plenty of events to be filled for Saturday and Sunday. We are trying to spread the players out so that everyone who is around can get in some game time.
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Post by deyreepher on May 30, 2007 18:03:04 GMT -5
I withdraw my bid to play with Team USA. I'm sorry, other duties call.
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Post by deyreepher on May 7, 2007 22:24:22 GMT -5
I shall join Team USA.
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Post by deyreepher on Jun 4, 2007 19:17:20 GMT -5
Some tripe here. Worst the counter-poaching allegations, team Canada joined us without even asking for permission and we were hardly going to turn them away. Team Australia came to us after their captain was asked if he'd like to. There wasn't a "free" Australia or Canadian team trying to run independently, so what you're saying is nonsense as has become a theme. Notice also, no-one minded the Latinos, the Vikings or Commonwealth, but they recognised with NATO an attempt to totally ruin the event. u guys might want to join up with british commonwealth. also i believe amethystknight is back to dustydragoon.... civ4players.proboards44.com/index.cgi?board=nc&action=display&thread=1178595186 Call to arms #1. Is Longhorn Australian? Guys, I'm not confident that team GB will be able to really make a go of this Nations cup, so I was wondering if you Aussies would be up for having a "Commonwealth" or "British Commonwealth" team instead and so merging. Any players from Commonwealth countries, such as Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand would be welcome as would other Commonwealth members. I'm discussing this with the team GB people today, but what would you guys think? Given the timezones this cups events cover it'd be great to have both British and Aussies involved. Soo...would Team Australia be up for merging with Team Great Britain and become Team: "The British Commonwealth" or "The Commonwealth"? If we were to merge, we've got a forum to use, plus we'd be able to fill all events comfortably, something I don't think we can manage on our own. civ4players.proboards44.com/index.cgi?board=nc&action=display&thread=1178774671Poach attempt #2. Good call on the Longhorn being Australian thing, so I unjustly said that nobody called him out on that. As for this daft practice thing you're going on about, I won two events with the help of two partners, in fact I had a pretty good strike rate on winning events. Had I not played this cup, team Commonwealth would probably have not gone beyond 10 points, that is a fact, nor team Canada, UK or Australia had they been independent. Why do you think I pulled all the American players from RaY? I knew, that by pulling my teammates, we could do quite decently with little no practice. However, when you toss an individual such as EmperorPenguin into the fray without any sort of practice. You know whatever event he's playing in is a throw away event. That's assuming he shows up in the first place as he bailed on the team twice. You got a few players that you could trust and depend upon, yet when I do the same thing, all sorts of allegations are thrown at me. I love how you think the Commonwealth angle is weak, given the Canada and Australia were founded by Britain. They were our colonies, that evolved to become self-Governing Dominons. Sure they aren't one country, but the precident was set by the Scandanvians and Latinos before our team emerged. Your nonsense goes further when you take the populations of the Commonwealth Nations that participated (Australia, Canada, UK and Singapore), we 'only' had 110 million people to draw from, still a 3rd of the US population and still you weren't content. It is weak. By your logic, the United States of America not a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, though we are actually eligible to be if we bothered to apply for it, we'd be able to combine forces. You used a loophole to boost your numbers to max out your roster. We used the same loophole to field together a small, but team that stood a good shot of winning. Technically, you have a population that consists of 1/4th of the entire human population to pool from. India, which is part of the Commonwealth, itself consists of over 1.2 billion people. There are plenty of UK players on the ladder, because you couldn't pool all of them together, doesn't mean we should take a hit for it. Again, semantics. I draw upon a multi-national organization for inspiration in forming our team and get dinged for it. You guys did it first, yet you're in the right? Makes no sense. The Commonwealth of Nations is a multi-national organization, I don't know how you can see it as anything other than that. Team NATO was your petulent response when America, a country with the most ladder players didn't get it together and you felt you were not going to win. In the end you took over the USA team within CSA, so no team USA in the CCC and the CSA lost to France, which you really don't like. Let's get it right, I took the right approach in terms of trying to field a winning team. I took a look at the situation, saw that it didn't look good and maximized whatever resources I could to field a potentially winning team. What's the problem with that? Are you afraid of competition? This was a competitive event, as I recall. The French earned their win. Am I going to fault them for that? No. I know how the operate, they practice and they practice hard. Why would I fault them for that? That's how players get better. As for the Rokkit thing, I'll quote the great man himself: Perhaps I misunderstood Rokkit. If so, that's my fault and my apologies. I won't call him a liar as I do make mistakes. He was around during the weekend and didn't say a damn thing, but then again, he didn't have to as we took him out of our roster anyhow. What it comes down to is...you didn't want us to field a team capable of winning. There were plenty of calls to force CSA to absorb Team USA, which we did. So what's the problem now? I am pointing out the double standards being applied. I was gracious enough to not pursue the NATO team for the sake of the ladder and you're going to still give me grief without properly addressing the points I address? Ridiculous.
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