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Post by francis089 on Nov 9, 2007 17:59:10 GMT -5
i had a first round match set up with Cachola. We had connection issues, but after 1 hour, got the game started up successfully. In the game, it is medieval, i get my artist, bomb right on his front, and slave out a sizeable stack. 20 turns into the game, Cachola complains about lag, this is the same turn i receive my artist. On 40 turns, i begin to road into Cachola's land, in full knowledge i have a severe unit advantage. to emphasize this point, here is a screenshot of what would have happened 1 turn later if i attacked the city at the beginning of the turn: (I have only horse archers, catapults, axes and chariots in those 2 stacks) Cachola left (he didnt drop, he said "WTF" and left) before i could attack the city, without taking a save. We met up at the lobby, and asked the help of levi in the situation. He offered to flip a coin, but instead decided to play a few turns with each of us, to see if there was lag There was no lag when he played with me. We then tried to reload, but Cachola could not connect to me Levi then told Cachola to host the autosave, 3 turns back. This would mean cachola would know i have lots of units, and can slave out a sizable stack in that period of time instead of, as he explained "expanding", which he had been doing before the leave. I was not happy with this decision, as i had points and tech lead, with a large army moving in, and while Cachola was in the lobby, clearly not rehosting, i argued my point. I was met with a harsh stare, as Levi continued to Copy Paste the same message "Cachola reload the game and francis089 join it". He did not at one point even explain he understood where i was coming from, or reply to any of my messages. At the 3rd time of him posting this message, i said "Levi, shut up and listen to me" He said, "That's it, you are disqualified, Cachola wins, easy as that". He later explained he thought i had said STFU, and at least sworn in the lobby, but i had not. He did not check the chat history before advancing Cachola in the tournament. He later did not apologise, and complained about how the tournament director team gets no gratitude. Is this how the ladder should function? I was winning the game on points, power, position and tech I was not the lagger Cachola quit without saving Cachola cannot connect to me I tell Levi to shut up I am disqualified without warning EDIT, the next round match also had massive problems with connectivity between cachola and ot4e, so this was also possibly not my problem
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Post by alice on Nov 9, 2007 20:39:38 GMT -5
levi is a bunny,
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Post by eiffel on Nov 9, 2007 23:59:26 GMT -5
What about not quitting a game ? what about pausing and asking TD/admin ? This story seems a bit unfair...
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Post by Tony on Nov 10, 2007 0:27:32 GMT -5
Levi often goes on a power trip this is not the first time. I remember before a COT a few months back he was acting like a real ... well himself. The other team was 20 mins late, i simply asked "i thought the grace period was 10 mins" and he started acting like he was the king of the universe.
Its no coincidence he always at the centre of disastrous, biased, decisions.
Levi puts ALOT of time and effort into the ladder, thus making him indispensable - So dont hold your breath.
Cachola is a fair player there is no doubt about this, so i dont think he tried to shaft you, genuine connection problems(lagg or whatever). But I can imagine Levi making attention grabbing "dont talk to me like that" decisions, which I have come to expect from him. He seems to get some kind of pleasure from being the "strict" headmaster.
As i said before the CCC does more for him then he does for the CCC.
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Post by terdaz on Nov 10, 2007 2:56:23 GMT -5
blah blah blah,it's a same old song tony (aka bad looser),take your head out of your ass. levi make a good job
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Post by Ellestar on Nov 10, 2007 3:31:17 GMT -5
Yes, your action number one in case of troubles - IF SOMETHING HAPPENS DON'T QUIT THE GAME. Basically, if you want to quit the game in case of troubles in less than 10 minutes, before contacting the admins, before saving - DON'T. Reloads etc. are unreliable, as you now see. If you want to talk to admins, use Civ4Fans 2007 beta civ4fans.com/. And of course don't forget to save if you actually quit. Even if other player hosts a reload, you still can send him your save from a voting screen or just a manual save via email or something like rapidshare.com Obviously, insist that this save is the latest save and other save shouldn't be used instead of it because reloading earlier save will be like cheating etc. For that reason, don't forget to ask another player a save of which turn he has and don't play if it's an earlier one. If he hosts an earlier save then just quit the game immediately after loading and insist on using your (latest) save (if you don't quit the game will continue and you just allowed a foresight knowledge to your opponent - and you're the only one interested in not allowing it so you should take the action, it will not happen itself). In short, you don't care about yourself = noone cares. Fight for your rights ;D
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Post by nemesis666 on Nov 10, 2007 7:45:08 GMT -5
I really want to see (hear?) levis point
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Post by cryptococcus on Nov 10, 2007 9:13:44 GMT -5
Here is what I saw when they were trying to start the game. Crashola (the known lagger and dropper) and francis the unkown coulnd't connect to one another. So then levi and cachola started asking francis (the unkown) dumb questions about his internet connection. ie. "What type of router do you have?" Francis replies he doesn't have one and crashola starts laughing at him because Francis say he is hard wired. So Crashola decied Francis has dial up because he is a dumb dumb. So then Levi and Crashola continued on with their bias to the unkown civer. You were doomed from the start Francis GG, you won.
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Post by francis089 on Nov 10, 2007 10:36:50 GMT -5
levi has no point of view, when i asked him if i was ejected for saying "shut up" he said i wasnt, so i asked what it was for, and he said for not joining the reload. the reload hadnt been hosted, and was not hosted for at least 10 minutes after the incident.
[APB] withdraw from the CCC due to bad management
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Post by archon on Nov 10, 2007 12:41:59 GMT -5
You got screwed bud.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 10, 2007 15:32:23 GMT -5
Its just a game. Levi been hosting these tournys a long time. If you don't like them, don't play. Nobody pays the people running these. Guessing that ur from France Francis, I know u may be brainwashed into thinking you're "entitled" to Levi's services. However, Levi is not bound by any rules and can do whatever he wants. In the end, he "own's" (meaning belongs to him cause he worked for it) the tourny's he throws. You should thank Levi for running the tournys you play in for free, rather then complain about them like you got ripped off. Maybe you did get totally skrewed francis, but don't let it get to you. And hey, look at the bright side, if you where "unknowen" before, you're known now
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Post by terdaz on Nov 10, 2007 15:39:43 GMT -5
Here is what I saw when they were trying to start the game. Crashola (the known lagger and dropper) and francis the unkown coulnd't connect to one another. So then levi and cachola started asking francis (the unkown) dumb questions about his internet connection. ie. "What type of router do you have?" Francis replies he doesn't have one and crashola starts laughing at him because Francis say he is hard wired. So Crashola decied Francis has dial up because he is a dumb dumb. So then Levi and Crashola continued on with their bias to the unkown civer. You were doomed from the start Francis GG, you won. ;D ;D ;D ;D i vote crypto,for the Pulitzer Prize
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Post by eiffel on Nov 10, 2007 19:29:57 GMT -5
We need some drama during the CCC, it's part of the tradition ;D By the way, those things happen to every clan someday... Hard to manage such an event and at some point a decision has to be taken. That's part of the CCC and i'm sure it wasn't directed to you. No need to widthdraw for that, hope to see you next CCC
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Post by francis089 on Nov 10, 2007 20:28:17 GMT -5
we won't be making a return to this ladder, we will return to our private league.
thanks for the people who tried to make our short stay a pleasant one, i hope from this the community can learn to accept newer players more openly
if there is such bad management every ccc, why play in them.. sure we have to pay for our private league but i'd rather pay for fun than have bother and 4 weeks of looking forward to this crushed in one night
gl to all in future
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 10, 2007 21:43:08 GMT -5
4 weeks of looking forward to this lol, sorry, I don't know why thats funny.
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Post by MMV on Nov 10, 2007 21:43:44 GMT -5
When you bring a ladder game debate to the public forums (which you're not supposed to do) you get public oppinion.
Come back again soon, but remember; when you have a complaint from a game that you were in, follow the rules regarding keeping the "challenge" off the boards and letting the ladder admins work with the TD's to come up with a proper decision in your appeal.
I'm actually surprised this thread wasn't deleted.
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Post by whiplash on Nov 10, 2007 21:55:47 GMT -5
Since when is there a rule like that?
PHOOOOO!
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Post by MMV on Nov 10, 2007 22:11:35 GMT -5
Can an Admin please change the title of this thread to:
"ejection from the Ladder for duplicate accounts"
Thanks in advance, LOL!!
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 10, 2007 23:22:13 GMT -5
Since when is there a rule like that? PHOOOOO! I believe he would be refering to rule 11, "Admins arbitrate disputes..." were it states to let us rule on disputes and not to take then to the lobby, forums etc. But in the end this is a statement by a suspected duplicate account holder, and one from a "clan" that he is the only player ever seen in the lobby this weekend. Another issue that will be under investigation. CS
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Post by deviousdevil on Nov 11, 2007 13:00:47 GMT -5
Did Levi get sent that screenie because there is no-way Cachola could survive that.
If Levi was told Cachola dropped and that was the situation, it should never have resulted in a reload turns back, that game is over as one city elimination.
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