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Post by whois on Nov 20, 2005 0:59:17 GMT -5
Lets face it Fried, you may be able to roll your eyes at me, but I'm not the only one that says these things about the game. The only difference is that I'm good at writing and I have no problem taking your nuts on this forum. The truth is you haven't really proved me wrong in what I've said. This is one of those things where time will prove me right. Oh, and after seeing your saves, I no longer wonder why the game turned out the way it did.
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Post by ghost on Nov 20, 2005 1:41:22 GMT -5
I had an interesting discussion with EON in which I tried to suggest to him to play something other than 1v1 format. I also pointed out that playing just 1 v 1's is unlikely to get you a reputation as a good player. I think we all remember the top 20 player lists from C3c and by far in a way the players that topped the lists, where good all round players in many scenarios. I tried to tell him that the general concensus is specialists don't earn the same sort of reputation as the all rounders, simply because it takes more skill to become proficient at several scenarios. According to EON there's more skill in winning a 1 v 1 than there is an 8 player cton or a future teamer or ffa, or in fact having a good record in all of them. I'm not sure I'd go along with that at all. 1 v 1's are very 1 dimensional and frankly IMO take less skill to master than all the others put together by a long stretch. There are players out there who have very consistent win records in many scenarios, from my personal point of view I'd say they were better players. Anyway, what do you think? Is EON right is the true test of player skill the duel mirror 1v1? have to agree with you here sidhe. 1v1 are pretty easy to win to a cton game. 1v1 all u got to worry bout is 1 player. mirror map isn't good cause pretty much u just go to other side of map from where u started. you know what resourses they have and u know what to expect from the other without scouting there land. yes it gives a equal start to each but wheres the skill in just scouting your land and knowing what they have. pretty much its who gets a faster tech rate down thats going to win the game. now in a cton game u got to defend 2 sometimes 3 different enemys. plus u never know what to expect from any of them. in ctons u got to scout there land out and keep a sentrynet up and running.plus keep a good amount of defense while building your offense up. not saying it don't take any skill to win a 1v1,but it takes a little more skill to win a cton game then a 1v1 just cause u r facing more oppents plus u never know which side a attack is coming from and when it will happen. in 1v1 u know who is going to attack you. plus with mirror map u know what to expect from them.
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Post by Sidhe on Nov 20, 2005 5:16:05 GMT -5
Personally I thought the combat system in civ2 lacked any realism and was stupid, civ3's combat was widely believed to be better and the game in general less bug free and exploitable. Yes I know doesn't seem possible. I think this is perhaps your issue, nothing is ever going to live up to CIVII albeit that you seem to be in a minority about how great it was, not playing multiplayer I'll have to take your word for it. Yes it was a good game. I personally think Civ3 was better. Also I'd say if you actually tried playing different formats you wouldn't be saying how easy it is. If you can consistently win in cton, ffa etc. Then you will quickly get to the top of the table or infinitely more important get a reputation, if not your just a 1 trick pony. And I'm sorry but the multiplayer experience is going to be a very dull one. This was c3c's strength all the different scenarios. You really are gonna be missing out on alot, still that's your choice.
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Post by yilar on Nov 20, 2005 7:35:48 GMT -5
1v1 mirror is more like chess. Almost 100% skill. Where cton is more like no-limit poker. 30% luck and 70% skill
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Post by Sidhe on Nov 20, 2005 9:21:02 GMT -5
No ones saying there isn't a higher skill level, but to actually win a cton outright is always going to be harder, and as we all know the 30% luck evens out in the long run. I guess the point is I'd rather play chess and poker than just chess, maybe a game of Bridge thrown in for good measure.
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Post by MMV on Nov 20, 2005 10:08:57 GMT -5
from admin avogradro two weeks ago:
"I had taken away your posting privileges for 7 days because of the flaming nature of your posts. Now I see that less then 24 hours later you sneak back in under a different alias to post on the boards. I am giving you a second week vacation for pasting and am blocking you access to the forum via your playing ip. I strongly suggest you do not find another way to enter the forum and should you manage to do so I would doubly suggest you refrain from any posting until the 19th of November[/i]."
.... and starting before noon on the day back from his "Administrative Leave," he continues exactly where he left off - SIX bemeaning posts of the good old days comparing them to when he remembers "back when there were no remotes for television - we had to walk clear across the room to change the channel" with "I'm the only one who can see what's really wrong and I'm the only one who can really fix it, yada yada yada."
For the admins - I'm not trying to be uncivil - but after the same song played by the same artist, coming from the same jukebox AGAIN - EyesOfNight, StarlightDeath (suspended), chevelle971 (double suspended), and now whois[/i] IN JUST FOUR WEEKS - can we get rid of the jukebox and go with a DJ?
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Post by yilar on Nov 20, 2005 10:26:35 GMT -5
No ones saying there isn't a higher skill level, but to actually win a cton outright is always going to be harder, and as we all know the 30% luck evens out in the long run. I guess the point is I'd rather play chess and poker than just chess, maybe a game of Bridge thrown in for good measure. Well if you're going to compare the 2. You would have to win 6x1v1 straight for it to match a 7 player cton... In cton you can always get lucky and the others fight each other. You can't do that in 1v1. The only luck is wether or not your units lose or win. But i agree with you about it being more fun to play both
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Post by sparta on Nov 20, 2005 12:38:22 GMT -5
I'm actually getting pretty bored of the game already to be honest. I feel right now the way I did in Age of empires 2 a month ago when the game finally died after 8 years and I felt like I had done everything in the game there was to do. I'm feeling this way on a game that has only been out about a month. I'm not the only one that feels that way either. As I talk to more and more people I'm finding I'm not the only one seeing the problems in this game. If I hadn't joined NoD I probably wouldn't play this game anymore because I've gotten bored of seeing how high a skill rating or how good a win percentage I can get since that was the only thing left that I felt there was some sort of challenge in. Even though I'm winning, I don't feel like I'm doing anything special or something that someone else can't do very easily; I just figured it out before they did. Alot of people say there's no magic in the game, or no mystique, or no secret. You guys tried so hard to simplify the game that you took all the fun right out of it. I'll still play the game, if only because I enjoy playing with NoD, but I'll probably become one of those people who plays a game every 3-5 days. This game just doesn't have it. I would rather lose every day and wonder how I lost than winning every day and not feeling like I'm doing something special. I guess in the end...where's the magic? Please use paragraphs
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Post by WarningU2 on Nov 27, 2005 11:23:53 GMT -5
Paragraphs ! You have to be kidding ... this is a wonderful note. You should see some of the emails and mailroom complaints I get. They often have no capitalization, nor sentence structure, periods or commas. Often it's not even English, even for those whose 1st language is English. It's Intenet babble with some ghetto-speak that becomes almost incomprehensible. I really feel for teachers. Anways off topic ... lets go back to flaming whoever he is.
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