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Post by DustyDragoon on Nov 3, 2006 16:22:18 GMT -5
Come back to Civ3players Whip. The forums are dead there without you Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!!! I've been to the C3P forums boring is not what I'd call them CS Liar, Liar, Pants On Fire............... ?? Got to think that CS must be standing too close to those great Canadian Subs wwe got and is inhaling the fumes.
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Post by DustyDragoon on Nov 3, 2006 16:36:06 GMT -5
Bantams, nice idea if it would work. But I really don't beleive it could. There are far too many people out there that would make you beleive that they would be great as an admin, but as soon as you gave them the power they could completely destoy the ladder in no time at all. Let the admins figure out who would and who would not fit the bill. And beleive me your input and others does give them a heads up as to who may or may not be a good admin. They are watching when you don't even know they are there. Listening to the retoric of someone like Whiplash, ( who did his best to try to destroy Civ3players with the same kind of talk, went out started his own ladder with the help of a few others, and that fell apart) is a foolish move and will not help this ladder by any means. SPM, CS, Magzi, and DTA all know how to keep this ladder running and I am sure are doing thier best to get speaker and AOE on line, but there is alot to learn so you must be patient. Keep stating your feelings though (I don't wish to say you should just follow them blindly) and keep them on the up and up as you have been doing in the past. I am sure that in the past you, me and all others have not seen eye to eye with admin decisions, but that does not mean that what you have said has not been taken into consideration. Just my oppinion Dusty
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Post by DustyDragoon on Nov 3, 2006 16:45:46 GMT -5
Hey Avo Get back here to civ4 so I can have a chance to kick the great Avogadro Butt LOL
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Post by Bantams on Nov 3, 2006 18:44:02 GMT -5
This poll wasnt done in the intention of creating a new admin team as I said before It would be nice if the ladder was a democracy but that aint gona happen so gl hf all p.s. wheres the cheapest place for me to get some c o c k l e s
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Post by whiplash on Nov 3, 2006 19:18:33 GMT -5
Listening to the retoric of someone like Whiplash, ( who did his best to try to destroy Civ3players with the same kind of talk, went out started his own ladder with the help of a few others, and that fell apart) is a foolish move and will not help this ladder by any means. Dusty Your opinion is based upon much misinformation. I never tried to "destroy" Civ3players and I never started another ladder. I don't think you were even around during those difficult times, so you should keep your mouth (fingers) shut when you don't know the story. As to my rhetoric (note the proper spelling) I think my opinion should carry some weight as I've been around for quite some time and I have witnessed, and have been the victim of, admin abuse arising from the power of the oligarthy. The idea that only the "anointed" can keep the ladder running smoothly is a fairy tale.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 3, 2006 20:33:18 GMT -5
Well Whip you had your chance to be part of the team and change things from the inside, but you insisted on taking your case to the court of public opinion time and time again without so much as even telling me you had a beef. That is the only issue I have ever had with you. Otherwise I had great respect for the work you did as HTD.
The admin team has many differing opinions on many issues, but we keep that private as professional leaders should, which I guess that is a idea you don't subcribe too as well.
You maintain the premise that we abuse our power because we can, and that we can't act differently because the system inherently flawed. Well I disagree with that completely. We are similar to a benelovent monarchy, and our continued rule depends entirely on our fair but strong rule of law. I will say for a fact that running a highly dynamic online gaming community, is a act of balancing a house of cards in an earth quake, and can only be done by a dedicated team of people.
If you really think that you can do a better job with a better system then feel free to offer the players that option, I don't fear competition, they have only ever proved how special this community really is.
CS
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Post by MMV on Nov 3, 2006 21:08:12 GMT -5
someone doesn't think DD was around for that....
someone has a bad memory, very very bad.
this is the effect of the "sour-grapes" winery, -5 unhappiness
let's not take this thread in that direction please for a "democratically elected" admin board was what was a VERY few wanted, yet caused so much hate and discontent when it was created.
Then it died
(a very very bad death)
as the poll in this thread indicates, a clear 75% (so far) voted to let admins be admins.
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Post by whiplash on Nov 3, 2006 22:48:28 GMT -5
You maintain the premise that we abuse our power because we can, and that we can't act differently because the system inherently flawed. Well I disagree with that completely. We are similar to a benelovent monarchy, and our continued rule depends entirely on our fair but strong rule of law. I will say for a fact that running a highly dynamic online gaming community, is a act of balancing a house of cards in an earth quake, and can only be done by a dedicated team of people. Great theory, but fails in practise. The "strong rule of law" has not always been fair. I've never had a problem with you; but no way is the ladder "leadership" even close to "fair".
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Post by whiplash on Nov 3, 2006 23:02:02 GMT -5
someone doesn't think DD was around for that.... someone has a bad memory, very very bad. Was he? I don't recall any contribution from him during that time. I'm not trying to take the thread in any "direction". I'm just reacting to what others have posted. Fine, than let it be so. But 20 votes hardly means much.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 4, 2006 0:03:52 GMT -5
You maintain the premise that we abuse our power because we can, and that we can't act differently because the system inherently flawed. Well I disagree with that completely. We are similar to a benelovent monarchy, and our continued rule depends entirely on our fair but strong rule of law. I will say for a fact that running a highly dynamic online gaming community, is a act of balancing a house of cards in an earth quake, and can only be done by a dedicated team of people. Great theory, but fails in practise. The "strong rule of law" has not always been fair. I've never had a problem with you; but no way is the ladder "leadership" even close to "fair". Well I guess we can just agree to diagree on that issue, but I'm curious that you didn't chose to comment on any of my other statements........ CS
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 4, 2006 0:14:58 GMT -5
Fine, than let it be so. But 20 votes hardly means much. I would agree with that, it's not even a real representation of the forum regulars, but if people can't be bothered to comment on the topic then I would venture to say that it's not a burning issue at all and therefore the current system fills the needs of the majority of ladderites or I would think they would use this oppurtunity to voice there opinions. And since we have had an average of 615 match per day over the last 7 days and marked increase lately , I'd would surmise that people are happyly enjoying the service we provide. CS
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Post by Bantams on Nov 4, 2006 2:52:08 GMT -5
Fine, than let it be so. But 20 votes hardly means much. And since we have had an average of 615 match per day over the last 7 days and marked increase lately CS Is that Including the BL Clan Reports ? and I agree this thread was created under the influence of C O C K L E S so you may remove it now or whenever Bantams
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Post by whiplash on Nov 4, 2006 7:10:25 GMT -5
Great theory, but fails in practise. The "strong rule of law" has not always been fair. I've never had a problem with you; but no way is the ladder "leadership" even close to "fair". Well I guess we can just agree to diagree on that issue, but I'm curious that you didn't chose to comment on any of my other statements........ CS I chose to not do so because I don't wanna drag all the dirty C3P laundry into this forum.
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Post by DustyDragoon on Nov 4, 2006 8:11:42 GMT -5
someone doesn't think DD was around for that.... someone has a bad memory, very very bad. It's called selective memory MMV. Not that he don't remember, he just does not wish to. I left Civ3 due to alot of the crap he spouted and don't really wish to see the same here. If you don't like this ladder and how it is run Whiplash, go start your own again and have fun doing it. Maybe all the players from Civ4players will join and give you a headache.
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Post by MMV on Nov 4, 2006 8:20:18 GMT -5
It wasn't C3P laundry before, it was the laundry of a few individuals and you've been taking it with you everywhere you go for nearly 9 months.
C3P was the first place that dirty laundry was aired; then a new ladder was created specifically FOR that laundry even though you were still doing laundry in C3P.
Good God, there was dirty laundry EVERYWHERE, lol!
No one actually "tended" to the laundry at C3V so the laundry became overwhelming and they brought TWICE as much laundry back into C3P (and of course, all laundry stopped at C3V shortly there after).
Who would have guessed (besides most the ladder) that offering them a choice (as was claimed) would end up with them MAKING a choice and leaving C3V.
Laundry of many kinds continues to be aired in C3P with occasional special laundry leaking it's way into C4P.
The entire ISSUE was and IS laundry and it's just not something that going to be done.
Whip, you wet your own bed and continue to lay in it.
Eventually, that laundry will have to be cleaned tool as it's gone WAY past the "bad smell" stage.
In other words - get over it FINALLY please (I suggest new sheets)
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Post by Magzi on Nov 4, 2006 8:49:43 GMT -5
To my mind, it's not even worth arguing about. If becoming an admin became a popularity contest, it wouldn't be for me! I don't have a lot of time or inclination to spend it trying to justify a position that holds no merits bar trying to keep a free multiplayer game ladder running. As it is, it doesn't take a huge amount of time, we have a few subjects that come up occasionally for discussion and I (and I assume the others) answer a few posts or YIM's from people with small queries or want to know how to join the ladder etc I do it because I like the game and even now, while I don't have as much playing time, I like to feel part of it.
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Post by rokkitlauncher on Nov 4, 2006 12:00:09 GMT -5
whats the difference between saying 'no' and saying 'leave it to the admins'
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 4, 2006 12:03:53 GMT -5
Good question.
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Post by whiplash on Nov 4, 2006 12:49:44 GMT -5
whats the difference between saying 'no' and saying 'leave it to the admins' ya, it's a poorly phrased question.
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Post by whiplash on Nov 4, 2006 12:53:07 GMT -5
someone doesn't think DD was around for that.... someone has a bad memory, very very bad. It's called selective memory MMV. Not that he don't remember, he just does not wish to. I left Civ3 due to alot of the crap he spouted and don't really wish to see the same here. If you don't like this ladder and how it is run Whiplash, go start your own again and have fun doing it. Maybe all the players from Civ4players will join and give you a headache. I don't know how many times I have to say this. Maybe one more for good measure: I NEVER STARTED ANOTHER LADDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, I'M NOT BRINGING ANYTHING HERE!!!!!!!!!! I merely commented on the poll and responded to some misinformation that was posted. Apparently, the misinformation will continue to be posted. Very few who feel the need to comment really know what happened over there.
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