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Post by longhorn on Oct 12, 2006 13:42:08 GMT -5
Tony and any others, you seem to miss the point that this is a way of "cheating". And if a person is not bothered by one way of cheating others then why not carry on and find or do other cheating as well? Little cheat or big cheat, I really don't care how you catorgorize it, it is still a cheat. This draws into question the morals and honour of the person cheating, and I question do we really want this sort on the ladder? For those of you that are just dieing to know who I am talking about feel free to email me, but I will not post names here. ****************** Wow: Judge, jury and executioner DD? Since when does unsportsmanlike conduct equate to cheating? I (gasp) agree with Tony and Knupp on this issue. The only reason I can see anyone even getting remotely upset about a non-issue like this is because they are complete rank-whorz. Equating resetting stats to immorality and dishonour... well is just laughable. Using that logic people who can pick a better team than their opponent are cheaters, people who can fastmove and chose to do so, are cheaters, if you open a 3 city front in a teamer- you could quite possibly effect the rank of players on your team- which makes you dishonourable, working a floodplain when you should have been working corn- thats just plain immoral.
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Post by DustyDragoon on Oct 12, 2006 14:23:56 GMT -5
Tony and any others, you seem to miss the point that this is a way of "cheating". And if a person is not bothered by one way of cheating others then why not carry on and find or do other cheating as well? Little cheat or big cheat, I really don't care how you catorgorize it, it is still a cheat. This draws into question the morals and honour of the person cheating, and I question do we really want this sort on the ladder? For those of you that are just dieing to know who I am talking about feel free to email me, but I will not post names here. ****************** Wow: Judge, jury and executioner DD? Since when does unsportsmanlike conduct equate to cheating? I (gasp) agree with Tony and Knupp on this issue. The only reason I can see anyone even getting remotely upset about a non-issue like this is because they are complete rank-whorz. Equating resetting stats to immorality and dishonour... well is just laughable. Using that logic people who can pick a better team than their opponent are cheaters, people who can fastmove and chose to do so, are cheaters, if you open a 3 city front in a teamer- you could quite possibly effect the rank of players on your team- which makes you dishonourable, working a floodplain when you should have been working corn- thats just plain immoral. Of course longhorn, who the hell am I to state anything that might cause problems on the ladder. I appologize for my blatant stupidity on this matter and shall say no more.
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Post by Arvcran on Oct 12, 2006 16:11:07 GMT -5
Some time more than one person can be right when arguing! Resetting stats does affect results of any reports made by an individual that reset his or her stats. It affects resulting rank and resulting skill from the report. But I would be willing to bet that most people reset stats for the following reasons: - They do not want to be chosen captain in teamer games because captains are selected based on the rank
- The wish to change stats record of win loss or not show how many games they play
I doubt this can be considered cheating. Besides resetting stats is a 'privilege' feature of gold members of case ladder. Who can argue with that?
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Post by longhorn on Oct 12, 2006 17:28:13 GMT -5
[/quote] Of course longhorn, who the hell am I to state anything that might cause problems on the ladder. I appologize for my blatant stupidity on this matter and shall say no more. [/quote] DD my sincerest apologies if my opinion of your opinion makes you fell that I don't think your opinions are welcome. I do, and I hope you continue to post. Maybe next time I might actually agree with you, hence can upgrade my to ;D . Always all the best, -lh
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Post by Tony on Oct 12, 2006 18:23:28 GMT -5
DD without being rude, i really think you take people disagreeing with you very bad!
Every thread you start ends with you getting annoyed and possiblly even quitting the ladder!
You think its lame and "cheating" other dont agree to disagree!
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Post by DustyDragoon on Oct 12, 2006 20:17:18 GMT -5
Getting annoyed at being misquoted at least 4 times(one of them being one of my own clan mates), being called a "rank whorz" and laughable(by an adm), nah I should not get annoyed. I never stated that resetting stats was cheating, what I stated was that after losing a game, reset your stats and then report, was. Don't know how much cleared I can make this. 1. John Q entered game ranked 32 on ladder. 2. John Q loses game 3. John Q resets stats so rank is now 394 4. John Q reports losses of previos game. therefore denying any of the winners of that game a clear ladder boost. Is this not breaking the ladder rules? And when you break rules with the intent to disrupt other players, is that not cheating? And when an admin states it is not, especially after another stated it was, is that not a reason to be concerned? I leave it to you. PS I did not take your comments as being rude or offensive Tony.
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Post by Arvcran on Oct 12, 2006 21:36:15 GMT -5
Ok - I have read the entire thread this time.
So I realize I repeated others' comments regarding why they reset stats and wither it is a legitimate feature to use.
I also now understand the reason for the post in the first place - so from now on I will only reply to threads that I have followed or caught up to.
Dusty is just trying to make a point about a method of denying someone skill and rank increases. Which btw are used in CCC determination of 1st choice of civs on first day I might point out.
Canuck has made it clear it is not an accepted practice to reset before a report and I think this is enough to satisfy what I understand to be the issue (at least I think so anyway).
Wither a person has done it intentionally on a one particular example of this 'practice' is another question. I would hope that we can all give players the benefit of doubt that they are not intentionally cheating.
I am inclined to think resetting stats is ... well contrary to telling the truth - but how important is it anyway ... I have the privilege but have not yet taken advantage of it :-D
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Post by Arvcran on Oct 12, 2006 21:39:42 GMT -5
other dont agree to disagree! So they agree too? *maybe it is late* ;-D
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Post by Arvcran on Oct 12, 2006 21:46:26 GMT -5
Getting annoyed at being misquoted at least 4 times(one of them being one of my own clan mates) I don't recall quoting you - did I? I did however neglect to read your first post *slaps forehead* That post I made was not directed at your issue (I agree with you 100% as does Canuck) but resetting stats in general. Hope this clears any misunderstandings *shrug* I think I am going to write a song "The Benefit of Doubt."
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Post by MMV on Oct 12, 2006 22:21:56 GMT -5
1. John Q entered game ranked 32 on ladder. 2. John Q loses game 3. John Q resets stats so rank is now 394 4. John Q reports losses of previos game. therefore denying any of the winners of that game a clear ladder boost. if JohnQ entered game ranked 32 on ladder, then JohnQ loses game and resets before reporting, how is JohnQ's rank now 394? the worst rank I've ever seen is 759, any number larger shows as N/A (meaning stats have just been reset) If he had just reset stats his rank would have been N/A until people reported to him Doesn't look (by that example) that JohnQ reset his stats (unless there's a clever way of only resetting half your stats) or was that a bad example you gave?
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Post by MookieNJ on Oct 12, 2006 22:27:27 GMT -5
Heh, I think it was just an example to show that a report from rank 34 is more valuable than a report from rank 394 (or rank N/A or rank 759 or whatever).
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Post by DustyDragoon on Oct 12, 2006 22:40:56 GMT -5
Heh, I think it was just an example to show that a report from rank 34 is more valuable than a report from rank 394 (or rank N/A or rank 759 or whatever). Yea what he said
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Post by MMV on Oct 12, 2006 23:30:23 GMT -5
lol - ah ok, thought you were using the example of the "oh so nameless one" that you were referring to.
I also thought the numbers difference could have been the canadian exchange rate thing; or that STUPID metric system.
I hate "word" problems anyway, lol
i.e. if JonQ had 100 ladderbux before the game and his rank was 35, but had to submit loss reports to 9 people with equal rank but less ladderbux, what color was his losing civ?
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Post by zzZhenon on Oct 13, 2006 1:12:12 GMT -5
l i.e. if JonQ had 100 ladderbux before the game and his rank was 35, but had to submit loss reports to 9 people with equal rank but less ladderbux, what color was his losing civ? gandhi purple?
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Post by Bantams on Oct 13, 2006 6:59:39 GMT -5
I have to say i agree with DD on this one if for example mettalian was rank 1 and played say Tony in a 1 v 1 and lost then reset his stats before reporting im pretty sure that would piss tony right off
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Post by Lestat on Oct 13, 2006 7:38:15 GMT -5
Reset stat before report is lame. Other reseting is private matter but only after reporting.
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Post by longhorn on Oct 13, 2006 8:40:44 GMT -5
Getting annoyed at being misquoted at least 4 times(one of them being one of my own clan mates), being called a "rank whorz" and laughable(by an adm), nah I should not get annoyed. I never stated that resetting stats was cheating, what I stated was that after losing a game, reset your stats and then report, was. Don't know how much cleared I can make this. 1. John Q entered game ranked 32 on ladder. 2. John Q loses game 3. John Q resets stats so rank is now 394 4. John Q reports losses of previos game. therefore denying any of the winners of that game a clear ladder boost. Is this not breaking the ladder rules? And when you break rules with the intent to disrupt other players, is that not cheating? And when an admin states it is not, especially after another stated it was, is that not a reason to be concerned? I leave it to you. PS I did not take your comments as being rude or offensive Tony. Here we go again: 1) You accuse me of misquoting you and calling 'you' a rank whorz. Read it again, because you are doing the same to me- I used the term rank-whorz.. never called anyone specific individual one. I said I could only see that type of mentality as a reason for something. 2) mY argument was with you equating unsportsmanlike conduct with cheating, dishonor and immorality. period. 3) I never said whether certain activities did or didnt violtate ladder rules. But I would agrue that violating a ladder rule doesnt make somone immoral or dishonourable. 4) I am entitled to my own opinion as you are yours. Even if I disagreed with CS (which I didn't intend to address his comments at all, least of all disagree with them) It wouldn't prevent me from enforcing the ladder rules. I think Im done with this topic now. I will dilligentlywork to be more cautious and try not to form my own opinions in the future. Maybe you can tell me what my opinion should be.
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Post by Arvcran on Oct 13, 2006 8:50:06 GMT -5
i.e. if JonQ had 100 ladderbux before the game and his rank was 35, but had to submit loss reports to 9 people with equal rank but less ladderbux, what color was his losing civ? Answer: Same color as Napoleon's white horse
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Post by DustyDragoon on Oct 13, 2006 9:32:34 GMT -5
lol - ah ok, thought you were using the example of the "oh so nameless one" that you were referring to. I also thought the numbers difference could have been the canadian exchange rate thing; or that STUPID metric system. I hate "word" problems anyway, lol i.e. if JonQ had 100 ladderbux before the game and his rank was 35, but had to submit loss reports to 9 people with equal rank but less ladderbux, what color was his losing civ? Purple with pink polka dots
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Post by Bantams on Oct 13, 2006 9:42:18 GMT -5
i.e. if JonQ had 100 ladderbux before the game and his rank was 35, but had to submit loss reports to 9 people with equal rank but less ladderbux, what color was his losing civ? Bright Red as in DEAD
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