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Post by Tony on Oct 10, 2006 13:30:27 GMT -5
yeah, maybe my examples werent too good, but you know what i mean. Only if the win is gonna get you in a considerablly better rank is this thread a issue and as far as i know this has not happen to date!
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Post by knupp on Oct 10, 2006 14:03:21 GMT -5
I know 3 people who reset their stats, including myself. I've never reset before I reported, and I've never seen anybody do that before. I don't reset that frequently. Only when I don't feel like captaining. And to people saying I (or anybody else who PAYS and gets the PRIVELEDGE to reset their stats) does so just to hide a bad win% i'd have to say you have no idea what you are talking about. I've reset when I was #1 with over a 2150 skill rating and an 90% win record. People want to post about how they don't think this should be allowed? Well I payed my $20 and I got what I payed for. Either deal with it or email cases ladder system asking for a change.
Btw I still haven't seen a good reason why resetting shouldn't be allowed. Can somebody plz tell me?
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Post by scoticus on Oct 10, 2006 15:25:12 GMT -5
It's not like it's just the premium members doing the stat resetting. I've seen several times in the lobby where a non-premium member gets an admin to reset their stats. Although this doesn't happen as often.
As far as resetting before reporting, I haven't seen anyone do this, unless this has been going on recently.
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Post by zzZhenon on Oct 10, 2006 21:54:16 GMT -5
I think Nero is the only exception to the rule. He honorably reports all games, and, as in the previous thread still has over 55% rating. Ironclad also has well over a 50% rating, as reported in the same thread as Nero's rating, and he honorably reports all his games too. No reset, report, reset nonsense. He may reset more frequently, but it is his right from Case's Ladder as he did pay for it. Oh I didn't know he reset often. I think Nero is the only exception to the rule. He honorably reports all games, and, as in the previous thread still has over 55% rating. I don't understand this quote. Nero is the only player that reports all his matches? I thought most players reported all their matches. I'm pretty sure I have. I was referring to this statement, thank you.
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Post by MookieNJ on Oct 11, 2006 1:55:55 GMT -5
Speaking of resetting stats, lately I have seen a lot of people withdrawing and immediately rejoining, I'm guessing so that they can reset their stats. Two people so far today! Don't you have to wait 15 days to rejoin?
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Post by MMV on Oct 11, 2006 5:13:15 GMT -5
I'm not definately for sure, but I think in most of those that show "xxxx withdrew" immediately followed by "xxxx joined" on the daily results is a player requested admin stat reset.
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Post by Tony on Oct 11, 2006 7:15:53 GMT -5
Im just wondering, but what is the point of the 15 day rule?
Maybe i havnt thought this through but i would just scrap the rule altogether, or reduce it to like 2 days. Am i missing something?
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 11, 2006 9:30:45 GMT -5
I'm not definately for sure, but I think in most of those that show "xxxx withdrew" immediately followed by "xxxx joined" on the daily results is a player requested admin stat reset. No when an Admin resets stats you won't see anything special. These people are most likely people that do not realize that you can simply ask an admin to reset your stats so they quit and rejoin, also not realizing that they are breaking the rules. We have that rule to keep people from quiting to avoid a report and then rejoining a couple days later. I'll have a look at the dailly reports later when I get home, and send a couple emails emphazing what can happen if you continue to ingnore specific rules. CS CS
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Post by everybodysdarling on Oct 11, 2006 10:50:12 GMT -5
In some cases withdrawing from ladder has a more deeper reason, than just to reset the stats.
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Post by DustyDragoon on Oct 11, 2006 21:07:43 GMT -5
Tony and any others, you seem to miss the point that this is a way of "cheating". And if a person is not bothered by one way of cheating others then why not carry on and find or do other cheating as well? Little cheat or big cheat, I really don't care how you catorgorize it, it is still a cheat. This draws into question the morals and honour of the person cheating, and I question do we really want this sort on the ladder? For those of you that are just dieing to know who I am talking about feel free to email me, but I will not post names here.
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Post by knupp on Oct 11, 2006 21:58:54 GMT -5
How is resetting your stats cheating?
If somebody starts a game and then resets, reports, then resets again after that game then yes I'd agree this is not fair. But CS already said anybody who does this will be penalized.
Are you saying resetting your stats at any time is cheating?
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Post by MMV on Oct 12, 2006 0:08:02 GMT -5
In some cases withdrawing from ladder has a more deeper reason, than just to reset the stats. partially withdrawing at the wrong time can lead to frustration for more than one person. either fully withdraw or get in deep and stay there.
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Post by Necrominousss on Oct 12, 2006 0:52:23 GMT -5
How does resetting and reporting help the player? Why would anyone do that? What am I not understanding? I can understand why someone might get on a loosing streak, then reset after reporting to get a fresh start by resetting, but not the other way around. Did this player do it just to stick it to the people he was playing against due to a factor in the game? I need more information to make a diagnosis.
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Post by [KC]Bopper on Oct 12, 2006 10:51:26 GMT -5
Anybody pick up on the post by everybodysdarling? I know that he has withdrawn from ladder, but his post earlier in this thread leaves me wondering if there is another unaddressed issue. I hate to see a great player and a cool conversationalist withdraw for issues that aren't clear.
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Post by DustyDragoon on Oct 12, 2006 12:26:32 GMT -5
How is resetting your stats cheating? If somebody starts a game and then resets, reports, then resets again after that game then yes I'd agree this is not fair. But CS already said anybody who does this will be penalized. Are you saying resetting your stats at any time is cheating? LOL Knupp that is what I have said at least 2 times now. They have reset after game and before reporting. As to resetting stats as you say you do, I don't really care. Think you are cheating yourself by doing so but as to the ladder itself I don't think it really matters. Just does not give you a true indicator as to how you are developing as a player. So who ya fooling by constantly resetting your stats? If you are resetting because (as a couple have stated) you don't wish to captain in a teamer, then say so and decline. I don't beleive that is against the rules. Reasons why I feel you should not are. 1. False indicator to any "Noob" that you are a new player. 2. Removes any idea as to how well you were playing before to any one who has played the game for a small amount of time or who has not played recently. 3. Gives you an easy boost in ladder ratings at the start, and gives your opponents non. Just my feelings
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Post by DustyDragoon on Oct 12, 2006 12:36:10 GMT -5
How does resetting and reporting help the player? Why would anyone do that? What am I not understanding? I can understand why someone might get on a loosing streak, then reset after reporting to get a fresh start by resetting, but not the other way around. Did this player do it just to stick it to the people he was playing against due to a factor in the game? I need more information to make a diagnosis. As to why the last person did it, I don't know Necro as he/she has as of yet to reply to my email I sent them. I can only guess it was because they did not wish anyone in that game to receive a considerable boost in ranking due to his/her ranking before the loss. This person was in a game with 7 others and most of them were "Noobs" or at least lower ranked like myself. They quit early in the game without stating why. We waited a considerable time in lobby because it was a player who I was familiar with and did not beleive the others that he/she just quit due to a bad start. I have as I stated, emailed asking for a reason as to why he/she dropped and why he/she reported after changing stats (was in the top 30 before game) and have received no reply to this date. It was a player that before this game, I thought was an honourable player (not that they give a dam as to what I think). Hope this helps your dilemma. DustyDragoon
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Post by Lestat on Oct 12, 2006 13:10:33 GMT -5
In some cases withdrawing from ladder has a more deeper reason, than just to reset the stats. Hmmm...are u played nasty teamer?
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Post by longhorn on Oct 12, 2006 13:15:55 GMT -5
Anybody pick up on the post by everybodysdarling? I know that he has withdrawn from ladder, but his post earlier in this thread leaves me wondering if there is another unaddressed issue. I hate to see a great player and a cool conversationalist withdraw for issues that aren't clear. Bopper- What I think he meant was, sometimes people withdraw for personal reasons that have nothing to do with Civ or ladder itself. -lh
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Post by churchill1 on Oct 12, 2006 13:28:23 GMT -5
Anybody pick up on the post by everybodysdarling? I know that he has withdrawn from ladder, but his post earlier in this thread leaves me wondering if there is another unaddressed issue. I hate to see a great player and a cool conversationalist withdraw for issues that aren't clear. Bopper- What I think he meant was, sometimes people withdraw for personal reasons that have nothing to do with Civ or ladder itself. -lh Ys that was the impression I got. I think he was feeling philisophical, perhaps suggesting there are more important issues than stat re-setters.
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Post by knupp on Oct 12, 2006 13:41:03 GMT -5
I don't reset stats because I want to hide any skills I may or may not have. Most people have their own opinion of whether somebody is a good player or not. I think I've been around long enough for people to know me so I reset so I don't have to capt. I'd rather just go afk for 10 min while everybody else argues in staging then have to deal with it all. A respected player eh? Hm... I need to email you to hear the juicy gossip. ;D
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