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Post by knupp on Sept 28, 2006 21:59:35 GMT -5
I'm pissed. I've had it with people quitting games when they are losing or not having fun. The past few weeks there has been a wave of this utter bullsh*t every single game.
1) People quitting because they have noobs on there team.
Either deal with it or don't play with people on your DNP list!
2) People quitting because they feel like it.
I don't care if you're not winning. Quit you can expect to get a non-report from me.
Why this thread? Today I played a game. I have horrible land, 3 food resources in all of my land and no flood plains except at my capital. Horrible crap. My teammate on the front has 1 food resource, a plains cow IN ALL OF HIS LAND. He is still able to almost kill the other guy but got horribly unlucky and lost 4/5 50/50's. The other team sends all their units south and lose a 5vs3 battle. I've sent all my cavs south and now that we've killed all of their units there is little chance for him to survive. Even if we didn't get the city we would've got liberalism and won the game.
But what happens? 3 of the 5 people on the other team quit. For no given reason. They just say we need subs, got to go.
I'm bringing this bull childish behaviour to the forums now that it's happened again.
I think people are starting to get a heightened sense of their skillz. Or maybe they don't want to ruin their stats. Either way, they think they can quit whenever the fu*k they feel like it. Once one person on a team does it everyone else jumps on the bandwagon and it ruins games.
Have I needed subs into games? Sure I have. I think I've had to get a sub 3-5 times for myself, all neccessary. I don't quit a game and say I need a sub because I'm hungry, need to take a shower, don't feel like playing, sick of civ, this noob took all my land, this noob doesn't know what he's doing. Yes that's right these are all excuses you hear. And it isn't coming from people playing random noob games. It's coming from the supposed mature and more elite players of civ.
Quit a game without a good reason and you will be recieving a non-report from me from now on.
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Post by MMV on Sept 29, 2006 0:37:24 GMT -5
quitting does seem to have become more common and WITHOUT the requisite reports to all remaining in the game.
non-reports have become an over-all bigger problem.
and of course - people wanting reports they aren't supposed to get -- Yesterday, I subbed in a teamer with Tobey (ongoing game of 4 hours when I came in) and after an hour, our team captain conceded. Before the Civ game had even shut down down on my comp, I got the standard admin "non-report" email from one of the players (less than a minute after the game ended, lol).
I fired civ back up and talked to the guy in the lobby, he didn't know reporting rules.
He said after each game, he immediately filed a ladder non-report for everyone to remind them to report. SHEEEEEESH I feel sorry for the admins sifting through all that and dealing with it.
To the self-proclaimed ladder helpers in the lobby - when you're telling them about the ladder and game play, a link to the ladder rules and going over it with them would be more helpfull than religious and political debate.
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Post by Bantams on Sept 29, 2006 6:26:20 GMT -5
To the self-proclaimed ladder helpers in the lobby - when you're telling them about the ladder and game play, a link to the ladder rules and going over it with them would be more helpfull than religious and political debate. I dont do any of that must be a imposter and yes quitting a on going game seems a problem especially with teamers we had one guy quit yesterday saying sorry emergancy got to go and yes no reports done as yet guess he thought we were loosing when in fact the future teamer i was in won the game
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Post by Levi on Sept 29, 2006 9:46:49 GMT -5
To the self-proclaimed ladder helpers in the lobby - when you're telling them about the ladder and game play, a link to the ladder rules and going over it with them would be more helpfull than religious and political debate. Helpers are there to answer questions, not teach people the rules. If they ask for a link to the rules, Helpers would naturally provide it. Keep in mind that Helpers are volunteers, and are not obligated to only help. Helpers are free to express religious and political opinions just like anyone else. If you feel that Helpers should not be allowed to express their opinions, tough. It seems to me that this is just another personal attack against me. I have asked you to stop attacking me personally and I know you have been warned by the administrators of this forum not to make personal attacks against me. Perhaps a few months without posting privlidges will remind you of the forum rules, but I doubt it. As for quitting, I have always been opposed to substitutions and this is just one of the many reasons why. I think substitutions are fine in clan tournaments, but thats about the only place where subs should be allowed.
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Post by MMV on Sept 29, 2006 9:52:36 GMT -5
there are several with the title "helper" in their gamespy name, there was no specific reference to you.
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Post by Bantams on Sept 29, 2006 10:11:46 GMT -5
there are several with the title "helper" in their gamespy name, there was no specific reference to you. theres only two true helpers Me and Jebrim dont know where you get the several from
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Post by eiffel on Sept 29, 2006 10:33:34 GMT -5
Btw, the thread was about the Elite player's "Quitting When I Want" fashion...
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Post by Levi on Sept 29, 2006 11:02:36 GMT -5
there are several with the title "helper" in their gamespy name, there was no specific reference to you. You know perfectly well that I am the original helper and the de-facto leader of the Helpers, and you also know that I regularly lead both religous and political debates in the lobby. Don't try to pretend you are refering to either Jebrim or Bantams, neither of whom discuss religion or politics. You were refering to me and everyone knows it including the moderaters of this forum. You have been warned on at least two occasions, that I am aware of, not to make exactly this type of personal attack. One month without posting privledges would be fitting punishment in my opinion. Rules of Conduct and Behavior for CIV4Players Proboards2. Please be (relatively) polite and civil to each other at all times. Joking around is one thing; pointlessly smearing someone in every post because you don’t like them is another. FLAMING is not tolerated. No personal attacks. You can criticize someone's ideas or actions, but not their parentage nor self-worth. We fully expect people to disagree – frequently – but rule #1 still applies. This community represents the best, brightest, and finest CIV Multiplayer experience available – treat each other accordingly. You have personally attacked me at least three times that I am aware of and I am sick of it. I will continue to point out every time you make a "pointless smear" at me in the hopes the someday, you will be punished according to the rules of this forum.
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Post by deviousdevil on Sept 29, 2006 11:40:57 GMT -5
To the self-proclaimed ladder helpers in the lobby - when you're telling them about the ladder and game play, a link to the ladder rules and going over it with them would be more helpfull than religious and political debate. I dont do any of that must be a imposter and yes quitting a on going game seems a problem especially with teamers we had one guy quit yesterday saying sorry emergancy got to go and yes no reports done as yet guess he thought we were loosing when in fact the future teamer i was in won the game That guy who had to leave and be subbed was on your side...why would he be reporting?
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Post by Lestat on Sept 29, 2006 11:53:40 GMT -5
quitting does seem to have become more common and WITHOUT the requisite reports to all remaining in the game. non-reports have become an over-all bigger problem. and of course - people wanting reports they aren't supposed to get -- Yesterday, I subbed in a teamer with Tobey (ongoing game of 4 hours when I came in) and after an hour, our team captain conceded. Before the Civ game had even shut down down on my comp, I got the standard admin "non-report" email from one of the players (less than a minute after the game ended, lol). I fired civ back up and talked to the guy in the lobby, he didn't know reporting rules. He said after each game, he immediately filed a ladder non-report for everyone to remind them to report. SHEEEEEESH I feel sorry for the admins sifting through all that and dealing with it. To the self-proclaimed ladder helpers in the lobby - when you're telling them about the ladder and game play, a link to the ladder rules and going over it with them would be more helpfull than religious and political debate. Lestat procedure when hire noob in stagging room : 1. Hi with ;D 2. This is ladder-league game 3. U must be member if u want to play ladder games. 4. www.myleague.com/civ4players/5. Take link plz and read RULES6. See u for fiew hours. 7. Booting ..... if other join then loop from 1...7 ..... exception when Im realy tired ........... then im skiping first six points
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Post by Avogadro on Sept 29, 2006 12:08:34 GMT -5
A player leaving a teamer must report to all remaining players in the game INCLUDING his own team. This is to keep these "I need a sub when land is bad type people in check"
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Post by [KC]Bopper on Sept 29, 2006 12:19:44 GMT -5
Along these same lines... Many games I play now I see someone who is close to being defeated throw in the towel and leave game before actual elimination. "Ok guys, I'm dead anyway, will report to all, cya" and leaves game for AI to take over. Does this bother anyone besides me? Has this become a standard? Some poor sucker now has to either go on a battle rampage to kill the obscenely upgrading AI that has magic instant cash - instead of 1 lone archer in last city now there's 8 macemen and half a tank... or you have to hide from AI and defend on an extra front. Please be honorable and play your games out to the end. I have LOTS of experience doing that... Just ask the Penguins...
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Post by eiffel on Sept 29, 2006 13:56:49 GMT -5
A player leaving a teamer must report to all remaining players in the game INCLUDING his own team. This is to keep these "I need a sub when land is bad type people in check" Would be nice if people would follow this rule but it never happens. Most of the time, they just quit, no report and even if they'd have to report, some would just reset their stats just after. If a game is only worth playing when you don't have bad land and are quite sure to win, then please, just don't play at all Btw, i'm too lazy/tired to file non-reports, i would have to do it after every game, and reporting a non-report is just too complicated and not a fun task. So I remain one of the few that ALWAYS report, NEVER quits and ALWAYS report just after the game is over.
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Post by tommynt on Sept 29, 2006 15:26:52 GMT -5
Admins just dont enforce rules strong enough, i filled several nonreports and other serious complaints.
But apart the nonreports gainst no game noobs i allways get some reply like we have to discuss or how can u prove or so. And even after giving prove by saves or chatlogs or whatever nothing happens.
This situation pissed me off and is 1 reason why i play much less, too many dumbs are around - together with the known huge problems like lagy and dropy games fun is often just not there or destroyed.
apart that i dont think that u can generally say that experienced player quit more often i think. U just notice it much more when they do it.
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Post by MMV on Sept 29, 2006 17:35:03 GMT -5
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Post by Tony on Sept 29, 2006 17:36:53 GMT -5
LOOOOOOOL i dont see any personal attacks in this whole thread, how can MMV's comments be taken as attacks?
Some people just plain stupid!
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Post by zzZhenon on Sept 29, 2006 18:31:02 GMT -5
Along these same lines... Many games I play now I see someone who is close to being defeated throw in the towel and leave game before actual elimination. "Ok guys, I'm dead anyway, will report to all, cya" and leaves game for AI to take over. Does this bother anyone besides me? Has this become a standard? Some poor sucker now has to either go on a battle rampage to kill the obscenely upgrading AI that has magic instant cash - instead of 1 lone archer in last city now there's 8 macemen and half a tank... or you have to hide from AI and defend on an extra front. Please be honorable and play your games out to the end. I have LOTS of experience doing that... Just ask the Penguins... I apologize for quitting like that last night, but I'd like to put it into perspective for you. At no time was I in danger of dying to that guy. Yet he continued to spam units at me. I had no bronze and horse. I had to research Iron Working and fend him off with warriors and archers VS chariots and axemen. I successfully do so. In the end, after 70 turns of him trying to wear me down and after I lose a very strategic battle in which, had I won, I could have wiped anything out that he later may send at me. Unfortunately, RNG was not on my side. As a result, it left me weaker than I had been. I would have been pillaged to chit, and came in last place. There's no way I could have died. But there's also very little possibility of me killing off those units. This guy did not win the game, yet he threw everything he had at me. Why do people do this? You are not going to kill me in a cton by spamming units at me. I know how to slave and hold strategic hills & forests. I'm no Tony, Mookie, nor EBD, but come on give me a break, I don't die *that* easily. (Exception: Send 5 Conqs at me very early in a Ren teamer ) In the entire time I've been on this ladder, that may be the 2nd time I've ever quit like that.... and let me tell you, I'd have to be extremely frustrated and angry. Again, I apologize, it's not normal behavior on my part.
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Post by ironclad on Sept 29, 2006 19:50:50 GMT -5
also why isnt ladder private lol? its better that way i just saw three the juggernats on ladder reporting to each other
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Post by sausageface on Sept 30, 2006 4:23:15 GMT -5
I think if in a teamer, u have to quit and need a sub...you should have to report to all players on the other team, regardless of whether your losing or 1 turn away from a win.... and if u dont, a non report should be filed as per usual if someone leaves a game. would solve most of the problems with subbing.
having said that...another 'established' player thinks he is superior to all else and wants out of a teamer, so just suicides instead. i think this is breaking the ladder rules somehow?
~sausage
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Post by tommynt on Sept 30, 2006 6:29:14 GMT -5
sure is suicide breaking ladder rules, in ladder rules is some paragraph bout good sportmanship - suicide in a teamer is surly no good sportmanship
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