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Post by Avogadro on Oct 31, 2005 17:54:12 GMT -5
We civ4players administrators expect to get ALOT of non-reports to sort through in the next few months therefore please be forewarned we will be expecting screen-shots to prove the games actually happened. Example-6 people playing a ladder FFA 1-Screen shot showing names of all participants in the game. Make sure the ladder name matches the name in setup room BEFORE you launch game. 2-report outcome of the game. 3-we may ask you (if non-report is disputed) to get another player involved in the game to vouch for the outcome. I know. It's a game and it sounds like alot of hassle to go through to play...but once you get used to doing it it takes 5 seconds. You take screen-shot, save it in a folder, name it with date and title.(IE-8man FFA, Lakes, Oct.31st) This way if you don't get a report within 24 hours, you can easily email the player concerned, attach screen-shot and ask for your report. If you still don't get report within another 24hours. Then file a non-report and be ready to send screen-shot to the administrator who asks for it. This ladder community promises to be HUGE ;D ;D ;D And we as administrators take turns volunteering to handle the non-reports. If I get 30 non-reports filed in a day, I expect screen-shots. I won't be emailing all 8 people in the game to find out exactly what happened. Much too time consuming as we clearly expect to put in 2-3 hours daily if all is done right. We have no desire to work 10 hours a day. We just gotta Civ too!!! We can promise you this though. TAKE the screen-shots and file non-reports. That is your part. We will look at all evidence and the ones who don't get into the habit of reporting will find themselves sanctioned and will lose the privilege of playing amongst the best CIV community in the World So pass the word around ::::Screen-shots, Screen-shots, Screen-shots:::: not just the host but everyone involved. You want your non-reports which you deserve? Then simply give us a leg to stand on. :::PEACE:::
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Post by Snarf on Nov 4, 2005 17:08:18 GMT -5
Is there any way to get a report for a player that has withdrawn from the ladder? It's not a big deal but I finally won a cton the other night (never got better than 2nd in C3C) and one of the players failed to report then withdrew today
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 4, 2005 19:30:46 GMT -5
Well let the Admins know, we can add a win to your record and adjust your ranking as long as you tell us what rank that person was before he withdrew, assumng they were above you in rank, also this gives us a heads up on watching for this person rejoining under a new name.
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Post by MMV on Nov 9, 2005 21:34:21 GMT -5
Why the change from the previous way we were doing it?
Am I suposed to save a screen shot of every game I'm in and keep it for an indefinate amount of time JUST IN CASE someone doesn't report?
Continuity from ladder to ladder would probably help everyone on the ladder, eh?
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 9, 2005 23:40:22 GMT -5
It's not a matter of continuity, C3C didn't have secure login's CIV does and we just are taking advantage of that to put imposters to death.
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Post by ghost on Nov 10, 2005 1:19:18 GMT -5
Why the change from the previous way we were doing it? Am I suposed to save a screen shot of every game I'm in and keep it for an indefinate amount of time JUST IN CASE someone doesn't report? Continuity from ladder to ladder would probably help everyone on the ladder, eh? all u have to do mmv is hit 1 button. i like this way better since now there is no more impostors on the ladder.(since now u can PW your name) 2nd it takes less time then to write down every name and then when players quit before we launch the game u don't have to keep writing down names. the only button u have to hit is print screen and it saves it as screen shot after it. plus its easier on the admins to get your non reports from other players.
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 10, 2005 16:40:19 GMT -5
and you only keep the screen-shot until everyone has reported to you. The change in procedure is I believe to be fair. This community is growing and there is a lot of work in processing non-reports. If it is disputed we have to start emailing all in the game, wait for responses etc etc. Much easier for you to take 2 secs to hit printcreen and save it with names like "8-man cton Nov.10th, 2005" I know I wont process any civ4 non-reports without this being done.
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Post by tommynt on Nov 10, 2005 17:15:15 GMT -5
hm on screenshots u can hardly see anymore as that the people where in same game
So if i d like to do a fake nonreport its easy to fill, even with screenshot
Why not just believe into oldtimers ??
At least into the ones with good stadning not dudes like me
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 11, 2005 9:19:57 GMT -5
well its supposed to be 1 screen in set up with all checked in followed by second screen during the game itself. Personally I do not need the end of game screen. If you tell me during nonreport filing that: A was 1st S was 2nd T was 4th and you were 3rd..... Then at least I have proof that all four of you were in the game (screen-shot) and when you file non report, the accused get a copy of the non-report file so..I if it is non contested by the accused member we simply push the non-report in your favor.
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Post by ozmono2005 on Nov 11, 2005 22:23:52 GMT -5
It seems that I'm not only being a person who didn't read the rules immediately however I assume many would also not read post on the forum at least intially.
Maybe it would be good to have a short worded instruction on how to report and how to file an unreported match when and in newbies verification emails(my recorded is missing some losses and this would've helped)
Also make it a warning EG..
WARNING: , . , YOU MUST REPORT ALL LOSES. IF YOU ARE ELLIMATED OR UNABLE TO CONTINUE PLAYING YOU MUST REPORT A LOSS TO ALL OTHER REMAINING PLAYERS. (CHECK THE RULES AND FORUMS FOR FURTHER INFORMATION )[/b][/color]
Maybe following the warning you also add some hard to decipher threat such as FAILURE TO DO SO WILL BE A BREACH OF THE AGREEMENT AND OUR SERVICES OBLIGATIONS WILL NO LONGER BE VALID[/b]- hard to decipher cause they wouldn't have read the agreement
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Post by MMV on Nov 12, 2005 4:47:07 GMT -5
amazingly enough - on the civ4 ladder page, look at the "RULES" button (on the left menu") and that's what it says!
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Post by NicodaMax on Nov 17, 2005 14:47:48 GMT -5
What if you were disconected from a game because of a crash or bug and then when trying to re-join some other problem don't let ya ("game's full" message, for example...) I mean, it doesn't mean you weren't "able" to continue playing, and you weren't ellimated (sic)...would screenshots of the errors help?
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Post by Don K Hotay on Nov 17, 2005 18:24:42 GMT -5
What if you were disconected from a game because of a crash or bug and then when trying to re-join some other problem don't let ya ("game's full" message, for example...) I mean, it doesn't mean you weren't "able" to continue playing, and you weren't ellimated (sic)...would screenshots of the errors help? In fact that does mean you were not able to play. ISP dropping connection, power outage, computer crashing all these events though infrequent prevent players from playing...but do not take away the responsibility of reporting.
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Post by Random on Nov 17, 2005 18:32:07 GMT -5
There are problems here with the Game is full... As people are entereing games even though they have the pilar icon. The other night I spent like 15 to 20 minutes trying to get back into a game due to OOS issues.
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Post by mezi on Nov 18, 2005 22:07:13 GMT -5
i think the problem is when the take over ai is unselected and players vote to continue intead of wait, this has been a problem for me in the past, in such an instance i wouldnt report , hopefully the patch will calm things down abit and make it easyer to rejoin
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 19, 2005 11:50:26 GMT -5
Well when a person drops, if they are not back in game within 10 minutes send a player to the lobby. That way you see if other player is there and cannot rejoin. IF you truly cant rejoin, host makes a save and all rejoin it from lobby. If however you never make it back to the lobby people will know because of the one who went back to verify. ps-pardon the spelling, just woke up hungover
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 19, 2005 15:16:38 GMT -5
Having AI takeover off is fine, but you must wait the 10min and have someone check the lobby, if you don't wait 10min that person is not up for the reports, and don't expect to get sympathy from me.
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Post by lporiginalg on Dec 2, 2005 0:15:54 GMT -5
so checking lobby before continuing is mandatory policy now or more of a coertesy? Just want to be clear on that.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Dec 2, 2005 0:40:54 GMT -5
Yes especially because there are still some cases of the game appearing full, the host must send a player to the lobby to check at the 8-9min mark. If the person is not in the lobby so be it, continue without them.
CS
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Post by w0lfshad3 on Dec 20, 2005 18:15:36 GMT -5
I wish there was a way to add screenshots while doing "unreported match".
I was in a ladder for Soldiers of WW2 or even older civ don't remember, thing is they had something like this: a form to be completed by the host with settings and players. Thus no doubt about game happening.
Whats good about it? Well if some1 decides to report too many times or spoof around they can't because the system would allow u 1 loss or one win because the game was allready submitted and at the time of the report u would actually fill out some signature additional data bout the game such as map or players or password or something.
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