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Post by Avogadro on Dec 21, 2005 9:33:13 GMT -5
We have caught people reporting "too many times". They end up with 90 day suspensions to think about it
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Post by WarningU2 on Dec 28, 2005 10:01:07 GMT -5
I wish there was a way to add screenshots while doing "unreported match" After you file a non report you will receive an email from the admin that is processing non reports that week. Respond with any screen shots if you want to submit them at that time.
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Post by willburn on Jan 2, 2006 18:39:06 GMT -5
Christ you give a 90 days suspension if i report too much? What the hell this really encourages me to report ...not Ive reported 8 times now last 4 games bacuse people didnt report in one day..but im not sure if I will bother with all the hassle if i can risk getting banned for 90 days if I do a single mistake. And with a lot of botter i mean i have to take screenshots of every game and write the time of play etc. I also take a paper and write every game name and then i check 5 min after the game is finished and then check off the names on the paper if they reported. Then i make a ring around those that didnt report and check on them the day after. If they still have not reported i go to unreported match and file a report there. But i wont risk not playing my beloved ladder for 90 days..christ :/(
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Post by Sidhe on Jan 2, 2006 18:46:47 GMT -5
They mean people reporting for a match 4 or 5 times, rather than filing a non report. People who report losses or wins for matches that never happened also under many different ladder names to make themselves appear a good player or whatever. File your non reports, you can file a million you'll never get penalised for a genuine one.
Most matches get multiple non reports or should, you dont need to make a screenshot, just keep the autosaves form a game until a day or so later, Then use it to make a screenshot if you have to.
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Post by willburn on Jan 3, 2006 8:26:39 GMT -5
Ok gotcha. I misread that a bit.. Good idea about the autosave, but since i play a lot when I do play I tend to overwrite the autosave.
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Post by yyrkroon on Jan 3, 2006 16:19:12 GMT -5
I've started just SS'ing the end of every game. It isn't a big deal, really. Then if there is a non-report (usually one person for every other game I play), I upload it somewhere, email a reminder (with a link to the ss) to the offender, and if that doesn't resolve it I fill out the report (again with a link to the ss). It isn't a big deal. However... My one gripe with this is that the admins really have no way of knowing that certain players might require constant prodding to report if they do report after they receive their "friendly reminder." Those players should also be penalized after a certain number in a certain period of time. I know it is more work for the admins, but I really think some players are only reporting after the reminder in the hope that they are never so prompted. I would like to know why someone wouldn't report a match within a couple hours (or immediately) following a loss. There might be times when it isn't convenient to do so, but I would have to think those are rare exceptions. The only time I have had to be reminded to report (and only to a single player in the game) was when I suspected cheating/collusion between 2 players in a CTON. Nothing I could prove, but there was some damn suspicious activity and coordination going on. I was reminded and did report, but I won't play with those players again. damn I rambled... Short summary: 1. SS'ing isn't that a big a deal. 2. There should be a mechanism to punish players who consistently require prodding/prompting to report (even if the prodding is only the player sent friendly reminder). 3. cheaters suck
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Post by tamijo on Jul 4, 2006 6:16:28 GMT -5
However... My one gripe with this is that the admins really have no way of knowing that certain players might require constant prodding to report if they do report after they receive their "friendly reminder." Those players should also be penalized after a certain number in a certain period of time. I know it is more work for the admins, but I really think some players are only reporting after the reminder in the hope that they are never so prompted. I would like to know why someone wouldn't report a match within a couple hours (or immediately) following a loss. There might be times when it isn't convenient to do so, but I would have to think 3. cheaters suck I think this i right on spot Its no problem to take the ScreenShot - the trouble is that you have to wait - then email - then wait - then nonreport and if you are playing 4-5 times a day - and you get reports from yesterday - last game - the day before yesterday - last game - this mornings game - yesterday - last game ect. when you get to the point where you should check if everyone reported, you think "fuzk i dont care" havent got time to check my 25 screenshot folder against my "daily results". Conclution: the people that "forget" to report the most, will get good win %, and the people that do not hunt the non-reporters, get bad win% (im not saying this is the case with most high win%, so do not comment on that, as it would lead this off topic) My rule would be, you got 2 hour's to report, then its a nonreport and people get the proper penalty, im sure that would make the reporting work 300% better. As it is now, there is a lot of players reporting right after game, but there is also a lot of players waiting til they get the e-mail. and then there are those that continues to play, and report before they go to sleep, wich is in some ways as bad, becouse they spoil the fact that you should in 95% of all games, be able to check that everyone reported within 5 min. and then clear the Screenshot folder.
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Post by Bantams on Jul 4, 2006 6:46:34 GMT -5
However... My one gripe with this is that the admins really have no way of knowing that certain players might require constant prodding to report if they do report after they receive their "friendly reminder." Those players should also be penalized after a certain number in a certain period of time. I know it is more work for the admins, but I really think some players are only reporting after the reminder in the hope that they are never so prompted. I would like to know why someone wouldn't report a match within a couple hours (or immediately) following a loss. There might be times when it isn't convenient to do so, but I would have to think 3. cheaters suck I think this i right on spot Its no problem to take the ScreenShot - the trouble is that you have to wait - then email - then wait - then nonreport and if you are playing 4-5 times a day - and you get reports from yesterday - last game - the day before yesterday - last game - this mornings game - yesterday - last game ect. when you get to the point where you should check if everyone reported, you think "fuzk i dont care" havent got time to check my 25 screenshot folder against my "daily results". Conclution: the people that "forget" to report the most, will get good win %, and the people that do not hunt the non-reporters, get bad win% (im not saying this is the case with most high win%, so do not comment on that, as it would lead this off topic) My rule would be, you got 2 hour's to report, then its a nonreport and people get the proper penalty, im sure that would make the reporting work 300% better. As it is now, there is a lot of players reporting right after game, but there is also a lot of players waiting til they get the e-mail. and then there are those that continues to play, and report before they go to sleep, wich is in some ways as bad, becouse they spoil the fact that you should in 95% of all games, be able to check that everyone reported within 5 min. and then clear the Screenshot folder. interesting but what about the poor sod whos internet connection dropped or had a power cut that is why i always give people at least 24hours before filing a none report dont think the 2 hour rule would work
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Post by tamijo on Jul 4, 2006 9:14:49 GMT -5
Hi Bantams Sorry but I cant imagine that some 10-15% of the ladder players always get a power drop excactly a the time where they would otherwise have to report.
If it should be the case - the player would have to tell the admin when they ask why he/she did not report. they might belive him/her, or not, that would be up the the admin as with any other explanation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Im not saying every non-report should become a penalty --------------------------------------------------------------------------- My point is more like you need a system to make 99% off all reports done at once, to make things easy for everyone. Infact it should be like that allready, but we all know that is not happening.
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Post by Avogadro on Jul 4, 2006 14:38:05 GMT -5
Things may soon get a Little rougher on those who wait for others to file before reporting. Reports should be done asap not the next night before playing again.
feel free to email me names of those whom you always have to chase down. I will compile these names in a data bank for all admins to view and we will either change the penalties rules or have names in front of us so that we know when not to be lenient.
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Post by Bantams on Jul 4, 2006 16:58:49 GMT -5
usually anyone starting with <edit> This is not the place for name calling. If you have a beef with a certain player or players please contact an admin - WarningU2 I Did contact yourself but he still seems to be in Ladder numerous non reports later and multiple account oh well ill just avoid the player then
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 4, 2006 23:12:12 GMT -5
Some comments items discussed here as I've been doing non reports these last 4 weeks. I'm on vacation tomorrow and CS takes over. 1) Although it is as annoying, there is no means to enforce that players report immediately after a game. If you have to remind players constantly then it's likely a good idea to avoid playing them in future. Players should make every attempt to file their reports at the conclusion of the game before playing their next match but if not they legitimately have 24 hrs to report. 2) I can tell you that the majority of non reports filed result in a penalty. I can't quite understand how a non report is not received but the same subject line advising them they are in box is always received. Go figure. 3) There have been a fair number of protest files i.e. I just had a non report filed against me so I'll file 6 non reports against that player. I immediately suspend somone for doing this. 4) There have been a number of people that don't understand how to report so they file non reports. I suspend someone for this while they read the rules 5) The most annoying is that someone files a non report and the person disputes the charge and sends me (the admin) a burst of email in response rather than looking up the players name and communicating with them directly. I have to play middle man and forward the email to the parties involved. Imagine 15 non reports coming in and half a dozen players using me as conduit ? Wonder why I get confused sometimes ? 6) A lot players seem to think you only have to report to one person and not all in the game because of the conflicting rule from MyLeague and our ladder rules. Despite it saying that the ladder rules replace, I constantly get - I play by the rules and only report to one player. 7) The most frequent cause for non report disputes are disconnects, or one or more players not accepting the game didn't really start or someone failed to pick up a lost player. It starts a debate on whether someone went back to the lobby to fetch the person. I really encourage the use of C4F interface to check the lobby while in the game. And if the person cannot get in please reload. In CIV3 it was so much simpler but with CIV4 it allows you to continue play and makes for a non report nightmare. I encourage everyone to take screen shots when there are controversial moments in the game. It will save a huge headache. 8) I frequently get non reports a few minutes after the game is played. This annoys me to no end because it generates a backlash of emails that use me as a conduit. When I am doing non reports any non report received that is filed the same day is simply deleted. I don't follow up on it. If you're lucky I'll respond saying refile after contacting the player and waiting 24 hrs for him to report. 9) So you understand its a fairly lengthy process for handling non reports. a) When a non report is received it is filtered in my inbox to a NR Active folder. It matures for 72 hrs. I search the log from the date of non report filing date after 72 hrs, or near enough has elapsed. b) If I receive any email in dispute of the match it goes into my NR Contested Folder (Open Cases). I then move the non report associated with this case into this folder. If I start to get a dozen or more emails in response (the record for me was 48 for one disastorous match) I create a folder ie. PlayerA vs PlayerB. I immediately reply to the player filing the non report that the match is contested and proof of your win is required. If I don't get any proof in 72 hrs, the non report is void and moved to my closed folder. c) If I make a ruling on a contested match I flag it for followup 72 hrs later and when reported I move it to the Closed Cases folder d) If I find a player has non reported I force the match and advise the person who filed "match forced in your favour". I don't inform the player who hasn't reported if it's his/her first offense. We're all big people ... if you get a non report filed against you and do nothing ... well you know what will happen. If however you have 2 non reports filed you will get an email explaining in detail why you are in the box for 7 days. If its the 3rd non report you will be suspended 90 days and you might as well leave to tell you the truth. 10) Top Ten reasons for not reporting. (all actual excuses) - 10. My sister was rushed to the hospital so I had to leave the game.
- 9. I fell asleep and knocked my beer on the keyboard and I couldn't type anymore.
- 8. My joint fell on the carpet and I had to put out the fire
- 7. There was a thunderstorm and I lost power.
- 6. I don't have to report because x was cheating. It's just not possible to have that large a stack (that's what she said).
- 5. I don't report ever, so go #%#$# yourself.
- 4. I only have to report to the one player that was better than me. The rest sucked so I won't report.
- 3. How do I report ? I don't understand English.
- 2. I disconnected and they beat the CPU.
And the number 1 excuse heard recently ...
- 1. No one told me the game was over, I didn't lose so why do I have to report ?
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Post by tamijo on Jul 5, 2006 1:10:10 GMT -5
Ohh ya, itsnt that simple is it. hehe
I gotten this 3 times recently. I wait a game or 2, 3-5 hours, then send the friendly email. Next morning the person have reported, and i'we got an e-mail telling me, why did you send the e-mail, there is a 24 hours rule.
People do tend to read the rules with very diffrent eyes.
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Post by WarningU2 on Jul 5, 2006 8:24:33 GMT -5
People misunderstand - there is no 24 hr rule. People are expected to report immediately after the game however 24 hrs must elapse before a non report can be filed. I can't believe people sometimes.
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Post by lporiginalg on Jul 5, 2006 13:49:59 GMT -5
Dam WU2 I feel your pain. Thanks for the top10 list tho that's pretty funny stuff. I think I know which player wrecked his keyboard with beer too lol.
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Post by Bantams on Jul 6, 2006 8:13:51 GMT -5
Dam WU2 I feel your pain. Thanks for the top10 list tho that's pretty funny stuff. I think I know which player wrecked his keyboard with beer too lol. my guess would be stickynumlock
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