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Post by Elledge on Jun 25, 2006 21:46:03 GMT -5
From this piont onwards i was sure being able to see what your ally is doing is just pure EVIL. Because everything your ally is doing dont come with a detailed explaination, so it can give confusing mixed singnals. See, I don't agree. The only way it gives mixed signals is if the guy watching literally does not understand how the hell the game works, and so he can't interpret the build as anything other than "FIRST HE BUILT A WORKER IN HIS CITY, WHO KNOWS WHY!" I don't know. There are three levels of civ players in my book. At the top, there are strong players, who might have varying degrees of strength (esp. at military), but who I can watch play and know that they will not f**k up and they will be a powerful force in any game. There are a fair number of players like this and they are a pleasure to be around. Then there are the players who are OK. This is like half the ladder. You can watch them and you know they understand how the game works, they know how to build units, they understand the value of improving tiles and chopping forests and religion etc. They just aren't that great at it; they're kinda slow, they don't improve stuff and expand at the right speed, and they are usually too passive and usually build too many units early out of worry. But that's OK. I have no problem playing with these guys as long as they balance out between teams; you can work with them and have a fun game, you just know they aren't going to be a powerhouse. We aren't talking about these guys. They play in teamers all the time and it's fine. Then there are the players who couldn't tell you what commerce does if you paid them twenty dollars. This is still like 30% of the ladder and it ruins games.
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Post by tamijo on Jun 26, 2006 9:51:06 GMT -5
If there are many players in the ladder, that does not know about chopping,slaving , tiles value, artist (and other great P) ect.
Then i can understand that you think they ruin your teamer.
I havent noticed many of that kind of players. But i'we seen players with too few game's like myself.
It might be a point, that we should not be playing ladder, but then we are forced to play with quitters and that is no fun.
Anyway, if 25% off ladder players stinks as much as you say, i aggre they will ruin a teamer, so i guess you made me change my mind, about making "pro" games.
I might even get there one day myself, if i keep playing this game.
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Post by ironclad on Jun 26, 2006 12:22:45 GMT -5
if two teams have one noob.... should be bale to kill back if they kill one of ur guys. So it is really even, even though there are 2 noobs in the game.
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Post by thevindicator on Jul 6, 2006 17:28:26 GMT -5
If there are many players in the ladder, that does not know about chopping,slaving , tiles value, artist (and other great P) ect. Then i can understand that you think they ruin your teamer. I havent noticed many of that kind of players. But i'we seen players with too few game's like myself. It might be a point, that we should not be playing ladder, but then we are forced to play with quitters and that is no fun. Anyway, if 25% off ladder players stinks as much as you say, i aggre they will ruin a teamer, so i guess you made me change my mind, about making "pro" games. I might even get there one day myself, if i keep playing this game. the ladder is public, not privately for only the top section of players. noobs make games more interesting anyway
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Post by Bantams on Jul 11, 2006 10:03:59 GMT -5
My teamate was such a noob in that game...rofl Yea, you had the noobiest team mate of all. ;D Now you know why I had to pause for 5 minutes...I had to tell the guy how to get into the city screen...when he finally figured that out he couldn't find the whip button... Did the guy actually adopt Slavery before you asked him to slave maybe thats why he couldnt find the Whip
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Post by tommynt on Aug 12, 2006 17:55:51 GMT -5
time to relive this topic, 1. player moves longbow away from city when there s opp longbow 2 tiles away and i ping it and ask him to go back twice
2. then afterwards 2guys, .. brainless waste of time to talk, dnp ll help
3. guys changing to settler difficuly in a teamer, eh cton maybe good cheater but teamer?
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Post by gunsnroses on Aug 14, 2006 12:02:22 GMT -5
I agree 100% with tommy on they should listen, at the same time, they should have the right to at least defend their position on why they are doing something they believe is right. I play teamers occassionally during the day (US Time ZONE), all new faces and VERY good players. I love to learn and listen to what they have to say. (btw, better players at day than night). I have a know all attitude, but when someone suggests something, I love the advise and love to learn. I kinda like to mix up the same ol same ol of all the regs in a team game, 5v5 ends up being stand still more times than not recently due to ALL being very decent. I would rather make it a rule each team gets 1 noob, talk about strategy. Have to help your resident noob, and defend the weakness... much better games imo Sounds like a common theme, bored of the same players and bad attitudes (I had to take a week off), then lets invite a few noobs per game, offer advise to your team, and get some new faces in the mix. Hate losing, but not as much as "experienced" players complaining at the end of every game. To wrap up, my 2 cents, 2 5v5 teamers in a row I was on top and killed opponent in both games, we lost both games cause the bottom guy (same person in both games) got killed and 2nd back also died. Thats a frustrating night. But in both games I didnt say anything negative because he seemed SOO sorry. Guns
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Post by SirPartyMan on Aug 14, 2006 12:41:43 GMT -5
I think "team visibility" in CIV4 has added an aspect to the game that is both desirable and undesirable.
We used to waste a lot of time in teamers telling people where we were - enemy unit locations, etc. Now with a shared map that isn't necessary.
What happens in some teamers is what I call second-guessing. Players telling other players about their "mistakes" - some of which are actualy mistakes and others which are just misinterpretations.
For example, in a game I was in, another teammate accused me of having a worker "idle" in my capital. Actually, the worker was on automove to the next location where I wanted a road.
Another example, which wasn't a teamer but a cton. Someone asked me why I had put a cottage on some iron. Well I hadn't discovered IRON WORKING yet so I didn't see the iron.
Such comments are usually prefaced with insults like, "How stupid are you to ... "
It's more the attitude that needs correction that anything else.
Let's teach each other - not belittle each other.
Best, SPM
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Post by SirPartyMan on Aug 14, 2006 12:43:26 GMT -5
PS: remember we were all noobs once. And some people aren't noobs, they just pretend to be one at C4P <g>.
SPM
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Post by Lestat on Aug 14, 2006 12:56:58 GMT -5
Nice word from SPM. Hugs....
In one game i was playing with one noob. It was future 1v1 and he build 3th cite on shore without units in cite. Then i was boated hes cite and kill him bc i toked hes 2th cite before. Wow its total noobish build after he lost 1 cite.
PS That noob was tomy and now he make topics with name like mentioned above.Its silly and funy.
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Post by tommynt on Aug 14, 2006 13:00:29 GMT -5
the problems arent noobs but brainless guys, u dont have to be a civ expert to move a longbow into city instead away from it
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Post by [KC]NeutralParty on Aug 15, 2006 9:59:06 GMT -5
Uhhh....wanna learn english?
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Post by Speaker on Aug 15, 2006 10:23:10 GMT -5
Uhhh....wanna learn english? How's your German? Tommy is not a native English speaker. Cut him some slack in the grammar and spelling department.
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Post by Tony on Aug 15, 2006 12:21:02 GMT -5
The funny thing is the post that you are quoting is almost perfect english!
Well i can understand it perfectly anyway!
Neutralparty if you cant understand it i guess you one of those brainless people this thread is about!
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Post by tamijo on Aug 15, 2006 12:47:35 GMT -5
English language elitistism Fatter du det ? Wakarimasuka Why cant people just be nice to each other, and try to explain there point in a reasonable way, too the common benefit off everyone. I think the most stupid argument (seen before) is : ha ha you spelled your argument wrong, WTF does not matter does it
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Post by tamijo on Aug 15, 2006 13:00:11 GMT -5
Anyway, stop posting in this one, point taken, some people play like crazy, but its been 9 pages by now ?
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Post by tommynt on Aug 16, 2006 4:04:32 GMT -5
eh, I did study for 1 year on Irish university - my grades were kinda ok, so my english cant have been that bad. It gets worse everyday, i know, but I try to stay fluent by writing like 10 posts a day. But i m a lazy bastard so i dont really care on my grammar/spelling
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Post by [KC]NeutralParty on Aug 16, 2006 7:52:25 GMT -5
It wasnt intended maliciously. It was just for a laugh. Plus there is a famous Volvo commercial that ran all over Europe with the punchline "Wanna learn english?". Was hoping someone made the connection. I understood what he was trying to say also, and have read several of his strategy threads/posts and learned from them. My apologies.
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Post by Bantams on Aug 20, 2006 3:18:12 GMT -5
we need 10 pages at least for this topic Tamijo ;D
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Post by MookieNJ on Aug 23, 2006 4:52:03 GMT -5
I need noob insurance.
I am tired of making 5 reports after someone dies on the front before we can even finish researching our first tech.
I wish so many people weren't averse to playing clan games or vs. clan teams, because it can be so frustrating playing pickup games. On the other hand, when you're playing with your friends whom you can trust you can work together and have a lot more fun strategizing and playing as a real team.
Oh well.
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