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Post by mrgametheory on Feb 4, 2006 22:12:31 GMT -5
What has happened to this game. Why is it that 95% of the top 50 players on Ladder do not play 1v1 games. They refuse to. It is almost impossible to find a 1v1 game with good players and it is getting out of hand. All I see is teamer games and an occasional cton and when these top players jump in teamer games with other top players it is easy to defend titles due to lack of competent team mates so it adds an entire new defense on people to maintain their rank.
I think that Ladder needs to make some kind of revision to their rules and require that a Person must play at least 3 1v1 games a week with the person who is directly behind them in rank. This prevents players from holding onto rank until their 4 best teamer buddies are on and than obviously winning.
What do people feel about this? Is there to much skill involved in 1v1 games and Ladder isn't about this kind of skill? I understand that people just want to have fun, but do people no longer have fun in 1v1 games? I need help on this issue because I am failing to accept what is going on here.
I would like to hold 2 1v1 tournaments Every Saturday at 10AM at 6PM PST. Can one of the admins help me in getting this started and show me how to best set this up.
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Post by Trayk on Feb 5, 2006 1:48:02 GMT -5
Why is it that 95% of the top 50 players on Ladder do not play 1v1 games. They refuse to. I think that Ladder needs to make some kind of revision to their rules and require that a Person must play at least 3 1v1 games a week with the person who is directly behind them in rank. This rule still wouldnt get you the games...nobody likes to play with a horses hind end, regaurdless of your professed skill.
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Post by Avogadro on Feb 5, 2006 3:53:29 GMT -5
It is called a "formal challenge" if you are in the top 50 and wish to move up playing 1v1..you challenge no more then half way to top spot and go from there. ie-you are 50th challenge 25th---win=you 37th then 37th challenge 19th----win= you 28th then 28th challeges 14th----win = you 21st 21st challenges 11th----win = you 16th 16th challenges 8th----win you 12th 12th challenges 6th---win you 9th 9th challenges 5th---win you 7th 7th challenges 4th----win you 5th 5th challenges 3rd---win you 4th 4th challenges 2nd---you win 3rd then two options 3rd chalenges 2nd again and get 2nd or 3rd challenged 1st wins and get 2nd... a week later title match ;D see it's so easy. if you get second spot and challenge 1st then no one can leapfrog you during the week. On similar ladders we had 1st playind 3rd and losing so that 2nd never got his shot..make it to second and challenge, you will get title shot in fact the "default" for title match is a 1v1. Players may play a cton or teamer but if no agreement it is a 1v1 random.
Have fun pardon spelling it is 5 am
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Post by Ascension/Necrominous on Feb 5, 2006 8:00:43 GMT -5
If someone is challenged I thought they got to play the game of their choice? I thought one could make um play a future teamer if challenged so choose. Who gets to pick the time, type of game, era and number of players. Maybe not, How exactly does that game setting in formal challenge game work?
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Post by Avogadro on Feb 5, 2006 10:23:34 GMT -5
If challenged any game set up aghreed upon by two players is fine. If consensus is not reached there is a default setting. Random Civ, random era I believe if no consensus. I'll try to find the link. under rule link on main page civ4players rule #22Ladder rules #22 PLAY CHALLENGE GAMES FAIRLY: To ensure all challenges are conducted fairly, the following game standards are required for formal challenge matches only: Challenge games are limited to a 1 on 1 duel You must be in the top 25 to issue a formal challenge You have 5 days to complete a challenge match otherwise you will both be penalized A challenge must be legitimately completed. Reporting a loss without playing a game is prohibited and any rank change will be reversed. Should a person be challenged and one of the players withdraws, the challenge is simply removed from the records and the match is void. Either elimination or according to the Current Score List determine the victor after a 130 turn set game limit. The following game options should be used: Size: Duel Map Selected Map: Any homogenous land mass type(ie pangaea, lakes, Great Plains, inland sea, oasis) Climate: Temperate Sea Level: Medium All other settings are options
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Post by markweston on Feb 5, 2006 13:32:32 GMT -5
For myself, I just don't enjoy 1v1s very much (especially not Ancient on Duel maps). They're so samey and one-dimensional, and so often decided by a single game event.
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Post by evil on Feb 5, 2006 14:28:19 GMT -5
1vs1 games bore me....
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Post by tommynt on Feb 5, 2006 14:35:38 GMT -5
ya espacially after playing lots of em u see that they r allways kinda same - and also kinda luck based
if there are 2 even player and 1 got horse in cap and other no res winner is determinded on t1
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Post by Tony on Feb 5, 2006 16:08:57 GMT -5
More nonsense whinning, but im starting not to expect anything else from the source.
If you want rank stop crying and acusing people of cheating 24 7 and maybe someone will be able to stand playing with you.
EDIT lets consider your threads,
whinning about somsone cheating whinning about CCC rules whinning about the game is bugged whinning the ladder rank is flawed Not to mention the 10 or more whinning posts you made as EoN and the other name.
God ive never heard someone whine so much in my life.
Go play with your rattle and leave computers for the over 12's
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Post by Lestat on Feb 5, 2006 16:12:39 GMT -5
We have many map's for 1v1. Try pangea tiny or small (small is dnt small as u think).Pangea is 100% random , on small-pangea u can find resoure but it is not to big that u cant kill enemie. U can use navy, horses or just build... 1v1 is most funies that buildfest in cton when some 1 got peacefuly neigbourh ...
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Post by mrgametheory on Feb 5, 2006 20:53:18 GMT -5
Mirror 1v1 duel or tiny is the best map because everyone has the same resources and luck isn't an issue. Playing this map turns the game into a chess style game and is loads of fun. I try to remove as much luck as possible from my games and try to just play straight up, the problem is there isn't enough people that agree this is fun. Also any admin down with showing me the ropes on how to set up tournaments? If it goes well I may do other kins in the future.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Feb 5, 2006 22:16:37 GMT -5
MGT - you would need to apply to be a Tournament Director in order to run tournaments. Contact Whiplash for details.
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Post by Ellestar on Feb 6, 2006 7:28:27 GMT -5
It is called a "formal challenge" if you are in the top 50 and wish to move up playing 1v1..you challenge no more then half way to top spot and go from there. It will not work. High-ranked inactive players slide down in ranks too fast because of several teamers per day (especially in weekends). Formal challenges IMHO will be too slow to offset it even if you win most of it. Mirror 1v1 duel or tiny is the best map because everyone has the same resources and luck isn't an issue. To make it even better, we can choose leaders by banning untill only two sides will be left. Say, default rules for Moscow Heroes 3 torunaments were as follows: random player (who wins a flip of a coin) chooses if he bans first or second. After that, players ban sides in 121212 order until 2 sides are left. Then player that banned a side second-last chooses his side from the two remaining sides. What has happened to this game. Why is it that 95% of the top 50 players on Ladder do not play 1v1 games. They refuse to. It is almost impossible to find a 1v1 game with good players and it is getting out of hand. All I see is teamer games and an occasional cton and when these top players jump in teamer games with other top players it is easy to defend titles due to lack of competent team mates so it adds an entire new defense on people to maintain their rank. Well, in most cases there are two captains that pick players in 122121 order (for 4v4). Some games are Clan vs PUG (Pick-Up Group), but from my experience it's not that common. Anyway, clan members should practice to play with each other somehow, isn't it? And even then sometimes they decide to pick players when Clan vs PUG makes it too unbalanced. The real problem is that these games are mostly closed. As i was told, it's because noone in a team wants to lose because of one newbie. So, it's a good idea to play ctons first, it's not hard to get a good rank there IMHO (say, i got 42th place IIRC in just several days). Also, other players will notice you. Well, i'm just sharing useful information i got from other players. You can also try to join an active clan that plays in these teamers. What do people feel about this? Is there to much skill involved in 1v1 games and Ladder isn't about this kind of skill? I understand that people just want to have fun, but do people no longer have fun in 1v1 games? I need help on this issue because I am failing to accept what is going on here. It's probably too random. Even if resources and spawns are the same (say, on mirror), fights are still random. Less units means that random plays a bigger role. Also, double moves are still nasty, as are clickfests who moves unit first (host obviously has a huge advantage here, especially if it's something like Euro vs USA - in that case average pings are higher than average human reaction time). Another reason is that there is noone but maybe a bad luck to blame if you lose a duel ;D
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Post by Craigbob on Feb 6, 2006 8:40:16 GMT -5
What do people feel about this? Is there to much skill involved in 1v1 games and Ladder isn't about this kind of skill? I understand that people just want to have fun, but do people no longer have fun in 1v1 games? I need help on this issue because I am failing to accept what is going on here. Shutup. P.S. Most teams in teamers are picked at the beginning of the game. I've rarely jumped into a game with preset teams other than clan games. P.P.S. Rank means chit.
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Post by Craigbob on Feb 6, 2006 8:44:49 GMT -5
To make it even better, we can choose leaders by banning untill only two sides will be left. Say, default rules for Moscow Heroes 3 torunaments were as follows: random player (who wins a flip of a coin) chooses if he bans first or second. After that, players ban sides in 121212 order until 2 sides are left. Then player that banned a side second-last chooses his side from the two remaining sides. Good lord. Reminds me of a classic quote: "I'd rather join a toenail-clipping ladder." - Motown Dennis, 2003
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Post by Avogadro on Feb 6, 2006 10:29:35 GMT -5
Also one thing to keep in mind...to be a champ we beat a champ at his own game. Champ like cton games..you play ctons to move up in rank. champ likes teamers...you play teamers to move up in rank. Once you get near the top you can start challenging 1v1.
Once you are number 1 then you get to impose what game styles players will need to play to get to you.
This is fun and is often how trends go on the ladder. In C3C we have had champions which played ctons only, others futures, others ancient teamers, a bit of quick civ maybe? Or how about some medieval UU? Some like OCC formats? Others relied on 1v1.
My suggestion, worry less about win percentages, join several styles of games. Become versatile and then one can become champ. I had to learn QC to win it in civ3 and frankly..I'm glad I got to discover the game style.
1v1 is but one aspect of the game, to be good at it does not mean one should be champ...
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Post by SirPartyMan on Feb 6, 2006 12:20:21 GMT -5
1v1 is just one way of playing. We have one CCC event which is this format. Most players prefer larger games (which also tend to last longer).
Having difficulty finding play partners can be attributed to a lot of things, including posting in this forum about how stupid everyone else is.
Formal challenges are played 1v1 unless there is mutual agreeement otherwise.
I continue to see a good mix of games being played.
Have fun, SPM
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Post by whiplash on Feb 6, 2006 14:08:57 GMT -5
Having difficulty finding play partners can be attributed to a lot of things, including posting in this forum about how stupid everyone else is. Have fun, SPM ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Lestat on Feb 6, 2006 14:29:11 GMT -5
More nonsense whinning, but im starting not to expect anything else from the source. If you want rank stop crying and acusing people of cheating 24 7 and maybe someone will be able to stand playing with you. EDIT lets consider your threads, whinning about somsone cheating whinning about CCC rules whinning about the game is bugged whinning the ladder rank is flawed Not to mention the 10 or more whinning posts you made as EoN and the other name. God ive never heard someone whine so much in my life. Go play with your rattle and leave computers for the over 12's I dnt look in MrsGameTheory posting as whinning, he just put hes opinnion about game and ladder. Hes not mentioned names on cheating topic. Yes I saw same in c3c forum when some 1 put hes opinnion here and lots of people atacking him. I love to play games with him and enjoy when he crying when he lost game to. Im agree with him in that about teamer and ranked players but it is old storie without help. Changing rules that player must play that type of game or must play with all ladder members etc... (elitizm topic c3c) is hard. Just not looking on rank , look on skill, win streak etc... Rank 2 with skill 1650 and max streak +6 and win % 40 is rank 2000 for me. Just play and cry when u losing and all will be good ... I only dnt like when he hosting game with name: "Ladder 1v1 only 20top ranked players" hope next time he will host : "Ladder 1v1 only womans alowed"
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Post by tarkin1980 on Feb 6, 2006 16:13:52 GMT -5
I'd say its because 1 on 1 games are utterly boring. Only way I'd even consider playing one is if there was only 1 other civ player in the world (and he was pointing a gun to my head) ;D
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