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Post by Avogadro on Oct 25, 2005 15:53:37 GMT -5
Sharing knowledge and strategies does not make it so that people can't express individuality in their playing style. Fried gave many strategies for mp in civ3. It does not mean it is the only way to play. I read all his articles, took what I thought was useful for me and added it to my pre-existing style. He does not tell people how to play, he gives hints there is a difference.
My style is just that, MY style, this is one of the main reasons I have and still oppose the clan mentality. Its nothing more than sub-par players riding the coattails of a few extraordinary players.
Don't know which clan you are referring too but come spend sometime playing GC, B2C and tell me we are all sub-par players. Being number 1 only means something if you have true competition. I would rather take a chance in losing by playing good players. I was only ranked first on civ3players for 6 days. But during those 5 nights I hosted 5 games involving the top 7 on ladder at the time. I knew if I lost any of those games I would lose my crown. Guess what? I lost it but earned a reputation fighting for it ;D
Wrong? Not necessarily, but this I believe is where the backstabbing comes into play, or the boring build, build, build games, pointsleepers if you will. Cant tell you how many players I have seen that do nothing more than "buy time" while others fight, then come in and mop up the rest after everyone else has spent their forces. Then they think they are a great player. Is that skill?
If you are fighting with another civ for 2 hours and ignoring the 3rd civ right beside you then...a stack is very well in order. Sentry in old c3c and a 40 stack at game end don't mean too much....A cton game, why wouldn't a person take advantage of peaceful times to build up and take out leaders late in the game?
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Post by sparta on Oct 25, 2005 17:32:55 GMT -5
You have just told us all that you have no idea what the intention of clans are. He never demanded anyone to read his articles. Did you take your pills today?
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Post by Lastride on Oct 25, 2005 18:20:24 GMT -5
I am glad to see that you haven't changed a bit Goddess I eagerly await the chance to play you once again Always a pleasure
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Post by sparta on Oct 25, 2005 18:22:42 GMT -5
Yes, Goddess is one of the few names I have not forgotten at all. I'm sure Fried will be really glad to see her again
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Oct 25, 2005 21:43:25 GMT -5
Just a reminder, folks, we are going to remain polite to one another on this forum or blocks and penalties will fly quite quickly. Goddess is very much entitled to her opinion, and it is every bit as valid as the typical clan/information-sharer's point of view. While I may not agree with her views, I strongly respect and defend her right to say them, so long as she continues to post respectfully, as she has done here. And in other news... I have unlocked the strategy forum! I will be releasing one article per week as Soren requested of me, but starting right now, one per week, they'll be going up for quite some time. Enjoy!
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Post by heroray on Oct 26, 2005 15:27:30 GMT -5
The goddess wrote: Put Phan and Retnuh head to head while I sit back and build my hiney off, then clean their clocks after they each have expended themselves. Is that skill?
It must have been a long time since you have played Civ.
Phan kills quickly without long battles.
If Phan is your neighbor, you are dead.
Your point is well taken, but is probably about 2 years old. And Your post isn't 100% accurate though. I remember being a total noob in PTW and a very nice "Goddess" giving me several pointers on how to play the game.
I always enjoyed games with the Goddess as she was always helpful and never arogant.
Hope to see you again in civ4 world soon.
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Post by MMV on Oct 26, 2005 17:56:42 GMT -5
In a PTW game, I once asked Goddess how she "did it."
Her response?
"I exercise risk-management"
Then she killed me.
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Post by TheGoddess on Oct 26, 2005 20:29:27 GMT -5
Hey heroray, miss you on PTW. MMV, You got me thinking... I remember saying that to you in the past, however MMV was not the name you used back then when we played together, please refresh me. GC, I did not say you were all sub par players, I think you expounded a lil too much. I did say that my opinion of clans is that there are many sub par players that ride the coattails of the few extraordinary. I have witnessed countless people on ladder and some even outside of ladder that cling to clans seemingly because they lack the ability to win on their own merits. I am also well aware that I am not alone in my thinking here. I see many people here that 6 months ago, 2 years ago were not very good at all, however they join a clan, play some team games, win more often than they would if playing alone and their rank is significantly higher, thats riding the coattails of the few extraordinary. There is only 1 player that I have seen in all my years here that has truly made a 180 degree turnaround in their game from when I first played them to when I last played them. I am not saying that fried is telling anyone "how to play", but that many people seem to not understand the mechanics of the game without someone pointing it out to them. I have read frieds strats in the past, they are right on target, have I learned anything from them? Nothing that I did not already know. If they dont understand the mechanics of the game, god only knows they will never know how to war properly. This is again is where riding the coattails of another comes into play. GC, was nice to see you over in PTW yesterday, only wish you would have stuck around so we could have had a game. Fried, DDR? really?
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Oct 26, 2005 22:31:38 GMT -5
Max 300!
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Post by MMV on Oct 26, 2005 23:33:47 GMT -5
Goddess - check profile and email me and I'll let you know, lol.
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Post by TheGoddess on Oct 27, 2005 11:22:52 GMT -5
MMV,
I PM'ed you.
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Post by MMV on Oct 27, 2005 12:59:22 GMT -5
Goddess, I PM'd back atcha'
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Oct 31, 2005 8:19:34 GMT -5
Just to let folks know, my next article: "Lead with Confidence: Civilization 4's Leaders" is now available in our strategy forum, and should be up over at Apolyton by the end of the day.
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Post by Avogadro on Oct 31, 2005 11:02:01 GMT -5
Well in fact i did go to the PTW lobby to find and play you Goddess. I changed my gs name upon entering in order not to scare you off but...you saw me come in. Ill be back and next time Ill take the time to change name before I enter the room I didn't know how to "MP" until I read Fried's original C3C mp articles this being said once one picks up the basic concepts of MP from those articles there is nothing to say that one cannot "perfect" some of these notions into their own personal playing styles. Fried showed me the importance of growth, city placement for mp etc. He did not whisper in my ear "pssst Avo, this is how you make 233 Maya horses in 90 turns. Or This is how you make 155 Persian immortals." I learned that myself thank you very much ;D One does not look at a chess board and learn to play without knowing how the units move, what the object of the game is, what the parameters are. I played alto of SP with relative success before joining www.myleague.com/civ3players (shameless plug ) but that sure as heck didn't prepare me for the ass-whooping I received upon joining the ladder. One does not achieve perfect play on their own. Not even you my dear. Even Fried will admit that through watching other peoples strategies etc etc his playing style had to change in order to remain competitive. If someone had all the answers they would truly be a Goddess until then for the rest of us mortals, we will continue to learn from each other and share what we know in order to always "up" the playing field. I probably have about 12 different starting strategies for C3C depending on land, tiles, maps, opponents etc etc. There is not only one way to play this game and if one relies upon their own investigations or observations only then one denies themselves a nice learning experience.
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