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Post by cantabrian on Oct 15, 2005 5:24:03 GMT -5
Can the author of the official strategy guide say if they wrote it or not as I have never bought one and heard they are usually out of date and a waste of time. But would be keen to if its a reputable author. Also i have to get a dvd drive as its only being released in dvd format here so with the game,the dvd drive and the strategy guide it'll be a expensive game.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Oct 15, 2005 6:43:26 GMT -5
Bah. I'm no friggin celebrity. As for the strategy guide.... Best. Guide. EVAR!!1!!
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Post by ImmortalLord on Oct 15, 2005 9:46:56 GMT -5
on spm's note of buying manual, if you buy the civ pressel thing i believe its called the strategy guide is included i believe.
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Post by Dominae on Oct 20, 2005 19:17:50 GMT -5
I would prefer if the articles were made available at the rate per week (at most) after the game is released.
Something about the pro beta tester revealing all his secrets the day of release sounds...off to me. Let the beta testers tell you how to play, they sure have the experience to back it up!
Maybe it's just a difference between the SP and MP community mindsets; one is more about competition, the other more about discovery?
Does anyone sympathize with this point of view? Of course, not having seen the articles myself, I could be way off base here...
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Post by Mo_D on Oct 20, 2005 21:24:05 GMT -5
I agree 100%. Might as well not even buy the game and just skip straight to the strategy guide. Voila! I'm an expert. I personally like to check out strategy guides, forums, etc. when I feel I've figured out most of the tricks already. Then I'll pick up a few things that I probably wouldn't have figured out on my own. Oh well, to each their own. If someone else wants to check out strategy guides the day of release, have fun with it then. I'll join you sometime down the road.
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Post by cantabrian on Oct 20, 2005 21:31:39 GMT -5
You are right about the mindset being different between mp and sp, at least in my mind. Thats why i'll be playing sp for a while to "discover" the game then off to mp to be competive. Im glad there will be good articles to read before going mp. As with civ3 sp and mp where totally different and you die rather quickly employing sp tactics in mp ;D And i found they (c3c articles) where more of a overview about how it worked without getting into to many specifics, they didn't ruin the discovery of it at all for me.
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Post by Avogadro on Oct 21, 2005 13:53:43 GMT -5
Here in MP, many of us tend to quickly release their findings and secrets. Why? The answer is simple. In order to test one's true skills, one gives up his knowledge so that the competition may become all the more fierce. I mean, who wants to feel like they are beating on their grandma all day? Just like in all things in life we improve by playing and practicing with people better or equal to us skill wise. I pro hockey player would rapidly lose his edge if he played against amateurs. It goes the same for civ. I know in c3c I tend to have my best games when I know the opponents are strong. If it's too easy I will often get lazy and die Besides learning to MP does not mean one cannot gain alot playing sp on their own. When is the last time someone saw anyone rush to republic in an MP game? It doesn't happen simply because in MP the parameters are different. Fried has always be known to share knowledge gained. It vastly improved alot of the ladders MP skills. And although I do not wish to speak for him, I'm sure that by doing so it allowed him to discover even more little "tricks" out of necessity in order to remain among st the best. Wrong?
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Oct 21, 2005 17:37:00 GMT -5
The only way to learn is to get beat with your own tricks or better ones, it's true. My earliest articles on C3PTW are actually contradicted by my last articles in C3C.
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Post by scoobyntn on Oct 22, 2005 10:49:40 GMT -5
Beating up on the AI isn't particularly difficult once you perfect your multiplayer skills. However, even for multiplayer C3C vets, single player should be the way to go early on in Civ4. SP affords you the opportunity to get familiar with the interface, develop strategies and analyze the nuances of the game at your own pace. Initially, there's much to be gained by analyzing how the AI plays. While there's nothing wrong with jumping right into the frying pan, you may find it harder to absorb "the basics" in the heat of multiplayer competition. Once you have a solid understanding of the game mechanics in single player, you can begin to work on the uncovering the "tricks" that most C3C vets take for granted. There is no doubt that some of the tactics you'll find work fine in SP, just don't cut it against living breathing opponents. Ultimately, we all want to be competitive in the multiplayer arena, but after breaking open the game packaging and installing Civ4, don't forget to let the game entertain you.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Oct 22, 2005 10:53:19 GMT -5
You may find the AI a bit more of a challenge, even after mastering the mechanics for multiplayer, actually.
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Post by Trayk on Oct 22, 2005 12:56:25 GMT -5
Beating up on the AI isn't particularly difficult once you perfect your multiplayer skills. ::cough:: Bullexcriment ::cough::
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Post by Sirian on Oct 25, 2005 4:34:34 GMT -5
You may find the AI a bit more of a challenge, even after mastering the mechanics for multiplayer, actually. *grin* "When there is but one right answer you're not in a strategy game!"Hey, that sounds familiar. ::Waves to all the cool MP peoples:: Fried's keeping his articles under wraps for a few more days, but I'm hanging the Single Player folks out to dry. I'm not writing any articles for them! So I can break it loose a little sooner, not having any NDA conflicts to babysit. (They can get Fried's official guide if they really need the help -- and some of them probably will.) Say, how do I change this REALLY DARK BLUE background so I can see what I'm typing. - Sirian
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Post by heroray on Oct 25, 2005 9:03:53 GMT -5
Looks like Fried is undefeated and the Games have begun.
Nice.
When will the tips section be unlocked?
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Post by Avogadro on Oct 25, 2005 9:22:57 GMT -5
About a week. They asked us to wait until release of game in Europe. won't be long
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Post by conmcb25 on Oct 25, 2005 9:23:11 GMT -5
By the way, you might want to budget a few extra dollars when you buy the game to also purchase the OFFICIAL STRATEGY GUIDE which will be published around the same time the game comes out. Rumor has it that a certain person we all know was instrumental in its production. SPM Is that REALLY still a rumor? I thought he already announced that he worked on it? Speaking of which does anyone know if the Strat guide will indeed be available at about release time???
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Post by sparta on Oct 25, 2005 9:49:36 GMT -5
Looks like Fried is undefeated and the Games have begun. Nice. When will the tips section be unlocked? of the 7 testers who have played ladder games, I am PROUD to have the worst record of all of them ;D
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Post by Avogadro on Oct 25, 2005 10:33:36 GMT -5
naw you dont, I own that distinction but I forked money over to myleague so I get to reset stats ;D
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Post by sparta on Oct 25, 2005 11:05:48 GMT -5
naw you dont, I own that distinction but I forked money over to myleague so I get to reset stats ;D lol, did you like my kill on you for your first ever ladder game? I love those cheese rushes
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Post by Avogadro on Oct 25, 2005 12:32:57 GMT -5
well in SP I always do worker first...looks like I will need different approach here
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Post by TheGoddess on Oct 25, 2005 13:43:15 GMT -5
Here in MP, many of us tend to quickly release their findings and secrets. Why? The answer is simple. In order to test one's true skills, one gives up his knowledge so that the competition may become all the more fierce. I mean, who wants to feel like they are beating on their grandma all day?
Totally disagree here. I NEVER release any of my "secrets" or "strats". I find these to be what sets us apart from each other. If everyone did the same thing you did in a game, then there are only 2 things that decide victory, the terrain and who plays the defender, the attacker will always lose if the terrain is equal.
My style is just that, MY style, this is one of the main reasons I have and still oppose the clan mentality. Its nothing more than sub-par players riding the coattails of a few extraordinary players. Many share their tips/tricks for popularity, however I think most share it for their "clan" so that the lesser players will not weaken their standings. This is why I perfer to play alone. I dont share 1st place.
Just like in all things in life we improve by playing and practicing with people better or equal to us skill wise.
Now I agree with this comment, but not to the extent of giving away "answers" aka your strategy.
Fried has always be known to share knowledge gained.
Sharing knowledge is great, telling someone how to play is different.
It vastly improved alot of the ladders MP skills. And although I do not wish to speak for him, I'm sure that by doing so it allowed him to discover even more little "tricks" out of necessity in order to remain among st the best. Wrong?
Wrong? Not necessarily, but this I believe is where the backstabbing comes into play, or the boring build, build, build games, pointsleepers if you will. Cant tell you how many players I have seen that do nothing more than "buy time" while others fight, then come in and mop up the rest after everyone else has spent their forces. Then they think they are a great player. Is that skill?
Put Phan and Retnuh head to head while I sit back and build my hiney off, then clean their clocks after they each have expended themselves. Is that skill?
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