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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 20, 2007 0:42:39 GMT -5
OK, I'm giving up. If there is one thing that the hole global warming argument has taught me, its that consensus = truth. Going threw this thread I can only gather that I'm a racist, bigot, idiot. The fact that I was arguing a political point that words should not be banned by laws doesn't matter. The Meir mention of the banned words is enough basis to label me racist/bigot/whatever. So, now that my fellow civvers have deemed me a "word-terrorist", now what. What is the punishment for this crime? Should someone be able to sue me? Are you all gunna start hating me even more then normal? Exile me to the land of mis-pit civvers? I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I'll always stand on my principles and my principles tell me that banning "words" is wrong. If that makes me a "word-terrorist" then so be it. I await your judgment.
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Post by DustyDragoon on Nov 20, 2007 1:08:51 GMT -5
I have stated in more than one post that I do not feel any words should be banned. Nor did I at any time say that any should. What I have tried to get across is we are "all" intellegent people and that we should use our vocabularies in an intellegent manner. Does this mean I am calling anyone stupid. NO Just the opposite, what I am stating is that knowing what our choices do if used improperly, (to hurt someone) why would an intellegent person purposely do that unless they are ignorant (unaware) of how that person would feel. Ignorant does not mean a person is stupid, used in the manner I used it. It means they are not educated in that particular area. Just so you don't say I am calling you stupid again. There are alot of things I know I am ignorant of as well but this by no means makes me stupid. Don't mix the two up TGS, as I feel no one in here has at any time called you stupid. Thanks DustyDragoon PS TGS, if I were to call you stupid would I not be using the same method to hurt you as I am saying racist's use? Would kinda usurp what I am trying to get across would it not?
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 20, 2007 2:04:06 GMT -5
I have stated in more than one post that I do not feel any words should be banned. Nor did I at any time say that any should. What I have tried to get across is we are "all" intellegent people and that we should use our vocabularies in an intellegent manner. Does this mean I am calling anyone stupid. NO Just the opposite, what I am stating is that knowing what our choices do if used improperly, (to hurt someone) why would an intellegent person purposely do that unless they are ignorant (unaware) of how that person would feel. Ignorant does not mean a person is stupid, used in the manner I used it. It means they are not educated in that particular area. Just so you don't say I am calling you stupid again. There are alot of things I know I am ignorant of as well but this by no means makes me stupid. Don't mix the two up TGS, as I feel no one in here has at any time called you stupid. Thanks DustyDragoon PS TGS, if I were to call you stupid would I not be using the same method to hurt you as I am saying racist's use? Would kinda usurp what I am trying to get across would it not? I've been called all kinds of things. Just because someone calls me an "idiot" in a nice way, doesn't mean they aren't callin me an "idiot". I believe I am well informed on the subject of Stalinism. But thats just my opinion. I, however, believe you have the right to have the opinion that I am ignerent in the subject. I also believe you have the right to express this opinion. As long as you don't cross the line by "breaking my nose"(infinging on my rights), you are free to say what you want. I'm not offened that you hold these opinions either. Infact, its quite the opposite. I'm glad you have opinions and I like seeing you expressing them with class and dignity. It truely is a breath of fresh air. I got nothin but respect for u DD. You've always been cool so I don't want you to start hating me too. I would take your advice and start with the commen ground, that we agree words shouldn't be banned, but I'm gunna let this go. The vast majority have come out agaisnt me and I can't keep up. I'm glad we agree that banning words with laws is a bad thing.
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Post by DrShot on Nov 20, 2007 4:32:37 GMT -5
Sure Doc, thats all well and good, but this is not a movie theater were I can choose what movie I wish to view. This is the world wide net in a gaming room that has no racial slurs attached to it nor are there suppose to be, so why is it some feel they have to abuse that forum in order to amuse themselves by demeaning others. Mel Brooks also wrote those movies in good humour and are not set up to actually hurt others but to have them laugh at themselves as he does, (Mel Brooks is Jewish). What I am talking about here is not a form of "Humour"but a form of violence. People who demean others by using racial, sexist remarks in order to hurt others. PS I do tell others that I am a Canadian who Parent was Scottish born. Thats life. Some people simply like to antagonize or enjoy being obscene. Selective viewing may be the only way to elude that problem. My entire point, the basis for mentioning Mel was to offer a prime example about "context" the theme I have continually sounded true to throughout this discussion. He uses the same woirds yet in a non offensive manor(to some degree, not entirely). My mother does not like the way he displays his comedy. I really enjoy it, I understand it for what it is: double entandre can be fun too! Yes, to mention your heritage is completely different than to have someone mention you as their Scottish-Canadien friend (still sounds funny). I would say the majority of Black people have little or no ties to Africa in a direct sense. Lets take my other neighbor, he is from Planet Claire. I do not wat him to be the Clairien-American, JUST AN AMERICAN. Join the club or move on...
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Post by Lestat on Nov 20, 2007 8:23:43 GMT -5
woumans ....
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Post by zzZhenon on Nov 20, 2007 10:58:46 GMT -5
OMG LOOK OUT IT'S A LIBERAL!! AAAIIIIIIEEEEE! It's difficult to make TGS and Doc understand when they ignorantly use the word liberal as if it were a racial slur
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Post by TheBadSeed on Nov 20, 2007 11:03:48 GMT -5
OK, I'm giving up. If there is one thing that the hole global warming argument has taught me, its that consensus = truth. Going threw this thread I can only gather that I'm a racist, bigot, idiot. The fact that I was arguing a political point that words should not be banned by laws doesn't matter. The Meir mention of the banned words is enough basis to label me racist/bigot/whatever. So, now that my fellow civvers have deemed me a "word-terrorist", now what. What is the punishment for this crime? Should someone be able to sue me? Are you all gunna start hating me even more then normal? Exile me to the land of mis-pit civvers? I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I'll always stand on my principles and my principles tell me that banning "words" is wrong. If that makes me a "word-terrorist" then so be it. I await your judgment. Im looking back through this thread, and I cant find a single place where making words illegal is mentioned by anyone but you, TGS. In fact, in reading your response to my last post, you repeatedly say that you should be able to call the police if someone offers up a racial slur. My solution is a civil suit. Difference is, a cop cant do anything about it unless its against the law, a civil suit is possible even without an action being against the law, so long as the action caused harm to another. I hate to tell you, TGS, but your repeated use in various threads of the word "Islams" in replacement of "muslims" and repeated written attacks on muslims has shown that you are indeed a racist/bigot. I'm not sure how anyone could gather any other conclusion from reading what you write regarding muslims. If you'd like me to search all the quotes, I'd be happy to, but I think anyone who reads this forum regularly knows exactly what Im talking about. Just because its popular these days to hate muslims doesnt make it any less bigotted. If you don't want to be percieved as a racist/bigot, perhaps you need to change your strategies. Make your target a little more specific, TGS.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 20, 2007 11:28:23 GMT -5
I like Ron Paul. It scares me that liberals are trying to ban free speach. They want to make it a law that u cant call a black guy a nlgger or a gay guy a f*g. I will gladdly use these words in the defence of free speach. I'll call u whatever the hell I want too. If you can get locked up for calling someone a f*g/nlgger, then we are in trouble. Better start building the internment camps. This is my post that started this hole thing. My hole arguement is about making "words" illegal to say. Islams, last time I checked, are waging gehad against "the great satan". I see them as an enemy of freedom. They have a huge history of violance. They have set the human race back technologicly several times. And what have they contributed to humanity? Oh wait, they invented the cliterectimey. I guess you enjoyed watching them blow up ancent buddist temples in afganistan. That really pissed me off. I "hate" how they treat women. I "hate" how they killed 3000 americans on 9/11 in the name of islam. In all reality, they are luckey america has turned from an indepentant, strong nation, to a dependent, apothetic one. So call me a bigot because I will aways "hate" islam and all it stands for. Maybe when someone you know falls victom to those animals, you'll feel differently too.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 20, 2007 11:35:55 GMT -5
OK, I'm giving up. If there is one thing that the hole global warming argument has taught me, its that consensus = truth. Going threw this thread I can only gather that I'm a racist, bigot, idiot. The fact that I was arguing a political point that words should not be banned by laws doesn't matter. The Meir mention of the banned words is enough basis to label me racist/bigot/whatever. So, now that my fellow civvers have deemed me a "word-terrorist", now what. What is the punishment for this crime? Should someone be able to sue me? Are you all gunna start hating me even more then normal? Exile me to the land of mis-pit civvers? I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I'll always stand on my principles and my principles tell me that banning "words" is wrong. If that makes me a "word-terrorist" then so be it. I await your judgment. Im looking back through this thread, and I cant find a single place where making words illegal is mentioned by anyone but you, TGS. In fact, in reading your response to my last post, you repeatedly say that you should be able to call the police if someone offers up a racial slur. My solution is a civil suit. Difference is, a cop cant do anything about it unless its against the law, a civil suit is possible even without an action being against the law, so long as the action caused harm to another. I hate to tell you, TGS, but your repeated use in various threads of the word "Islams" in replacement of "muslims" and repeated written attacks on muslims has shown that you are indeed a racist/bigot. I'm not sure how anyone could gather any other conclusion from reading what you write regarding muslims. If you'd like me to search all the quotes, I'd be happy to, but I think anyone who reads this forum regularly knows exactly what Im talking about. Just because its popular these days to hate muslims doesnt make it any less bigotted. If you don't want to be percieved as a racist/bigot, perhaps you need to change your strategies. Make your target a little more specific, TGS. If i was calling you a child raper instead of a (insert racial slur here) its the same thing. You can call the cops on me for desturbing the peace. The cops will come warn me unless I'm being real bad, then they just hall me off. But they usually warn you 1st. Harrasing people is agaist the law already. ok, so take that Dog the Bounty Hunter guy. I've never seen his show and never heard of him till his racial slurs where made public. He was recorded using racial slurs in a private phone call. Should he be able to be sued for using the banned "words". Whats your take on this?
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Post by TheBadSeed on Nov 20, 2007 11:44:45 GMT -5
I personally believe that anyone can be a nigar. I understand the term is limiter to black peoples, yet I have known many a non black nigar. This line alone demonstrates just how awful that word is. Do you know any white-trash that isnt white? Do you know any sp.cs who arent hispanic? Do you know any k.kes that arent Jewish? But the word, derived from the word "negro", meaning black, you know people who fit that word who arent black. Amazing. That makes that word all that much worse if it can transcend its normal boundaries and find other people to include in its hatefulness. You know people so bad that they deserve to be called an insult normally reserved for black people. Wow. Please tell me you understand now. My mom's husband, from Alabama, likes to say that all the time. That he knows "White n.ggers". He is probably the most racist person I know, and denies it to the end. He doesnt understand now why my kids arent allowed to go visit them in Alabama anymore because they came home with a new vocabulary that isnt part of our culture in western Nevada.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 20, 2007 11:49:02 GMT -5
I personally believe that anyone can be a nigar. I understand the term is limiter to black peoples, yet I have known many a non black nigar. This line alone demonstrates just how awful that word is. Do you know any white-trash that isnt white? Do you know any sp.cs who arent hispanic? Do you know any k.kes that arent Jewish? But the word, derived from the word "negro", meaning black, you know people who fit that word who arent black. Amazing. That makes that word all that much worse if it can transcend its normal boundaries and find other people to include in its hatefulness. You know people so bad that they deserve to be called an insult normally reserved for black people. Wow. Please tell me you understand now. My mom's husband, from Alabama, likes to say that all the time. That he knows "White n.ggers". He is probably the most racist person I know, and denies it to the end. He doesnt understand now why my kids arent allowed to go visit them in Alabama anymore because they came home with a new vocabulary that isnt part of our culture in western Nevada. If the slurs are so bad. Pass laws agaist there use. Thats what the debate is about originally. Ban "words" with laws. If you say a slur, you can get sued. If you got no money, you go to the camps.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 20, 2007 11:56:05 GMT -5
He doesnt understand now why my kids arent allowed to go visit them in Alabama anymore because they came home with a new vocabulary that isnt part of our culture in western Nevada. The culture of gambling, prostitution, and meth is far superior.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 20, 2007 12:16:20 GMT -5
I re-read the post in both "racial" threads. I think I'm pretty consistant. My over all message is that a word should not be banned by a law / Saddam wanted to nuke Isreal, was consistant. All slurs are bad and repectable people don't use them because its disrespectful. My main thing is that if I'm in a private conversation and use a banned word, I shouldn't go to jail. But as an "idiot" I guess I didn't make my point good enough so I conceded. Not everyone is a master-debater
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Post by TheBadSeed on Nov 20, 2007 12:43:46 GMT -5
The culture of gambling, prostitution, and meth is far superior. 1. Yes they are.. gmbling/ prostitution/ meth use are all self indulgent vices in which the victim is fully complicit. (Dont start on what crimes these vices lead to, I'm fully aware of that, but its another thread altogether) 2. Prostitution, gambling and meth use are unique to Western Nevada? *rofl*
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 20, 2007 13:00:51 GMT -5
The culture of gambling, prostitution, and meth is far superior. 1. Yes they are.. gmbling/ prostitution/ meth use are all self indulgent vices in which the victim is fully complicit. (Dont start on what crimes these vices lead to, I'm fully aware of that, but its another thread altogether) 2. Prostitution, gambling and meth use are unique to Western Nevada? *rofl* If prositution, gambling, meth was a country, Nevada would be the capitol
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Post by cv431410 on Nov 20, 2007 13:13:30 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait, ... I have an idea ;D
;D"Might makes it right" ;D; wouldn't you agree?
So The Bad seed and The Great Satan will have a Ladder 1 vs 1, winner wins the arguments.
To be fair, it has to be at least a 2/3 win, or even 3/5 win.
;D ;D ;D
PS. I have no clue what your guys are arguing with except knowing your guys are arguing
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Post by TheBadSeed on Nov 20, 2007 13:14:11 GMT -5
ok, so take that Dog the Bounty Hunter guy. I've never seen his show and never heard of him till his racial slurs where made public. He was recorded using racial slurs in a private phone call. Should he be able to be sued for using the banned "words". Whats your take on this? I would say that if the woman who was repeatedly referred to by the 'N' word feels embarassed, slighted, or otherwise harmed by Dog's rant, she would have the legal grounds to sue not only "Dog", but also his son, who made the tapes and released them to the media, and also any media outlet who aired the tapes without bleeping it. This action made her a topic of conversation, (one could argue thats the price of dating a celebrity) and a showpiece on national tv in a negative manner. Civil lawsuits have been filed for much less.
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Post by TheBadSeed on Nov 20, 2007 13:25:37 GMT -5
If prositution, gambling, meth was a country, Nevada would be the capitol There are legal gambling operations in all 50 states. I would venture to say that Nevada has the lowest instance of illegal gambling operations. Casinos hate competition. Benefit: its all properly taxed, regulated, and monitored by the state gaming commission. (Which, in Nevada, is not a group to mess with. I've seen them make their arrests, they look like a freakin' swat team when they decide to move in on someone.) There is illegal prostitution in all 50 states, legal prostitution in only one. Prostitution has been a part of human culture since the advent of civilization, probably before that. Its not going away. The state of Nevada at least recognizes this reality and provides a legal and "safe" method for it. Benefit: its all properly taxed, monitored by the state board of health, and performed in areas that are monitored by security personnel. Meth: well, meth is just bad, no matter how you look at it, but Nevada is only slightly ahead of the curve in this growing nationwide problem. Meth use has actually declined in Nevada in the last year, while it has grown in other parts of the country. We also consume more alcohol per citizen than any other state in the country, but I think that has more to do with the tourists coming in and getting loaded the entire time they're out than it has to do with the citizens of Nevada. (Though I certainly do my part to keep the average up!)
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Post by TheBadSeed on Nov 20, 2007 14:17:40 GMT -5
Islams, last time I checked, are waging gehad against "the great satan". I see them as an enemy of freedom. They have a huge history of violance. They have set the human race back technologicly several times. And what have they contributed to humanity? Oh wait, they invented the cliterectimey. I guess you enjoyed watching them blow up ancent buddist temples in afganistan. That really pissed me off. I "hate" how they treat women. I "hate" how they killed 3000 americans on 9/11 in the name of islam. In all reality, they are luckey america has turned from an indepentant, strong nation, to a dependent, apothetic one. So call me a bigot because I will aways "hate" islam and all it stands for. Maybe when someone you know falls victom to those animals, you'll feel differently too. Bigotry = judging the majority by the actions of the few. I hate those actions too, and the individuals who perpetrated them, TGS, but I certainly dont blame the religion of Islam nor the Muslim people. People of all faiths throughout history have killed in the name of their religion or their God. I would venture to say that most of these people never understood their religion to begin with. These people arent representatives of their religion, or their people, they are nothing but a splinter group of militants. Did Timothy McVeigh represent Christianity when he blew up the Oklahoma federal building? I bet that was what he listed as his religion. When you say you hate Islam, and all its people, you tell me you hate my friend Ham, a Kuwaiti Immigrant who is serving in the US Army as a translator, trying to keep people from dying due to miscommunication. You are saying you hate the thousands of Iraqis who put their lives on the line against their own people by joining the Iraqi police force in a bid to attempt to bring order back to their country. You're willing to hate all of them because of the actions of a very small, but effective minority. That's pretty much the definition of bigotry, TGS.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 20, 2007 16:52:43 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait, ... I have an idea ;D ;D"Might makes it right" ;D; wouldn't you agree? So The Bad seed and The Great Satan will have a Ladder 1 vs 1, winner wins the arguments. To be fair, it has to be at least a 2/3 win, or even 3/5 win. ;D ;D ;D PS. I have no clue what your guys are arguing with except knowing your guys are arguing I like to think I'm debating the issues of our time with a fellow civver. I have no negitive feelings toward TBS. Infact, I've learned a lot from him and this hole discustion. As for the Dog guy, I think its totally lame he can be sued. If there are hard feelings, the people liable would be the people that released the tape. If I found a secret tape of Hitler blasting the Jews, and I played it, and the Jews where offeneded, Do they sue Hitler?
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