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Post by tommynt on Jun 1, 2006 12:21:05 GMT -5
ya last ccc we just played ren with fast timer with a "friend" clan, was very fine - other game with medium was booooring. oh and a poor guys u r all soooo serious - i say we ll win - how nasty and rude - come on
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Post by eiffel on Jun 1, 2006 12:47:21 GMT -5
Mmm, what is MUD ? Can't recall... Oh, I see, i think it was a former CCC Winner... nice to see old clans trying to make a come back ;D Try to get enough points to play on sunday, it would still be a nice performance ;D
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Post by MookieNJ on Jun 2, 2006 18:52:30 GMT -5
Why so many Ancient starts this time around?
1v1 on Friday Ironman and 4v4 on Saturday 3v3 on Sunday
That's 4 out of 9 events starting in Ancient, while both Medieval and Industrial do not get a single event!
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Post by Gogf on Jun 2, 2006 20:04:44 GMT -5
I second Mookie's post. Bring back the Medieval and Industrial!
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Post by tommynt on Jun 2, 2006 21:12:48 GMT -5
sooo many anc??
in fact it s 2 anc events and as they played on weired maps they arent really anc but more like classical events
Ironman covers pretty much all eras but isnt deceded in anc for sure - and 1-1 is just 1-1
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Post by lporiginalg on Jun 2, 2006 21:47:22 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to the 5v5 ren, a nice change for clans to put together an uber strong team and show their cumulitive strength, just hope we don't run into scrap issues.
I had a lot of fun playing in the future event even tho we got owned by LKT and I think tommy's argument that oh, only those clans play that era so it's not fair is pretty rediculous. The future era is great because the strat for these games is completely different from any other era and ya you need to practice it a bit or you'll get owned. Funny thing is MUD seems to favor ancient settings in their games more than any other clan so I'm not suprised you have no problem with all the ancient starts which I find kind of boring when we could be playing industrial. I'm not a huge fan of med but I loves me a good industrial game.
It probably doesn't need to be said again but I agree with the rest that ring map doesn't suit ancient, this map/event should be the industrial one, not a small pangea like last time. Pangea's a good map tho, just not for industrial.
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Post by lporiginalg on Jun 2, 2006 21:54:35 GMT -5
erm correction, industrial ctons are great fun on standard pangea, just not a 3v3 on a small pangea since we all saw what happens there.
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Post by swissy on Jun 3, 2006 2:40:09 GMT -5
Future start is the worse era start. I never had a future start game I enjoyed playing even the ones I won. Once the ICBMs start flying, play is tedious at best. Even at 80 turns the games seem to drag on forever. If this event remains, perhaps 2 v 2 may work better, less nukes to slow down the game.
I'm still waiting on more individual events. As it is there are only two; one requires you either live in euro timezones or not work the CCC friday, the other takes up pretty much your whole saturday. Why not an Ultimate Cton for Civ4 CCCs?
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Post by ninou on Jun 3, 2006 4:54:45 GMT -5
"I had a lot of fun playing in the future event even tho we got owned by LKT and I think tommy's argument that oh, only those clans play that era so it's not fair is pretty rediculous. The future era is great because the strat for these games is completely different from any other era and ya you need to practice it a bit or you'll get owned. "
Just thank you lpo. I appreciate to find players who not criticize always everything just because they don't like it or don't know to play it. It was really fun to play with you Illuminati. See you next time.
Ninou
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Post by tommynt on Jun 3, 2006 5:13:28 GMT -5
oh well this ccc just proved me - Futuure is unplayable crap and nothing else at least with nukes - I m tired of saying it as I know very well that when i say something ios crap i know very well that there are 10 others just saying tommy is dumb and wants only play anc as he s best there - thats all bs - futuure with nukes is unplayable it laged so much I could not enter city screen to pick units to produce - once a game is that bad there is 0 skill involved it s all about who is most experienced with playing with lag. If u dont believe me i can send u save, not sure if u experience same when loading save without others in game - this lag is a fact and nothing else - MDR players themselfs said they experience same lag. Once i m not able anymore to move 5 units and enter 3 ciites in nearly 2 minutes and wait after evry nuke like half min with a all stuck game is just enither fun nor playable another possible option imo d be to ban nukes. if all like indu so much (i like indu aswell latly) just replace fut by indu - but get rid of this nuts and aslong there are only 2 land units dont talk about great strat in fuutre - it s all about (mass)mechboatlanding and nothing else - every1 does these landing dont tell me crap as u d not try to win in this way oh ya forgot about this great strat to nuke - really rocks
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Post by Arvcran on Jun 3, 2006 5:42:53 GMT -5
Perhaps this is a question and dependent on answer suggestion:
I have a little difficulty understanding the seedings. It says random so I assume that this is what it is.
Not sure how much effort it would be but should there not be a clan ladder? Use clan rankings for knock out tourney? The ranks of clans could be determined by running points in CCCs perhaps?
I think seedings should not be random in my opinion - though I don't have the history of the thinking behind the decision to go random. Having two big clans meet each other in 1st round does lend opportunity for smaller or weaker clans to reach pointdom :-). Perhaps this was the reasoning.
Arv.
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Post by eiffel on Jun 3, 2006 7:35:19 GMT -5
Why would someone play an era he hates so much ? I'm not used to future, don't like it a lot but I don't know it well. But I know some players love this event and have a lot of fun playing it. It's just not your cup of tea, just play some other era.
Btw, you went to finals in that crappy event, guess it wasn't that crappy in previous rounds ;D
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Post by swissy on Jun 3, 2006 14:37:56 GMT -5
I liked future start during the playtest. They were fun games, but then we had 6 players who were pretty much playing together for weeks and had zero connection conflicts. The CCC throws together players who would not normally play together due to timezones, so you don't really know that the connection between you and another player lags like your both on dial-up.
Clan ranking for seeding would be to much of a hassle to pull off. You have to seed by registration number and have the teams register in order, most likely delaying an event start. When do you cut off for registration, if start time then your spending 15 mins getting the right registration order. More hassle then it is worth.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jun 3, 2006 18:35:13 GMT -5
Future start became very popular in CIV3, but that doesn't seem to be transferring to CIV4, where, for example, Rennaissance is MUCH more popular.
We are not wedded to having a Future in every CCC. I am trying to react to the criticism that it shouldn't always be Ancient start either, we need a mix.
Once this CCC is over, I'm going to run a poll on the Era starts people want to see.
Best, SPM
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Post by MookieNJ on Jun 3, 2006 19:58:11 GMT -5
5v5 Ren on Inland Sea was a lot of fun to play in CCC as we play it often in Ladder, although the timer really needs to be bumped up to Fast. Medium is waaay too slow.
As for best eras to play, in my opinion --
I think 1v1 is best played on Ancient the way it is.
The 2v2 on Classical is ok the way it is.
I think the 3v3 Future should change be 3v3 Industrial.
The Ironman is great the way it is -- a test of all eras.
The 4v4 Ancient is fine, too.
5v5 Ren was a great addition!
3v3 Medieval needs to make a return, that was a really fun event.
We could play 3v3 Modern on Sunday as well? Future could be rotated into this slot every other CCC if enough people like it, but
2v2 Random is a great way to end the CCC.
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With a lineup like this, we get a pretty large representation of all the eras --
2 Ancient 1 Classical 1 Medieval 1 Renaissance 1 Industrial 1 Modern 1 Random 1 Ironman Spanning All Eras ---------- 9 Events with something for just about everyone!
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Post by MookieNJ on Jun 3, 2006 20:53:40 GMT -5
Also, would it be possible to get the event list more than a week in advance? Even if the exact date/time/event order is still to be determined, it would stll be really helpful. For example, we invested a lot of time practicing for Medieval and Industrial only to find them left off the event list this time around .
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Post by eiffel on Jun 3, 2006 21:43:59 GMT -5
Why should we remove future ? It's a different gameplay but it's still civ4. Those who love renaissance won't be confortable with future but some others love it.
Btw, a poll is fine, but a group of clan members thinking of events and parameters should be better, hope it will be up in the next few days ;D
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Post by venceslas on Jun 4, 2006 7:42:02 GMT -5
For this CCC the rules about civ choice is: "On all other days, where CIVs are chosen, the order of selection will be based on the currently posted standings on our web page" Previously, the rule was the clan with the most point the day before. Due to the fact that's almost impossible to have a ladder web page always update, I think the previous rule was better. Ok actually, this rule is only important for the ironman Timer fast on modern is too fast. chris.
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Post by ninou on Jun 4, 2006 10:19:00 GMT -5
Future start became very popular in CIV3, but that doesn't seem to be transferring to CIV4, where, for example, Rennaissance is MUCH more popular. We are not wedded to having a Future in every CCC. I am trying to react to the criticism that it shouldn't always be Ancient start either, we need a mix. Best, SPM I really don't understand your opinion. You are right SPM, as reny is so popular, we should play 1vs1 ren, 2vs2 ren, 3vs3 ren, 4vs4 ren....... Quit ridiculous. Some people are saying that futur is always the same BUT other game are always the same too if you have a team strategy. In ironman event yesterday, I received approx 15 nukes on my head (thx EBD) and I stopped approx 10 nukes with IDS but loose the last piece for space victory because of that. Any way lets see the poll. Ninou
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Post by swissy on Jun 4, 2006 10:58:58 GMT -5
Event #8 was a pure buildfest. I played India and had no hills for my capitol. Their India had three I could see plus workablr capitol metal, game over at launch. Even with forges early, their India was 50% over my MFG output and I was #2 in mfg.
Everyone had metal, everyone had horses. The only diffrence was start areas, they had two players with a good balance between food/hammers, we had one. Map was to big to make a late attack and there were plenty of double forest/jungle blocking positions.
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