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Post by SirPartyMan on May 27, 2006 13:16:00 GMT -5
Dear Friends:
This is the place for you to make comments and suggestions about this and upcoming CCC's.
Best, SPM
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Post by eiffel on May 27, 2006 15:45:58 GMT -5
Well, a lot of big changes in this CCC. 4v4 followed by 5v5, it will be hard to fill both for some clans. 5v5 Renaissance Inland Sea No Russia, usual format... but with Barbs ON ? Will be no fun, put barbs in ancient events if you want but in this event, I don't see why. No more medieval event ? There are a lot of medieval era fans. Ancient era event on ring ?? What's the purpose of this ? Ancient SimCity ? Ring is best when some real boat units are available. Random event in battleground according to title, and in Shuffle according to event detail
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Post by MookieNJ on May 27, 2006 15:54:13 GMT -5
I am excited to see the 5v5 Inland Sea Renaissance start! As one of the more popular ladder games at the moment, it will be fun to see this event fought out between the clans.
I agree with Eiffel that it could be a little troubling to have the 4v4 and 5v5 on the same day, but hopefully the 3 hour start time gap will solve some roster problems.
I was surprised to see the Medieval event replaced by a second Ancient start teamer. A Medieval start, or Industrial, would work pretty well on the Ring map, as more boat options would be available for naval warfare.
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Post by deyreepher on May 28, 2006 0:11:16 GMT -5
Smuckey is the master of Classical/Medieval.
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Post by tommynt on May 28, 2006 7:59:23 GMT -5
medivial is by far the worst eras of all - really wonder who d like it back - totally unbeatable longbowman available from kinda start without challengers untill t 60 or so and arent there even huts which can totally unbalance game?
a 5-5 and 4-4 in timeframe of 3 hours in times of few active players ... wtf
why just neglact conenction and lag problems and do a 5-5? 5-5 s just get scraped in like 1/4 or even more and with more unknown players participating in ccc the chance is even higher how u wana end a event with 7 game (if 8 clans sign in) if 2 of em get scraped? or need 7 hours due to all the problems
and where is that discussion meeting?
with a scedule like that a just make new clans worth off - but we really need new active clans. MUD and RAY and some French ladder clans is just not enough
imo more events (like 15)and maybe a cap of playable events per clan (like 10) d attract more players and with more 2-2s also smaller new clans
oh well I ll try to puplish the ccc to more players, maybe for example to the new german "ladder" there should imo just be more different games for different tastes - maybe a cton a ffa a allways peace a island game or so. we really need more players and maybe ccc could be 1 possiblity to attrackt some.
dont get me wrong ccc as it is fits my tastes very good .. 1-1 .. ironman .. 5-5 ren - events i really like but I just think that there is more out there
I d maybe even open ccc to nonladder players but there are some con arguments for that aswell i guess
another thing is that the scedule is everytime same way - I d really appreciate this discussion forum about it - with some outcome for next ccc - atm there are allways like 50 or more posts in suggestion thread and ccc is everytime same. As said it s not really a problem for me - but maybe for others
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Post by churchill1 on May 28, 2006 9:26:07 GMT -5
except for the possible exception of the ironman there is no cton style games at all. everything is teamers and i think just one 1v1 event.
so i, and i'm sure others, would really like to see some cton events. an ancient inland sea cton is a must. heh. there are a million of these everyday so it should be represented.
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Post by matth on May 28, 2006 9:33:48 GMT -5
I'm not used to say that but i agree with what Tommy said This is the worst schedule and setting i ever seen for ccc. (by the way its not my problem as i will not be able to play this one ). 4v4 + 5V5 + Ironman at the same moment... That just cant happen. And anyway in my opinion i dont really see the interest of a 5v5 with big stack everywhere. We all know how to make stack of knigths, musketteer or even cavalry.... What the interest in that ? First to attack on a side at 3 vs 1 will win. But apparently some of you are happy with that so why not. But still with 5v5 game if there is only one game that do not end fast with a rush then the 2nd turn will be played 7 hour later... For others event like the event 8 : 3v3 ancient on ring with 2 city elim in 100 turns What's the goal in such an event ? Score ? The one with the more and the biggest city will win... really interesting once again... And finally i want to say that i'm finally not agree with all tommynt said : I love medieval and others love it too. I hope it will be back soon. In conclusion i really think that the event of the ccc must be prepared with the advice of 1 player per clan usually involved in the ccc. Good luck to all clan for this ccc, and thanks to the administrator for organizing it even if i'm far from beeing ok with setting.
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Post by GERMANIA on May 28, 2006 9:56:53 GMT -5
So here are some changes witch need to be fix this CCC because this would be boring and wrong if they stay!!!
Event #5 Saturday, June 3rd, 2006, 10:00am EDT The Classic Big Game
Players: 4v4 Limit: 110 turns Timer: fast Era: Ancient Map: Balanced, standard Civ Choice: yes No City Raising: Checked No Barbs: Checked Elim: 1-city ON Substitutions: Yes
This mapp is to big for a 4vs4, my suggestion would be small TBG, ore pang small with low sea!
Event #7
Sunday, June 4th, 2006 starting 9:00 AM EDT The Sunday Modern Clan Tourney
Players: 2v2 Limit: 110 turns Timer: fast Map: Pangaea small Era: Modern Civ Choice: yes Elim: 2-city ON No City Razing: Checked No Barbs: Checked Substitutions: Yes
COME ONE !!! Non except MDR are playing future but now to bring a ages with non is playing is stupid please let us use those ages witch we ( most ladders) enjoy and that means Anc, Medi Rene! So switch this to a Medi/ Rene on TBG
Well i would change more but those are the importen changes witch need to be done
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Post by eiffel on May 28, 2006 10:23:50 GMT -5
I agree with Matth, medieval era is a very fun era, especially with inland sea... it's a really underated era IMO. It offers different strategies and tech path. Wonder what is that super-longbow tommy was talking about Germania is a TBG fan/expert on every era, not me... rather see medieval inland sea or renaissance ring ;D Ancient on ring will be the more boring game ever. And I'm still wondering how many cities will be captured by barbs in the 5v5 renaissance event Btw, i agree with tommy, we need more clans and more events But i'm sure this CCC will be fun as always (hoping some things are fixed).
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Post by deyreepher on May 28, 2006 13:10:00 GMT -5
Have you considered swelling up the number of clan members in your clan to ensure that all events are covered?
We've done this in RaY so that there'll be at least 2 subs for every player per event. What, hopefully will follow, is that sometime in the future that a number of our players will feel confident enough to break off and form their own clans and recruit even more people from the ladder/non-ladder community and introduce even more people to the thrill of the CCCs.
Unless the CCC participants themselves go out and play non-ladder games or let non-clan ladder members know about this event, there simply won't be new/more players. I'm proud to say that RaY has 3 players new to the CCC on their roster. May not seem like much, but when your roster is restricted to 20 members, that's a good percentage.
Also, I feel your pain matth. This will be the first CCC I get to participate in. Only get to do 1 event, but it's better than the sitting on my hands I did for the last 2.
Also...longbows are killable. Catapults are an early unit you start out with in Medieval. You just have to look at the different angles that are available to you. If you truly feel longbows are a pain in the butt, you can go Persia or Inca for the UU archery bonus. Or some other Ancient Civ such as Egypt for cheap units that are disposable. Sometimes you have to think outside of the era that you're playing to find the unit that you need for the situation.
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Post by charliebrownparker on May 28, 2006 13:47:25 GMT -5
and where is that discussion meeting? Good question Still waiting for Admins reply on TD's forum. Wish you all the best for this coming CCC. Enjoy playing CIv4.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on May 28, 2006 14:32:15 GMT -5
I must admit I'm not sure that ring-Ancient is appropo either; certainly not in lieu of a medieval event.
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Post by deyreepher on May 28, 2006 16:25:31 GMT -5
The ring would almost ensure that all ancient game turns are played to the last. It would definitely be a good idea to change the map for that event.
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Post by Ellestar on May 31, 2006 11:04:58 GMT -5
Dear Friends: This is the place for you to make comments and suggestions about this and upcoming CCC's. Best, SPM Dear Admins: Comment: as it was already stated after previous CCC, don't put several big events in the same day. Suggestion: Hang on a nearest tree someone who did it again. Best, Ellestar
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Post by deyreepher on May 31, 2006 12:41:54 GMT -5
Well....the planning worked out well for our clan. At most, we have members playing in 2 events, but on seperate days. Not very sure how the other clans got into the bind that they're in.
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Post by tommynt on May 31, 2006 15:09:32 GMT -5
MUD ll fill every event and not loose a single one - future is no event but a gift to frenchies
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Jun 1, 2006 7:56:16 GMT -5
MUD ll fill every event and not loose a single one - future is no event but a gift to frenchies Translation: Tommy doesn't like it. Could you be any more rude to SPM or to the French ladder community?
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Post by tommynt on Jun 1, 2006 8:25:33 GMT -5
rude? ? oh well looks like u FP are one of the persons who allways try to find the negative in everything - no it wasnt meant rude - in no way I attacked SPM or French player - all I wana say is that the majority of ladder players agreed that fututre in the form it is atm is no fun and therefore only few players got experience with it - so is the event a "gift" to the few players being experienced at it. I dont even criticize that it s part of ccc - we all knew for ages that it d be part but most just dont wana train for it. a thing it d really critizize is that neither the ren nor the biggame are played on tbf - oh well u can discuss wether a map without water is fun for ren but even in map descriptions is stated that tbg is the best map for multiplayer teambattles there is no use to play the teacher in these Forum FP - most of us are grown up - I know very well when i m rude and when not and this is a comment and suggestions thread - u really expect only posts like heya 90% exactly same as last month - how great? I even said in a previous post thats imo in overall a good ccc scedule
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Post by deyreepher on Jun 1, 2006 9:58:53 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with FP, that is a bit rude. Most of us ladder players have respect for the MUD players, but some of your statements border on straight up arrogance. There are more French clans than there are of the other Euro communities or American ones put together. I for one, am happy that they're participating, otherwise that's nearly half the participants of the CCC gone, which you pointed out could use more players/clans.
Show your fellow ladder members the respect that, at the very least, you would want to be shown.
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Post by eiffel on Jun 1, 2006 11:52:04 GMT -5
Btw, who has won all the last future events ? Don't think it's a french clan... About renaissance event, after some tests, the timer is soooo sloooow. We play it with fast timer in the ladder and games are already quite long... here we'll have 5 hours min. per game if timer is medium and no early kill (and barbs are a pain, I think I already talked about that ;D). About ancient 3v3 on ring, i'm so happy I won't play this boring event...
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