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Post by Gogf on May 20, 2006 22:33:20 GMT -5
Ring is a different map and is interesting, can lead to some fun and tough sea action. Inland sea already used in medi era event, we really don't need to see more inland sea events since it's already almost the only map played in the ladder every day. CCC can be the place to start discovering new maps/eras too And for cossaks, as long as each team can pick 2 russias, shouldn't unbalance the game and MDR already won this event without picking russia. Cossacks aren't imabalancing if you both teams get them, but they aren't fun either.
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Post by Ellestar on May 22, 2006 7:12:37 GMT -5
And for cossaks, as long as each team can pick 2 russias, shouldn't unbalance the game and MDR already won this event without picking russia. So far votes divide that way: About 70 or so players playing Ren teamers almost every day: imbalanced Eiffel: balanced Hmm i wonder who's right? Russia is banned in Ren teamers for 3 months or so already (there were ZERO games with Russia allowed in the last 3 months). And it's so for a reason.
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Post by tommynt on May 22, 2006 9:22:48 GMT -5
but es as soon both teams get em they are np anymore - and they make ren a much more attck then sit back and build stack based game as they kinda own all def units as redcoats
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Post by eiffel on May 22, 2006 11:00:24 GMT -5
I think i'm going to call you "Elle" in the lobby and games, Ellestar... I know you love that ;D Btw, I've never said we should unban cossaks in large inland sea teamers we usually play since they ruin the game in this setting, especially when we play with "new" players. Don't compare what is different : Ring in a CCC event is a completely different game, with players trained for this special event. Btw, I will never agree that the majority is always right. Even if I'm alone, I would still express myself whatever you may think
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Post by charliebrownparker on May 22, 2006 15:18:13 GMT -5
Ellestar you don't think CCC shall be the exact reflect of ladder games. Many clan players doesn't play on ladder game as you do. In my oppinion CCC is the only competition allowing players to meet and compet against people from other ladders (us, german, french.....). If you wish to play only with ladder games rules CCC wouldn't include future indus ironman or medieval starts too. Thoses events with specific rules are parts of CCC charms.
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Post by Ellestar on May 23, 2006 4:18:32 GMT -5
but es as soon both teams get em they are np anymore - and they make ren a much more attck then sit back and build stack based game as they kinda own all def units as redcoats What if cossacks are on different flanks? How do you plan to defend against them? Also, they don't always make a game more attack based. You can't attack with Cavalry against Cossacks. So, you can't attack on at least one flank and you need pikes+catapults to defend on that flank (so you'll not be able to counter-attack later as well). If you still remember it, old games with cossacks on Inland were 3-4 hour games most of the time. Or they ended with a 50+ Cossack stack upgraded from Knights killing one flank. It's not a fast game as well, and research after Cossacks is not important because you'll not live to Rifles anyway. Ellestar you don't think CCC shall be the exact reflect of ladder games. Many clan players doesn't play on ladder game as you do. In my oppinion CCC is the only competition allowing players to meet and compet against people from other ladders (us, german, french.....). If you wish to play only with ladder games rules CCC wouldn't include future indus ironman or medieval starts too. Thoses events with specific rules are parts of CCC charms. It's not a rule issue, it's a balance issue. I think i'm going to call you "Elle" in the lobby and games, Ellestar... I know you love that ;D I think i'm going to call you moron then. If you purposefully call me that way, i consider it an insult. It's not because i don't like it, but because you puropsefully ignore my request not to do it. Btw, I've never said we should unban cossaks in large inland sea teamers we usually play since they ruin the game in this setting, especially when we play with "new" players. On ring it's even harder to defend against Cossacks because of a transport landing. Galleon with a double move is significantly faster than Pikes on roads (8 vs 3), and Cavalry can't defend vs Cossacks anyway. I played on Ring with Cossacks so i know what i'm talking about It's even worse than a normal transport landing. Don't compare what is different : Ring in a CCC event is a completely different game, with players trained for this special event. That still doesn't make Cossacks any more balanced. Btw, I will never agree that the majority is always right. Even if I'm alone, I would still express myself whatever you may think That's right, but since it's a discussion, i'm noting for ladder admins (not you) that most players don't agree with you. Also, if you state that you don't agree with a common ladder rule that was made after several months of playtesting by a ladder community, IMHO you should state some reasons why you think it's not valid. And they should be damn good reasons if you want your personal opinion to matter.
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Post by eiffel on May 23, 2006 7:23:05 GMT -5
My opinion always matter, at least to me Don't be scared of transport landing, just scout the seas, be sure to control the middle sea and/or protect coastals. You should always be prepared against sea action in Ring, it's the perfect map for this. Civ4 is a strategic game and Ring a strategic map, far more strategic than inland sea IMO. And I know Inland sea renaissance events, played hundreds of them with and without cossaks... and I rather see cossaks banned in them. I've also played a lot of CCC renaissance ring events, and I don't feel the need to ban cossaks. If they are banned and If I'm playing this event for my clan, It's not a problem too. I'm not saying i'm the one who is right, just giving my opinion. But thanks for being so nice once again, Ellestar EiffelStar ;D
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Post by tommynt on May 23, 2006 12:38:14 GMT -5
if 2 out of 3 choose rus - the back player can support this 1 flank with cossacs - oh well i maybe agree that the noban of russ limit civ choises to 2 rus and 1 eng or other way round - thats not really very interesting - considering that i d even support a ban of rus but they are no big balaance or unbalance issue
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