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Post by libertas on Nov 4, 2005 4:56:57 GMT -5
Sid,
Well, my first civ game was about 12 years ago. Board style civilization 1 was a lot of fun. Since then, every new version, I was a bit disappointed but multiplayer game gave it a new wind. It was fun too loose. Honestly! Figuring out how to win against AI was relatively easy task, but Cai's, Zaxx's or Cobra's (and many more) mind was much more difficult to read. And much more fun to beat, too. Also I met lots of funny, interesting and smart people. Virtual friends. Some were annoying too. But this civ4 is total fiasco for Firaxis and Sid. Civ3 was buggy, but civ4 is ten times worse. In addition it's too slow and actually at the moments boring. Years of fun are gone, and I consider saying bye to civ and this 'community'.
Sid, whatever your ladder name, write a big letter of apology to your fans and fix this problems ASAP! If you need help call and we will all help you. A quick patch may help a bit, but this revision has more problems than that.
In the mean time, most of us will attempt to play this game because of what it was and not because of what it is.
Really, is it time to say good bye to civ?
Does any other addict feel like me?
Disappointed Ben (Libertas)
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Nov 4, 2005 7:42:30 GMT -5
With any new generation of the game, some players will like it, and some will not. There are quite a few new faces, and sadly, some old ones will leave. I know I've met and played quite a few new ladderites in the past week. I'll be sorry to see some leave, but that happens.
Clearly you don't remember C3 out of the box. That's fine. (It was a lot - LOT - more buggy than this. Go back and install just the C3 disk and play a full game if you want to see.)
C4 has a few bugs that will be remedied in the first patch which, rumor has it, is less than a week away. With six eras to choose from and more units in the same timeframes, if you find that boring...well. That happens. I'm glad to see that many do not.
Some come, some go. Good luck finding what you want, because for many of us - and many new faces - it's still right here.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Nov 4, 2005 8:38:54 GMT -5
Sure, there are bugs. I've seen two OOSes already (although 2 in a week isn't so bad based on C3C experience). I've seen lobby crashes (though windowed mode seems to clear that up). Did we all love C3C 1.00??? It took several patches to get Conquests working semi-acceptably.
But, overall, this is the best CIV I've ever played. More depth and complexity and alternative strategies. The learning curve seems to have frustrated some.
So far we have 537 members of CIV4Players with 1780 games played in about 1 week. Some countries haven't even seen the game yet. I have no doubt that in a couple of weeks those numbers will have jumped very significantly.
Change is a good thing. A lot of people were "bored" with the old game. Our numbers have fallen off over in CIV3Players for the last 12 months. There is a lot of excitement surrounding the new game.
Granted some people are frustrated because their computer isn't hacking the requirements of the new game. Please read our forums and listen to the experts tell you what you need and don't need. Upgrading your memory or graphics card will help a lot of your other applications as well.
Sid, if you're a member of our ladder, you don't have to apologize at all. You should be proud of building something that has enriched so many people's leisure lives. I wish I'd done it.
To all our members, be patient. Let us know when you encounter bugs. We have a pipeline into the development team and will pass all these observations along with a note saying "PRIORITY".
In the meantime, keep having fun and learning.
Best, SPM
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Post by Lestat on Nov 4, 2005 10:36:56 GMT -5
SPM wrote : I've seen lobby crashes (though windowed mode seems to clear that up).
Nah im using windowed mode and my record in lobby was 10 minutes. Yesterday every minute CTD. If u chat or not chat if i scroll or not scroll always CTD. Need patch urgent...
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 4, 2005 11:28:29 GMT -5
it's coming...
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Post by StarlightDeath on Nov 4, 2005 11:42:52 GMT -5
Eras which you will never see in an MP game. Civ2 had 16 different military units used in a typical MP game that ended with gunpowder. Civ4 has how many used?
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Post by Random on Nov 4, 2005 12:54:16 GMT -5
We had an OOS that game that I think really upset him. I gave out instructions that if the one who has a different set of numbers in the the last 4 of first series should drop and hotjoin. Well this had happened several times and every game started with an OOS so I guess 2 hours later everyone got tired of trying to fix OOS and said lets play on. In truth I think one would automatically type what ever 4 numbers they seen the person before them type. Anyway late in the game timer froze so the only way to fix this was a complete reload, after reload he had only 1 city and had lowest score. We as in the other players seen his score being the lowest anyways, but he said he had 7 cities and had the highest score. Anyway the moral of the story is that OOSs do matter, and they do truly affect the game. In conclusion I will again state the way to announce OOS and how to fix. 1. All see the OOS and in the first series of numbers report to all the last 4. 2 All look at the numbers reported by others and one who has a different series should drop and hot join. 3. Upon re-entry check to see if OOS is gone, and if not repeat all steps. This may sound like a pain but is much faster than c3c ever was as only 1 person usually has to find his way back to the game. This also works on drops, there is no need to ever do a complete reload unless the game will not continue.
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Post by Trayk on Nov 4, 2005 13:03:39 GMT -5
I also believe a lot of the OOS issues are caused by Warez copies of the game out there. Another thing the first patch should clear up.
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Post by yilar on Nov 4, 2005 13:18:19 GMT -5
I also believe a lot of the OOS issues are caused by Warez copies of the game out there. Another thing the first patch should clear up. Being a little naive? I have a friend who ran the warez version (ISO) till it came out overhere, now he bought the game and it is exactly the same. Instead of having the disc on his virtual drive, he has it on his dvd drive. The difference is almost nothing. Btw, if oos = restart or make all people rejoin or something... Someone always has different save.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 4, 2005 14:24:49 GMT -5
If you are going to restart it should be the hosts save that is used, but normally if the person with the different OOS number quits and hotjoins restarting is not required.
CS
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Nov 4, 2005 18:16:18 GMT -5
Eras which you will never see in an MP game. Civ2 had 16 different military units used in a typical MP game that ended with gunpowder. Civ4 has how many used? \ Pssst. Era selection is right there on the opening menu, along with map, speed, climate, and so on. But let's count... 1.Scout 2.Warrior 3.Chariot 4.Horse Archer 5.Axeman 6.Spearman 7.Swordsman 8.Crossbow 9.War Elephant 10.Catapult 11.Maceman 12.Caravel 13.Galley 14. Longbow 15. Knight 16. Musket 17. Archer All of those (except possibly the scout, which I understand could be argued) come at or before gunpowder. There's also, arguably: Great People- 1. Merchant 2. Prophet 3. Engineer 4. Scientist 5. Artist 6? Missionary 7? Explorer Depending on how you look at it, there are quite a few active units around the gunpowder era.
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Post by armageddon1 on Nov 4, 2005 18:23:06 GMT -5
I thought Civ 4 was gonna be oos free. I haven't bought it yet, but is there any good single player conquest mods like in c3c conquests? And is it a better game for single and multi player?
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 4, 2005 22:41:42 GMT -5
CIV is still a peer to peer game, and it can't 100% 00S free, but it is much better than C3C and the dev's are working hard at fixing any 00S issues that may still be hanging around.
CS
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Post by libertas on Nov 6, 2005 7:03:32 GMT -5
FP,
Thanks for responding to my mail. My very first online game (PTW) was with you 1v1. We never forget first loss.
I actually succeeded in playing two Civ4 games. It was painful, but we finished them. The game still has an old charm and potential and I agree that the concept has more features then civ3. The problem is in the execution.
The problem is actually exactly as described. The game was not ready for release. Civ3 was not ready also. Two bad do not make it good. I understand it is a business, and there are deadlines, but then there is also a business practice called Quality Assurance. Not only 14 years old kids in the play room.
My critique is not malicious, I wish more games from this franchise but if there is no QA the result will be exactly opposite of desired. I hope that this type of feedback have an impact in that area.
The lobby is obvious need of fix, but in my opinion the bigger problem is the lack responsiveness to the mouse and keyboard events. (Very obvious when chatting in the game.)
I will play a game here and there, but not as I used to. I wish to everyone working to fix these problems good luck.
No, need to respond to this posting, all was said.
Ben (Libertas)
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Post by Sly_time on Nov 6, 2005 13:54:22 GMT -5
Bem my old friend and clan member...i can only say give it a chance...i have been finding myself liking this version more and more as i play it...i have not had an OOS issue in any game i have played yet
I am learning things as i go that are making me more successful at it all the time...myself i am not a big fan of ancient starts but definitely like a classical start which tends to be my favorite start with a lakes map...i havent had the chance to play a team game other than with Onan when i just threw myself in the game and we awere playing the AI....
Is this C3C...no...but it has its own charm...the game just got better for me when i finaaly figure out what setting to use for stack attacks...LOL... not attacking with stack doesnt take 3 turns lol...and for those sledghammer players like myself I have had the pleasure of decimating a cton with a stack of 50 war chariots and in another game had a stack of 30 with 5 or 6 different type of units in it...besides Ben in this game not likely to die to a stack of 40 archers while you are Sumeria...just kidding old friend...but give it a chance the patches will fix some of the issues just like it did for PTW and when the expansion comes out the sky is the limit
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Post by TheGoddess on Nov 6, 2005 17:55:35 GMT -5
I thought OOS's didnt exist?
Libertas,
The only criticism ever really listened to is the monitary one, as in to buy it or not.
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Post by thejesus on Nov 12, 2005 14:37:09 GMT -5
I feel your pain brother Be strong. In 2 to 3 years civ 5 will be out and hopefully sid will have had learned from the mistake i like to call civ4.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 12, 2005 16:51:03 GMT -5
That's what I like to see...good constructive feedback CS
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Post by TheGoddess on Nov 12, 2005 16:58:35 GMT -5
CS,
I think most of the regulars feel the same way. This game is broke beyond repair. No mod, no patch will make this game enjoyable to most of the same people that enjoyed it as Civ3.
Many of us feel betrayed and/or sold out.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 12, 2005 17:02:25 GMT -5
CS, I think most of the regulars feel the same way. This game is broke beyond repair. No mod, no patch will make this game enjoyable to most of the same people that enjoyed it as Civ3. Many of us feel betrayed and/or sold out. Well I disagree with you Goddess and apparently so do 876 other people that are playing CIV on the ladder alone. But that wasn't my issue with "Jesus" only that he fails to state why he doesn't like CIV, and just feels free to slag it for some unknown hidden agenda. CS
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