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Post by Atomation on Oct 24, 2006 14:41:07 GMT -5
Why aren't players that don't complete a formal challenge automatically docked rank, as the rules say will happen?
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Post by Tony on Oct 24, 2006 14:43:13 GMT -5
Heres another question i have on a similar theme ... why is atomation always crying?
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Post by MookieNJ on Oct 24, 2006 15:04:30 GMT -5
Who is to say who is to blame for a formal challenge not being completed? I could challenge someone and then disappear for a week. Why blame the player I challenged when I go MIA? Also, I could go away for a few days and receive a challenge while I'm gone. Why should I be penalized for taking a few days off from Civ4 and the Internet in general? There's already a system in place for docking idle players of their rank.
Also, I saw one player challenging other players during CCC weekend. This should be strictly prohibited.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Oct 24, 2006 15:10:12 GMT -5
The formal challange procedure is strictly controlled by Cases software, not us admins. I believe if you fail to complete 3 formal challanges you will get punished. We can reverse the damage after it has happened but we can't stop or effect the Cases policy in place.
CS
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Post by notagoodname on Oct 24, 2006 19:31:44 GMT -5
Who is to say who is to blame for a formal challenge not being completed? It is getting pretty blatant as to who's fault it is. I saw Wanggon challenging the #1 to a 1v1 constantly for a while (Wanggon was #2 at the time). The #1 always refused saying he only plays teamers. I don't think Wanggon would have won, but i now have a lot more respect for Wanggon, he has done everything he can to get a 1v1 out of that player. In fact i think this is the first time the ladder has had a #1 who absolutely refuses to play 1v1s.
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Post by DrShot on Oct 24, 2006 19:48:08 GMT -5
Easy solution there. Simply make it a Ren era teamer 1v1... problem solved
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Post by MookieNJ on Oct 24, 2006 20:09:40 GMT -5
What if you just don't like to play 1v1?
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Post by notagoodname on Oct 24, 2006 20:21:33 GMT -5
The ladder rules state if you are in the top 25 you must accept a 1v1 duel challenge. You can refuse and be dropped in rank but you can't demand the match be played as a teamer.
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Post by Necrominousss on Oct 25, 2006 0:41:08 GMT -5
Who gets to decide the settings? Challenger or challenged?
I would think rank has its privileges and the challenger should play whatever game he can get.
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Post by notagoodname on Oct 25, 2006 0:45:07 GMT -5
Who gets to decide the settings? Challenger or challenged? I would think rank has its privileges and the challenger should play whatever game he can get. The rules for a challenge are fixed and are available in the ladder rules.
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Post by Necrominousss on Oct 25, 2006 0:48:09 GMT -5
Who gets to decide the settings? Challenger or challenged? I would think rank has its privileges and the challenger should play whatever game he can get. The rules for a challenge are fixed and are available in the ladder rules. I'd rather someone with less important things to do read it for me. Would you get on that for me no name?
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Post by notagoodname on Oct 25, 2006 1:45:09 GMT -5
Just get your special needs assistant to do it for you if you can't read necro
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Post by MookieNJ on Oct 25, 2006 2:22:50 GMT -5
Who gets to decide the settings? Challenger or challenged? I would think rank has its privileges and the challenger should play whatever game he can get. +1 Perhaps we can bring the challenge rules up to date a bit? Not everyone enjoys playing 1v1, and not everyone has received their rank by playing 1v1. There's a lot more to Ladder play than a duel sized 1v1 Mirror map ... All in all though, to make a big to-do about challenges is kind of silly when you consider that, from active members on the ladder, all time there have been 12 challenges issued and 19 challenges received. This does not count challenges concerning players who have had their accounts purged.
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Post by tommynt on Oct 25, 2006 6:17:24 GMT -5
Mookie no1 want that every1 should play 1-1 but if some1 want to claim #1 spot as long as mettalian does, he should prove being worth it very reguarly and in different types of games imo.
When i was in top 3 and wanted to be there I played just kinda everyday and everytype of game.
Apart that there is a clear rule that challanges have to be played 1-1 if not both players agree on different type of game. It s a good rule imo as #1 player SHOULD be 1 of the best players not the one who is able to pick/gather the best team.
1 reason of the low number of challenges was that untill now kinda every1 having #1 ladder spot was worth #1 and played different kind of games with different peoples instead sitting on his rank. There is no reason to challenge if the player ll play u anyway.
In end i dont care at all, rank says nothing. People know who are good players by experience and skill rating indicates SKILL way better then rank as it s name even says.
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Post by MMV on Oct 25, 2006 8:16:37 GMT -5
Challenge Match
22. PLAY CHALLENGE GAMES FAIRLY: To ensure all challenges are conducted fairly, the following game standards are required for formal challenge matches only:
1 - Challenge games are limited to a 1 on 1 duel
2 - You must be in the top 25 to issue a formal challenge
3 - You have 5 days to complete a challenge match otherwise you will both be penalized
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Post by SweViking on Oct 27, 2006 10:34:08 GMT -5
1v1 duel? Damn, iknow some highranked players that ONLY plays inland sea teamers in medi or ren era.. I guess the nr 1 spot will never change then ;D
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Post by Speaker on Oct 27, 2006 15:09:32 GMT -5
1v1 duel? Damn, iknow some highranked players that ONLY plays inland sea teamers in medi or ren era.. I guess the nr 1 spot will never change then ;D Funny, but I guess playing those inland sea teamers in medi or ren is enough to win CCC? Please tell me the name of 5 20 players currently in the top 20 who actually play 1v1 games? It's just not a popular game type and hardly a judge of skill. If the #1 player reached #1 without playing a single 1v1 game, why should he need to play 1v1 games to keep his rank? Simply put, it's an obsolete rule.
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Post by DustyDragoon on Oct 27, 2006 15:58:59 GMT -5
1v1 duel? Damn, iknow some highranked players that ONLY plays inland sea teamers in medi or ren era.. I guess the nr 1 spot will never change then ;D Funny, but I guess playing those inland sea teamers in medi or ren is enough to win CCC? Please tell me the name of 5 20 players currently in the top 20 who actually play 1v1 games? It's just not a popular game type and hardly a judge of skill. If the #1 player reached #1 without playing a single 1v1 game, why should he need to play 1v1 games to keep his rank? Simply put, it's an obsolete rule. The number one ranked player (IMO) should be a person that is able to play in all game styles well. Not saying they should be the best at them all but they should be able to hold their own in all styles of play. Otherwise how could you possibly consider them as a number one ladder player. Number one teamer player yes or number one 1v1 player but not a number one player overall which is what I beleive the ladder was originally set up for. Dusty
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Post by Tony on Oct 27, 2006 20:45:16 GMT -5
Simply put, it's an obsolete rule. Im guessing here but i dont think CS or SPM would agree with you on this, but i guess we gonna have to ask them! If a formal challenge is issued and the 2 players cant decide on a game type surely the game must be the one set out in the rules, otherwise the challenge feature of cases is pretty piontless.
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Post by Atomation on Oct 27, 2006 23:02:46 GMT -5
1v1 duel? Damn, iknow some highranked players that ONLY plays inland sea teamers in medi or ren era.. I guess the nr 1 spot will never change then ;D Funny, but I guess playing those inland sea teamers in medi or ren is enough to win CCC? Please tell me the name of 5 20 players currently in the top 20 who actually play 1v1 games? It's just not a popular game type and hardly a judge of skill. If the #1 player reached #1 without playing a single 1v1 game, why should he need to play 1v1 games to keep his rank? Simply put, it's an obsolete rule. It's alot easier to climb the ladder playing teamers, as one teamer provides you with 3-6 wins on the average, while a 1x1 is obviously just 1 win. Because of this, players that do teamers will always pass the players that only play 1x1s as it would require an inordinate amount of time and opponents just to have any chance of keeping up with someone who does only about 2 teamers a day. The challenge system seems like a way of evening this problem out a bit, and a 1x1 is more of a judge of skill than a teamer (although no one game of any type is a good juge of skill - only the aggregate of games over a long period of time). Honestly, most non-ccc teamers seem to only test a player's ability to thoroughly abuse a noob on the front of another team as quickly as possible.
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