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Post by smatt834 on Jun 28, 2006 2:01:16 GMT -5
What is the earliest any of you guys have gotten liberalsim? Can any of you beat 900 AD?
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Post by Elledge on Jun 28, 2006 2:30:43 GMT -5
I can hit 200 BC with a good start and no interference (water map), but I don't actually usually get liberalism then; I generally go down the Machinery tree to Optics and get to astro, so I end up taking astro with lib around 400 or 500 AD in an average game. All depends on land though; I've been as early as 200 AD on that and as late as 1000 AD. It also depends if I manage to grab Parthenon and Great Library, both of which are practical but not guarantees with my tech strategy.
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Post by tamijo on Jun 28, 2006 2:40:21 GMT -5
How dop y get a clock on your Screen
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Post by lporiginalg on Jun 28, 2006 3:16:43 GMT -5
It depends on the map size.
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Post by MookieNJ on Jun 28, 2006 4:00:01 GMT -5
Just a general tip -- you shouldn't play with the pings showing at all times because it causes more lag!
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Post by Elledge on Jun 28, 2006 4:38:47 GMT -5
Just a general tip -- you shouldn't play with the pings showing at all times because it causes more lag! That seems completely silly. Have you actually tested it?
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Post by notagoodname on Jun 28, 2006 5:24:49 GMT -5
You can get liberalism in BC times quite easily (especially if you are phi) Recipe to get liberalism in under 70 turns from ancient on quick speed: 1) Reasearch Meditation,polytheism. 2) Build stonehenge 3) Reasearch priesthood, mysticism. 4) Start reasearching towards music 5) Build the oracle and get code of laws instantly with it 6) Use your first great prophet to instantly get civil service (as long as you dont have masonary you can get civ service with a great prophet) 7) When you have everything you need to get music start researching paper Edit: and philoophy (thanks elledge ) 8) Use your second prophet to instantly get music (as long as you do have civil service and dont have masonary a great prophet will give you music) 9) Use the great artist you get from music to get education (education is so expensive that it works faster to go music first and spend the great artist) 10) Research liberalism Voila! You have lib well within BC times
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Post by tommynt on Jun 28, 2006 6:07:39 GMT -5
voila - tommy got 15 axe and 20 catas in front your doors
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Post by Elledge on Jun 28, 2006 6:55:25 GMT -5
You can get liberalism in BC times quite easily (especially if you are phi) Recipe to get liberalism in under 70 turns from ancient on quick speed: 1) Reasearch Meditation,polytheism. 2) Build stonehenge 3) Reasearch priesthood, mysticism. 4) Start reasearching towards music 5) Build the oracle and get code of laws instantly with it 6) Use your first great prophet to instantly get civil service (as long as you dont have masonary you can get civ service with a great prophet) 7) When you have everything you need to get music start researching paper 8) Use your second prophet to instantly get music (as long as you do have civil service and dont have masonary a great prophet will give you music) 9) Use the great artist you get from music to get education (education is so expensive that it works faster to go music first and spend the great artist) 10) Research liberalism Voila! You have lib well within BC times That's a pretty quick beeline. My tech path focuses a bit less on GP tech spam and more on building a strong commerce base; I usually concentrate heavily on my capital as a super commerce city while throwing out little expansion cities that I don't pay much attention to until later. I try to get at least one good hilled production city besides my capital so I can shoot for Parthenon (hate the artist points in my capital) and maybe Hanging Gardens if other people are lazy with wonders. Generally I will start out with worker techs (BW, agri, AH) and ignore stonehenge. If there's particularly good cottage land (i.e. fps or grassland river) I get Pottery --> Writing, otherwise I get Priesthood --> Writing, and if there are trees to chop I usually try for oracle, but often miss it because I don't play ind civs. Then I go up to Priesthood and Monarchy for hereditary rule in my capital, and code of laws for caste system, while I pop out my first great scientist and use him for an academy. Then I research Civil Service myself as I generate another scientist. Usually with a bit of micromanagement I can get the scientist at the same turn as CS, which means I can use him for Philosophy and switch to Bureaucracy and Pacifism simultaneously, usually sometime from 1000-500 BC. Then I usually go up to Literature while I cook another Great Scientist and if I think I have a chance at Great Library I build it; otherwise at least I can build National Epic. If Music isn't taken I research that. Meanwhile when my scientist is about to finish I research Paper, which should only be 2 or 3 turns, and use the scientist on Education which takes 1 more turn to finish off. Then I can get Liberalism immediately or feel free to work toward Astronomy first depending on the situation.
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Post by Elledge on Jun 28, 2006 6:57:56 GMT -5
voila - tommy got 15 axe and 20 catas in front your doors However this is what usually actually happens if it isn't an islands map =)
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Post by notagoodname on Jun 28, 2006 7:12:44 GMT -5
voila - tommy got 15 axe and 20 catas in front your doors Actually by using great people for tech you dont actually lose much in the way of hammers. On a large, spread out cton both defending and rushing for tech with GPs isn't that hard.
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Post by Bantams on Jun 28, 2006 8:52:19 GMT -5
Just a general tip -- you shouldn't play with the pings showing at all times because it causes more lag! Thats true i noticed this bug recently also
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Post by tamijo on Jun 28, 2006 9:10:11 GMT -5
noobs shouldent have to read stuff like this, it makes me cry.
Never even thought about getting lib. in a ancient CTON
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Post by Bantams on Jun 28, 2006 9:26:27 GMT -5
How dop y get a clock on your Screen UNDER GAME OPTIONS OF COURSE TICK SHOW CLOCK
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Post by MookieNJ on Jun 28, 2006 14:02:00 GMT -5
Just a general tip -- you shouldn't play with the pings showing at all times because it causes more lag! That seems completely silly. Have you actually tested it? I've been told it creates extra network congestion as all the peers need to constantly ping each other to establish all the ping rates shown on the screen ... if this is an extra ping not done if alt+n isn't pressed, and a lot of people in the game are doing it, it's going to slow it down some.
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Post by smatt834 on Jun 28, 2006 17:03:44 GMT -5
noobs shouldent have to read stuff like this, it makes me cry. Never even thought about getting lib. in a ancient CTON lol Noobs crying over early lib ha ha
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Post by Avogadro on Jun 29, 2006 0:51:27 GMT -5
Hey notagoodname, Please copy your reply and place it in strategy forum. You shortcuts to liberalism is simply impressive. You come up with that on your own or got it in another civ board?
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Post by tommynt on Jun 29, 2006 3:11:15 GMT -5
this great strat involves getting both henge and oracle - u just dont get em both in a regular game - espacialy when involving a phi civ - there s no phi indu civ also goin for upper path (to music) ll make u miss important techs like iron monarchy construction - i also doubt that going for music is worth it - u need like 3 techs which u usually dont need oh well the approach isnt bad
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Jun 29, 2006 6:10:22 GMT -5
this great strat involves getting both henge and oracle - u just dont get em both in a regular game - espacialy when involving a phi civ - there s no phi indu civ also goin for upper path (to music) ll make u miss important techs like iron monarchy construction - i also doubt that going for music is worth it - u need like 3 techs which u usually dont need oh well the approach isnt bad Agreed. In isolation, this is a good strategy - if not entirely new - but in practicality, it's not likely to happen in any game where your skills alone won't already earn you a serious advantage. (If you can pull this off, you should already be able to win handily anyhow.)
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Post by Elledge on Jun 29, 2006 6:58:36 GMT -5
In general I hate relying on wonders to do anything for me, because there's always a tommynt with an industrial civ who is going to get them first. I like being able to grab Oracle or Great Library if the coast is clear, but I don't want a strategy to fall apart and be set back 15 or 20 turns because I can't get the GP / can't get the free tech / whatever from them.
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