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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 4, 2007 16:40:19 GMT -5
"taxes (you know, for that FREE medical care up there)" You said gas is more expensive because of healthcare. I'm saying the converse of that- Cheaper gas because of the lack of universal healthcare. Okay? TGS- Like I said, people(Like you, it appears) are too stupid to admit they're wrong and change. There is a lot of oil on the earth- about 40 years left(estimate) But there is WAY more coal- 250 years left(estimate) Although, we are using oil a lot faster than coal. We could just build a ton of solar collecters in Arizona, New Mexico, or some other sunny place. Problem with that is that is it might affect some animals' habitats. I'm sure there are other problems, you will fill me in on that, I'm sure. Nuke power plants would be okay if they didn't create hazerdous waste. And there's also the possibility of meltdown... If you only use your pickup 1% of the time, it would probably be cheaper anyway to get a car and just rent it when you need it. Or use the company car. I'm saying the taxes should increase proportionatly the more money you make. So the filthy rich would be taking care of their country instead of destroying it, like that story I showed you. But poor people would pay no taxes at all- if they can barely take care of their families, they don't need to take a further pay cut. It's communist, sure- but what's so bad about it? All I'm trying to do is eliminate poverty. Those are the values of communism that I like. You seem to focus on the bad parts and keep in denial of the good parts. Our healthcare system is the best in the world? Show me. And the more **** gets sold, the cheaper it gets? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so. The bigger the demand, the lower the supply, and thus a bigger price? Just look at the oil prices. Are they getting smaller? Read that other thread I started- #3. They only care about money. Put yourself in the shoes of the poor, then I bet you'd want universal healthcare, and the right to food and water. There is no changing you, you will always argue with me. You refuse to believe any ideas but the ones in America. I think you were raised Republican. You were brainwashed and now it's too late. There are some good parts of Conservatism, but you refuse to listen to anything else. So I guess it's like talking to a wall here. Too bad. You, MMV, DrShot, etc. will not listen to me and will always criticize me. Again, too bad- just sharing my ideas, but it's pointless I guess. remeber when u said that. so if america has a crappy healthcare system, but all the best docters in canada moved here, what does that say about canadas system?
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 4, 2007 16:46:25 GMT -5
(thats gold there, you got SMACKED. ur trying to tell us all how great canadas healthcare is, then u say all the good docters come to america to work. then u say, because america pays docters more, that somehow wrecks the commie system u like.)
(ah memories, ya that was a SMACKIN if I've ever seen one)
I guess all I'm trying to say is that I don't want people to die if they could have been helped.
(but they don't. thats what i'm telling u. hospitols have to treat people, its the law. but ur brainwashed by an ideology that serves the elite. huge drug contracts are the last thing the little people need)
But it still looks like I need to organize my points better. I'll keep trying.
(keep trying, I hope u open ur mind to "truths"and stop with the emotional points u make)
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Post by DrShot on Nov 4, 2007 19:29:04 GMT -5
I did not review your Nuclear links, presumeably they denounce the benefits of NP based on the threat of terrorism. That said we should not have any leves, damns (hoover, bust up that and its big trouble) or other potentially dangerous facilities. France is a country that has been mostly NP for a long time now. Frankly I would bet the US standards for everything, from security to safety, would be a cut above the French, I may be wrong. On the Med front of the discussion: Well, I really don't want to simply cut and paste or rephrase what satan has written. I will if the message was not clear enough though, let me know. Liberals actions are based on emotion. Liberals react. Conservatives actions are based on logic. Conservitives act. Entitlements? Ob, how about housing? After everyone gets free health care to go along with their other subsidized living how about a free home? taxation would only be around 50-70% that would leave a lot left to milk for free homes for the unemployeed. Ironic that the higher taxes would leave less $$ for people to spend. Less money being spent would increase the unemploment rate. More taxes would be generated to support the unemployeed. To toss back to the topic about Bill Clinton. He did a lot of crappy things, a lot of good happened under his 15 mins in office too. I think the Newt run congress was one of the best things to happen to the nation since Reagan. Conversly Under Bush things went quite nice with a Replubican controlled congress. This was to such an extent that Bush was re-elected, yes , he was. Under his second term the congress is now a very liberal Democrat congress and we see the results beginning to unfold. Do I agree with everyhting any one person does, President or not, hardly, but in big gov there are many factors playing into everyhting, look at the big picture, not simply online journals and blatantly biased sources (BBC is a notorious lib agenda faction). Lest we look again at the polls, not that I really like polls too much, just an indication. Bush has crappy numbers... compared to congress, Bush's # are super!
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Post by oblivionn on Nov 4, 2007 20:12:09 GMT -5
Criticizing my sources again, I see.
Why do you even tell me to do research if you just ignore it and say my sources don't have any credit?
BTW, a lot more than terrorism was in those articles.
The Lib-Emo, Con-Log thing... now that I've thought about it, I suppose it is generally true. Not for everybody, but for lots of people, yes. It is the opposite of what TGS has been saying.
However, I'm not so sure this is a good thing. Just look at George Bush.
I don't know if housing would be a basic neccesity. I'd have to think about that.
I think a bigger priority than that would be decreasing our debt.
Do you remember that article about Sweden I showed you? Universal healthcare is possible without having insanely high taxes.
You call BBC a notorious lib agenda faction. Yet I think you just used them in a point about coal. You appear not to trust them... yet you get your info from them?
The thing about Bill Clinton, idk what you're talking about, I assume it's to Levi. I'll stay out of it I guess.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 4, 2007 21:13:04 GMT -5
Criticizing my sources again, I see.
(putting up a link and saying see, is lame. Say i'm oblivion and i am against NP beacuse...)
Why do you even tell me to do research if you just ignore it and say my sources don't have any credit?
(make ur point here and site the sorce.)
BTW, a lot more than terrorism was in those articles.
(i bet)
The Lib-Emo, Con-Log thing... now that I've thought about it, I suppose it is generally true. Not for everybody, but for lots of people, yes. It is the opposite of what TGS has been saying.
(The opposite? how so?)
However, I'm not so sure this is a good thing. Just look at George Bush.
(i don't get it)
I don't know if housing would be a basic neccesity. I'd have to think about that.
(how is housing not a basic neccesity?)
I think a bigger priority than that would be decreasing our debt.
(the debt is a far bigger priority then some bloated national healthcare program)
Do you remember that article about Sweden I showed you? Universal healthcare is possible without having insanely high taxes.
(Its a bunch of crap. why don't people flock to sweden for healthcare)
You call BBC a notorious lib agenda faction. Yet I think you just used them in a point about coal. You appear not to trust them... yet you get your info from them?
(the BBC is a liberal agenda drivin agency. but they can't just come out and say that. So they say things to throw conservitives a bone now n then)
The thing about Bill Clinton, idk what you're talking about, I assume it's to Levi. I'll stay out of it I guess.
(good thinkin)
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Post by DustyDragoon on Nov 5, 2007 9:08:29 GMT -5
"Communism doesn't work because of capitalism?" Well, I hadn't thought of this until now, but yes. I guess so. DD's story illustrates that perfectly. Actually neither Capitalism or Communism work because of one human condition which sadly I feel we shall never rid ourselves of and that is greed. It is (or seems to be to me) a human defect which we shall never rid ourselves of. All parts of our lives are driven by it, our jobs, our religions, our politics and even our day to day lives. We are told on a daily basis by the media that we want and need more. Don't get me wrong as I don't feel myself in anyway not to be a part of it, however I do know it exists and if we all take a good look in the mirror we all know we all contribute to it in one form or another. So the bigger question is what do we do to rid ourselves of this illness. How do we become perfect and have no greed. Just in pointing this out am I not being greedy in some form because I would like to see a better life for me. Also can we really blame the politicians or any political system for our shortfalls? I mean we are the ones that put them in the position they are in are we not? If you really disagree with what they are doing and feel that strongly about it, why were you not on the front line to ensure they did not get the power they received?
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 5, 2007 11:54:17 GMT -5
Communism doesn't work because of capitalism?"
Well, I hadn't thought of this until now, but yes. I guess so. DD's story illustrates that perfectly.
(so capitalism must be stoped)
Actually neither Capitalism or Communism work because of one human condition which sadly
(capitalism seems to work pretty good)
I feel we shall never rid ourselves of and that is greed.
(we need to accept this as part of our nature and compinsate for it)
It is (or seems to be to me) a human defect which we shall never rid ourselves of.
(greed is old school, hell, I got a cat thats greedy)
All parts of our lives are driven by it, our jobs, our religions, our politics and even our day to day lives.
(yup)
We are told on a daily basis by the media that we want and need more.
(lol, thats older then greed. its called drive or somethin)
Don't get me wrong as I don't feel myself in anyway not to be a part of it, however I do know it exists and if we all take a good look in the mirror we all know we all contribute to it in one form or another.
(word brotha)
So the bigger question is what do we do to rid ourselves of this illness.
(maybe its not an illness. its our nature to grow and expand. just like every other living thing in the universe)
How do we become perfect and have no greed.
(duh, if we got rid of greed we'll just end up with something else and a hole new set of probs. for every action there is an = and oppisite reaction)
Just in pointing this out am I not being greedy in some form because I would like to see a better life for me.
(yup) Also can we really blame the politicians or any political system for our shortfalls?
(we have too in order to improve. they are leading us)
I mean we are the ones that put them in the position they are in are we not?
(don't ask levi bout that)
If you really disagree with what they are doing and feel that strongly about it, why were you not on the front line to ensure they did not get the power they received?
(DD, its 2007. this is the front. grab a helmet and hang in there)
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Post by whiplash on Nov 5, 2007 13:23:35 GMT -5
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Post by oblivionn on Nov 5, 2007 23:59:07 GMT -5
"Communism doesn't work because of capitalism?" Well, I hadn't thought of this until now, but yes. I guess so. DD's story illustrates that perfectly. Actually neither Capitalism or Communism work because of one human condition which sadly I feel we shall never rid ourselves of and that is greed. It is (or seems to be to me) a human defect which we shall never rid ourselves of. All parts of our lives are driven by it, our jobs, our religions, our politics and even our day to day lives. We are told on a daily basis by the media that we want and need more. Don't get me wrong as I don't feel myself in anyway not to be a part of it, however I do know it exists and if we all take a good look in the mirror we all know we all contribute to it in one form or another. So the bigger question is what do we do to rid ourselves of this illness. How do we become perfect and have no greed. Just in pointing this out am I not being greedy in some form because I would like to see a better life for me. Also can we really blame the politicians or any political system for our shortfalls? I mean we are the ones that put them in the position they are in are we not? If you really disagree with what they are doing and feel that strongly about it, why were you not on the front line to ensure they did not get the power they received? Well I was referring to capitalism in the sense that it is based on greed. So same thing basically. But the politicians IMO should be blamed for lots of stuff that's going on. Sure, we voted them into office, but I don't think their actions neccesarily represent the opinion of their country. They have been responsible for many deaths. They may not be doing it themselves, but this is perhaps worse, because many people are getting killed at once. I doubt we will ever solve our problems with greed completely. People like me will always exist, but then again people like TGS will as well.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 6, 2007 12:58:12 GMT -5
Well I was referring to capitalism in the sense that it is based on greed. So same thing basically.
(lol, stupid greed. don't make the goverment compinsate for humans, make humans compinsate for the government)
But the politicians IMO should be blamed for lots of stuff that's going on.
(true)
Sure, we voted them into office, but I don't think their actions neccesarily represent the opinion of their country.
(people like u voted them into office. u see congress aproval ratings? there getting SMACKED down worse then the libs here)
They have been responsible for many deaths. They may not be doing it themselves, but this is perhaps worse, because many people are getting killed at once.
(democrats doing everything they can to cause an american defeat in Iraq for there own political gain. gotta love that)
I doubt we will ever solve our problems with greed completely.
(lol, ur such a brainwashed lib. u owe everything, i mean everything, down to the advanced struture of ur DNA, to a force called greed.)
People like me will always exist, but then again people like TGS will as well.
(this isn't true. People like me are increasing in numbers while people like u are fading away. this is because liberals have less childern and less stable family enviroments)
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Post by capitalistpig on Dec 9, 2007 14:23:37 GMT -5
Funny how the decline in American healthcare coincides perfectly with the rise of liberalism. haha Of course the government imposing more and more socialism on hospitals cannot possibly be related. It is amazing how liberals can stare their own failure in the face and then tell you that you are the reason it isnt working. If only people were more like ants...... they wouldnt mind walking everywhere, or working endlessly without reward. Yeah.... If people were more like ants, than socialism would cause every nation where it is implemented to slowly weaken, and eventually collapse.
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Post by zzZhenon on Dec 10, 2007 1:13:00 GMT -5
Funny how the decline in American healthcare coincides perfectly with the rise of liberalism. haha Of course the government imposing more and more socialism on hospitals cannot possibly be related. It is amazing how liberals can stare their own failure in the face and then tell you that you are the reason it isnt working. If only people were more like ants...... they wouldnt mind walking everywhere, or working endlessly without reward. Yeah.... If people were more like ants, than socialism would cause every nation where it is implemented to slowly weaken, and eventually collapse. What rise of liberalism? In the past couple years? The past 50 years? This post is full of emotion, you sure you're not a liberal?
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