Juni
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Post by Juni on Apr 2, 2007 12:31:50 GMT -5
I want to make everyone know something that happened at the beginning of 3v3 ren event. 7 minutes after the time at which the event was supposed to begin, PAF clan only had 2 players registered.
Nolan, TD of this event, announced on the lobby that registration was closed and that the tournament would begin soon, One of our players (Sinople or cemi59, I don't know which one) talked to Noaln and told him that Sirhill was arriving soon and asked for a short delay (a few minutes). Nolan refused and started the event.
We are not complaining about that. We understand that making everybody wait because of one team is unfair, we have no problem with Nolan's decision.
The confusing point is that for major clans, TDs are ready to wait sometimes up to 30 minutes, even more !! Of course, playing an event without GOD, RaY, or any other big clan because of a late player has big consequences on the whole CCC. But if we can be patient for these clans, we think that we could be patient for all.
What are rules worth if they are not the same for all ? So admins, TDs, you have to choose whether being comprehensive or strict, but please try to apply the same rules to all clans.
Thank you
EDIT : it was on modern event, not ren, sorry, my listake ;D
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axius
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Post by axius on Apr 2, 2007 15:43:52 GMT -5
In the very same event (Modern, TD Nolan) our team (RUS) had to sit in the staging room and wait for exactly 1 hr because our opponents (OS) were nowhere to be found, but apparently one of them contacted Nolan and asked for a 1hr delay and was granted it. All inquiries to Nolan as to why was OS receiving this preferential treatment at our expense were met with partonizing replies like, 'Relax. Take a walk. What's the rush?' In fact, Nolan never told us why. Either the rules are the same for everybody or at least there should be some explanations given.
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Post by whitebull on Apr 2, 2007 15:55:40 GMT -5
In the very same event (Modern, TD Nolan) our team (RUS) had to sit in the staging room and wait for exactly 1 hr because our opponents (OS) were nowhere to be found, but apparently one of them contacted Nolan and asked for a 1hr delay and was granted it. All inquiries to Nolan as to why was OS receiving this preferential treatment at our expense were met with partonizing replies like, 'Relax. Take a walk. What's the rush?' In fact, Nolan never told us why. Either the rules are the same for everybody or at least there should be some explanations given. 1st I guess OS were registred in time (to stay in the topic) 2nd Players thought that were no hurry cause they meeting Mr "bye" 3rd As we don't found back the last player, I said to Nolan we concede the game few before the 20 minutes he gave us (after a very long wait to u, I already said to oe4t how we were sorry, and I repeat here : We are very sorry for that), and we reported it. 4th U won 2 points on this game, what's the matter ? ;D
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Post by Canucksoldier on Apr 2, 2007 16:01:15 GMT -5
The direction for the next CCC will be clear and not up for debate. TD's will not have the discretion to extend the start time more than 10-15min max. This will apply to all clans regardless, and will be fairly applied to all situations. Unless God strikes GS dead again this will not be altered.
CS
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Post by holocanthe on Apr 2, 2007 16:08:38 GMT -5
And in case, when all players are registering, but not on the lobby (play an another event..............for example ;D ).
Which is the rule ?
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Post by cankaban on Apr 2, 2007 16:08:50 GMT -5
as i know,td s asking to clans if they are able to fill their teams or not and if they say yes they wait for them.bad decision comes from a nice td..
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Post by Canucksoldier on Apr 2, 2007 16:22:45 GMT -5
And in case, when all players are registering, but not on the lobby (play an another event..............for example ;D ). Which is the rule ? Registered or not they have to be in the lobby, if a clan can't fill a game with in 15min, the TD will disqualify them and edit the tournament and award the win to the other clan. If they are not even registered they get dropped when the tournament starts. CS
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Post by whitebull on Apr 2, 2007 16:36:38 GMT -5
And in case, when all players are registering, but not on the lobby (play an another event..............for example ;D ). Which is the rule ? Registered or not they have to be in the lobby, if a clan can't fill a game with in 15min, the TD will disqualify them and edit the tournament and award the win to the other clan. If they are not even registered they get dropped when the tournament starts. CS U talk about first round or for all of them ?
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axius
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Post by axius on Apr 2, 2007 16:37:17 GMT -5
1st I guess OS were registred in time (to stay in the topic) 2nd Players thought that were no hurry cause they meeting Mr "bye" 3rd As we don't found back the last player, I said to Nolan we concede the game few before the 20 minutes he gave us (after a very long wait to u, I already said to oe4t how we were sorry, and I repeat here : We are very sorry for that), and we reported it. 4th U won 2 points on this game, what's the matter ? ;D 1. Registering in time doesn't grant you a right to delay your game by 1 hr. 2. The event had 10 teams, so naturally 6 of them received byes in the first round. The moment the grid was posted OS and RUS both knew that they are to play each other in the 2nd round. If you enter the event you must be prepared to play immediately, regardless of byes. 3. You finally conceded about 5 min before the deadline, which cut our time in the staging room from 60 to 55 min. Very gracious of you, but you should have forfeited it 45 min earlier and we could be actually relaxing. 4. I don't care for free points at all. Our team came to play Warlords, not sit in the staging room while the TD bends rules in favor of another team.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Apr 2, 2007 16:44:52 GMT -5
This also applies to all matches in an event after it has started. i.e. you may have two wait for the other match too finish, but once it has finished both teams have 15min to get there team ready and playing the match, any team that fails to find a full roster of players in the 15min forfeits that match and the other team moves on. Sorry if this seems a bit draconian but if we don;t do this the CCC will become unmanageable.
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Post by whitebull on Apr 2, 2007 16:45:01 GMT -5
1. Registering in time doesn't grant you a right to delay your game by 1 hr. 2. The event had 10 teams, so naturally 6 of them received byes in the first round. The moment the grid was posted OS and RUS both knew that they are to play each other in the 2nd round. If you enter the event you must be prepared to play immediately, regardless of byes. 3. You finally conceded about 5 min before the deadline, which cut our time in the staging room from 60 to 55 min. Very gracious of you, but you should have forfeited it 45 min earlier and we could be actually relaxing. 4. I don't care for free points at all. Our team came to play Warlords, not sit in the staging room while the TD bends rules in favor of another team. 1. Sure 2. They didn't see, I guess that context will not permit u to trust me. 3. I hope that didn't stress u too much ... I was playing an event (ancient) while speaking with ur team mate and Nolan on C4F, and looking for players back. But I believe i kept quite relax 4. Ur team mate ask for those free points after 10 minutes ...
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Post by Canucksoldier on Apr 2, 2007 16:48:10 GMT -5
Registered or not they have to be in the lobby, if a clan can't fill a game with in 15min, the TD will disqualify them and edit the tournament and award the win to the other clan. If they are not even registered they get dropped when the tournament starts. CS U talk about first round or for all of them ? See Above CS
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Post by MookieNJ on Apr 2, 2007 19:54:13 GMT -5
My take on this issue would be to make sure the TDs set up all of the CCC events on the Thursday prior to the CCC. That way teams can begin registering with Case's software well in advance of the start of the actual events. As long as the teams are full, the TDs can then start the tournament and get the brackets posted. If at that point you have a temporary problem filling your team, most clans are willing to give you 15-20 minutes to straighten things out. Nobody likes waiting around, but most people realize that what goes around comes around. For example, during one CCC we were scheduled to play MDR in the Renaissance event. I guess the matches progressed a little bit faster than expected and one of their players, Matth I believe, had stepped out to go to the store. We sat around and waited an hour for him to get back while joking around in the staging room with their other two players. While it sucked to sit around when we really wanted to play, we made some good friends that day and knew that if we ever ran into the same problem MDR would most likely give us some time if we needed it. Sure enough, during the Renaissance COT one of our players had to leave midway through the tournament and we had to get a sub. Speaker agreed to jump in after he returned from the supermarket, and MDR waited with us for about 30 minutes for Speaker to get online. As long as you get a team registered with any players you have available, most clans are looking for fair and competitive matches and will give you some time to get your team together .
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Post by DrShot on Apr 2, 2007 21:07:43 GMT -5
I guess the matches progressed a little bit faster than expected and one of their players, Matth I believe, had stepped out to go to the store. Speaker agreed to jump in after he returned from the supermarket, Mookie at it again, always one upping everyone. While the other team goes to a lowly 'store' his team goes to the ' supermarket'.
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Post by cryptococcus on Apr 3, 2007 2:44:41 GMT -5
I guess the matches progressed a little bit faster than expected and one of their players, Matth I believe, had stepped out to go to the store. Speaker agreed to jump in after he returned from the supermarket, Mookie at it again, always one upping everyone. While the other team goes to a lowly 'store' his team goes to the ' supermarket'. ROFL
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Post by knupp on Apr 3, 2007 14:50:49 GMT -5
Juni I absolutely agree with you. Unfortunately there are too many clans out there that would rather b*itch and complain to get easy points instead of actaully playing the god damn game and earning points. For example, I'm playing the Future event. I'm only seconds from killing the 2nd player on the LKT team to finish up the game once and for all. What is going on? Longhorn is bitching up a storm in the lobby because me and Mookie, who were playing the future event, were 15 minutes (at most) late to the industrial event. We thought we had an hour because earlier in the CCC the HTD had given KC and HOUR to show up for the 1v1. However we were mistaken apparently. Longhorn was threatening to invoke the 10 minute rule.
It seems that most of this ladder has completely forgotten the concept of good-sportmanship. In any CCC event I play in I will gladly give the opposing team extra time to show up. RL comes before this game and I think everybody in RaY agrees to this, especially since one of our members had to rush to the hospital for RL issues with his family.
What was Mud's excuse for bitching about me and Mookie being 15 minutes late? They were tired. Well I'm sorry, I had to play future, industrial, modern, ancient, and OCC ren. Did anybody think that I was tired? No, because I wasn't bitching about it. Don't play CCC if you can't deal with it. Some ppl need to realize this is just a game and being a little late for filling an event is not a huge problem. Maybe if there was one little spec of sportmanship left on this ladder this issue wouldn't be a problem. *Shrug*
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Post by deviousdevil on Apr 3, 2007 21:46:59 GMT -5
Are you tired Knupp?
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Post by tommynt on Apr 4, 2007 7:14:29 GMT -5
U should not register for 2 events which can overlapp, easy as that - good sportmans dont let their mates wait
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Post by MMV on Apr 4, 2007 12:10:42 GMT -5
football - OFFSIDE'S PENALTY - oh wait, he was in a hurry; let's be "sportsman" and ignore it
basketball - PERSONAL FOUL - oh wait, he didn't really mean it; let's be "sportsman" and ignore it
tennis - DOUBLE FAULT - well it SHOULD have gone over, so we'll give him a third serve out of "sportsman-ship"
baseball - LONG LEFT FIELD... FOUL - oh that was close - let's give it to him for sportsmanship.
anyone who uses the excuse of "sportsmanship" for not following the rules isn't a sportsman.
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Post by MookieNJ on Apr 4, 2007 12:51:36 GMT -5
Sorry, but whatever you want to call it, if Juni asks me for 10 extra minutes while he tries to find his missing player or a sub, I'm going to give it to him.
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