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Post by weaksauce on May 3, 2006 5:49:45 GMT -5
Since only one version has been released, I wouldn't think that's neccessary. I can't imagine why the mod might be choking some people with OOS, except possibly across multiple language versions of CIV? If you've all downloaded the same file (which you must have) and all installed it correctly, and all have it loaded, that's all that is required. I tested this mod with 8 people at once and never ran into this problem. ::Frown:: If anyone has any input on what's going on, I'd appreciate it. I also deleted Weaksauce's comment - if you had been that disrespectful and outright rude to anyone else in a released mod thread, Weak, I'd have given you a week off. you can dislike what I have to say. but i didn't make any derogatory comments about any players or people here, and I got a right to voice my opinion for aspects of the game, mods, etc. i stand by my previous statement that UU-madness for all civs is a bad idea. if your ego can't handle that, then go ahead and ban me from the forums.
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Post by Elledge on May 3, 2006 6:46:45 GMT -5
I got a right to voice my opinion for aspects of the game, mods, etc. i stand by my previous statement that UU-madness for all civs is a bad idea. Then don't play it? This thread is full of people who asked for, created, and enjoy the mod. They aren't going to change their mind because you tell them it sucks.
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Post by tommynt on May 3, 2006 10:16:40 GMT -5
Friderich .. thats what happend oos every time we tried and 1 player got this runtimeerror problem. There wasnt a language problem or so - and for sure we had all the mod loaded otherwise guys d have not been able to join game .. the thing is after all this hell neither I nor any of the 12 other palyers trying to start game ll try again .. 3 hours of hell is enough
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Post by Lestat on May 3, 2006 11:59:20 GMT -5
Maybe mod dont work with pirated verison of game
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Post by ..A..kazache on May 3, 2006 23:51:47 GMT -5
Hi guys, i tried this night the mod and had lots of problems with it.
We were at the beginning 3 players and started the game in the gayspy lobby with additional 3 AI. As we launched one dropped, then he rejoined and in the same moment the other player dropped. It happened then 3 times in a row.
One player left. I and Turkas tried it now with direct ip and hamachi. We always get oos, sometimes right from the start. Few times after 6-10 turns later in game.
Later i tried it with loki and an earth map. There i get an error message (have the screen shot, it says i haven´t loaded the mod, but i did it) and was not able to enter the game.
I have enable the log files, but there are so many, don´t know which one you exactly needed.
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Post by whiplash on May 4, 2006 6:45:22 GMT -5
Well either Fried built in a bug (unlikely) or Firaxis screwed up the mod feature (more likely). I guess a third possibility is that someone in those games was misconfigured.
Has anybody successfully run any mod in MP?
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on May 4, 2006 6:51:18 GMT -5
Since only one version has been released, I wouldn't think that's neccessary. I can't imagine why the mod might be choking some people with OOS, except possibly across multiple language versions of CIV? If you've all downloaded the same file (which you must have) and all installed it correctly, and all have it loaded, that's all that is required. I tested this mod with 8 people at once and never ran into this problem. ::Frown:: If anyone has any input on what's going on, I'd appreciate it. I also deleted Weaksauce's comment - if you had been that disrespectful and outright rude to anyone else in a released mod thread, Weak, I'd have given you a week off. you can dislike what I have to say. but i didn't make any derogatory comments about any players or people here, and I got a right to voice my opinion for aspects of the game, mods, etc. i stand by my previous statement that UU-madness for all civs is a bad idea. if your ego can't handle that, then go ahead and ban me from the forums. /adminhat off /modhat on You took a mod you'd never played, had no experience with, and absolutely no knowledge of rather than a read me, and ranted on it. You didn't say it was a bad idea. You said it was a stupid idea, and alluded to a lack of intelligence even in its creation. No one brought you to the mods thread and said "read this." No one said you had to play it. You just read about it and decided to pee on someone else's parade, just like you do everywhere else on this forum, troll. Well ya know what? This thread is about people who want to experience a mod and want to improve on its performance. Your comment clearly indicated you hadn't experienced it, and you obviously don't want to improve it. So take your troll comments back to the rest of the forum, where, while they may still be vastly inappropriate, they can at least be defended, since you've played the game in question. Since you haven't played the one in this mod, pull the stick out of your arse and move on. /modhat off /adminhat on Part of being respectful in any part of this forum is showing respect to people who put forth effort. If we want more mods in MP, it is far better to encourage mod-makers than slam them. Even if you don't like a mod, make suggestions for one you do like, or how you might improve on it, rather than try to dampen a mod maker's spirits. MP Mod makers are pretty hard to come by - let's encourage any new ones who happen to come along, read about these, and say, "Hey, I bet I could do this!" Your old comments would not have done so. Perhaps, once again, this is why our community is suffering? People like YOU, making comments like THAT. I stand by the deletion. If you have a problem with it, please contact the Head Administrator and request his judgement on the matter.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on May 4, 2006 6:53:30 GMT -5
Well either Fried built in a bug (unlikely) or Firaxis screwed up the mod feature (more likely). I guess a third possibility is that someone in those games was misconfigured. Has anybody successfully run any mod in MP? I will be recompiling the mod this weekend. It may be that something was changed between version 1.60, where it was created, and release 1.61, that was unannounced and therefore screwed up the mod. If that's true, the blame is absolutely mine and I apologize. I'll have it fixed in a wee bit.
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Post by MMV on May 4, 2006 9:28:18 GMT -5
Ladder members who use statements and words like "troll, take the stick out of your arse, and peeing on someone's parade" are exactly why you delete and administer other people's posts. Ladder Admins who use statements and words like this are in fact MORE guilty of inappropriate commentary than the Ladder's members.
Since you phrased it so eloquently, I'll use your words to paraphrase a response (since they seem to be acceptable to you).
Well ya know what? This LADDER FORUM is about people who want to experience MULTIPLAYER GAMES IN A COMMUNITY WITH LIKE-MINDED PEOPLE and want to improve on THEIR GAMING EXPERIENCE and performance. Your comment clearly indicated you ARE NO BETTER COMMUNICATING IN A DEFINITIVE AND POSITIVE MANNNER THAN THOSE YOU ADDRESS. WE'VE experienced it FROM YOU OVER AND OVER, and you obviously don't want to ACT AS YOU EXPECT OTHERS TO ACT. So take your COMMENTS back BECAUSE JUST LIKE the rest of the forum, where they may still be vastly inappropriate, AND CAN NEVER BE defended, since YOU'RE THE EXAMPLE WE SHOULD FOLLOW POSTING in the forums in question.
Part of being respectful in any part of this forum is showing respect to people who put forth effort TO MUTUALLY PARTICIPATE in it. If we want more LADDER MEMPERS in MP, it is far better to encourage LADDER MEMBERS than slam them. Even if you don't like a SOME OF THEIR INPUT (NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE), make suggestions for ones you do like, or how you might improve on it, rather than try to dampen THE LADDER MEMBER'S spirits.
LADDER MEMBERS WHO ACTUALLY POST AND TRY TO PARTICPATE HERE ON THEIR FORUM are pretty hard to come by - let's encourage any new ones who happen to come along, read WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY (NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE), and say, "Hey, I can be a better person than that," or, "I should try to post like that."
Your old comments would not have done so. Perhaps, once again, this is why our community is suffering? People like YOU, making comments like THAT.
YOU CAN stand by the deletion. If ANYONE HAS a problem with it, WE ALL KNOW WE CAN contact the Head Administrator and request his judgement on the matter - IT'S THE RULES.
Finally, as has been posted many times here on this forum and the other mod forums, people DO appreciate your efforts in trying to expressly accomodate their wishes for new mods. As ladder members, Civ4 paying customers, and book-buying customers, it would seem that you'd want to ENCOURAGE rather than enter into adversarial relationships with any of them.
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Post by whiplash on May 4, 2006 9:44:31 GMT -5
How does one respectfully call someone a jerk even though he is acting like a jerk?
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Post by whiplash on May 4, 2006 9:54:34 GMT -5
I have been part of the C3C ladder community for a very long time. That community is smaller than when it was at its prime; but it is still active and people are having fun playing MP with a very old game. A big part of the reason that it's still going is the efforts put in by modders who have created some variety for the players. I believe that community would be dead now if it were not for the efforts of people spending time and effort to make the game more enjoyable for others.
Someday CIV4 will be old too. If the same pattern holds the life of the community will be extended by Fried and others who ARE WORKING FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY.
To try to discourage and disparage these efforts is peeing on everybody's parade.
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Post by MMV on May 4, 2006 12:44:22 GMT -5
Finally, as has been posted many times here on this forum and the other mod forums, people DO appreciate your efforts in trying to expressly accomodate their wishes for new mods
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on May 4, 2006 21:51:33 GMT -5
Whip said it all just fine. I feel no need to perfect all the time, and when responding to a personal attack on my own work, I will respond in kind. I don't pull all such posts, only the truly excessive ones - usually those that stray into vulgarity.
If another admin wants to pull my post, they can certainly do so and I won't question it for a moment.
For the record: negative comments on anyone's work that are both uneducated, unobservant and unsolicited - such as Weaksauce's - are completely and totally useless to building up the quality of the community. If my comments prevent THOSE kind of posts from surfacing more often and THOSE kind of posters from making them, I'll sleep just fine at night. Weaksauce had no idea what he was talking about, having never even tried the mod, and decided to convince everyone else it was a terrible idea without even experiencing it.
Posters like that can skip town, and the community will be better for them.
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Post by MMV on May 4, 2006 23:19:08 GMT -5
Well, you're setting a standard here that is WELL within reach of anyone who comes here.
Your posts, name, and signature line reflect on your fellow admins, Civ4 Players, your expertise as an MP Consultant, Firaxis Games, and your fellow Co-Author of the Official Civ 4 Strategy Guide.
Administrator - administrate thyself
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Post by MMV on May 4, 2006 23:26:52 GMT -5
as a mod............ you created an MP scenario based on an unreleased patch, unavailable to the public and when they complain it doesn't work (because you run a different version than them), you "fried" them.
Of course, later, you realize why the mod didn't work, appologize, and promise to get it fixed as soon as you can, lol - BRAVO!
Seriously, thanks for your efforts.
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Post by Elledge on May 5, 2006 15:07:55 GMT -5
Well, you're setting a standard here that is WELL within reach of anyone who comes here. Your posts, name, and signature line reflect on your fellow admins, Civ4 Players, your expertise as an MP Consultant, Firaxis Games, and your fellow Co-Author of the Official Civ 4 Strategy Guide. Administrator - administrate thyself No they do not. He is speaking as a man defending his own personal work built of sweat and blood. He is not speaking as an admin, a MP consultant, an employee of Firaxis Games, or a co-author of a strategy guide, and his comments have nothing to do with his separate roles as those. When he signed with Firaxis, or became an admin of these forums, did he lose the ability to speak as a person? I didn't see the original, deleted comment, so maybe it was just fine, but I doubt it, because Fried seems pretty lax in a moderation sense. If his comment which remains, "i stand by my previous statement that UU-madness for all civs is a bad idea. if your ego can't handle that, then go ahead and ban me from the forums." represents it, then nuts, that's not complaining it doesn't work (which is already kinda non-constructive and annoying, but we're all guilty of it.) That's just whining like a little bitch and I think Fried is well within whatever administrative bounds are implicit here to wipe it.
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Post by tommynt on May 5, 2006 17:41:44 GMT -5
hm some people like making problems out of nothing - weaksauce said he dot like the idea of the mod - nothing that bad - fried replied that that was the wrong place to say that - he s right there - so what
I think it s worse that 14 players tried 3 hours to play game with no chance - oh well we r used to that
amd fried saying that i really dont wana attack u as the mod maker what i reallay appriciate but the technical aspect of the game and maybe bad luck
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