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Post by cryptococcus on Nov 25, 2007 10:21:06 GMT -5
I don't think Earl ever claimed to be a Top player, he just says he's seen too much rude behaviour among ladder members and you just prove he's right. And admins and TDs do the hard work... what are the valuable actions you did to the community, metallian ? Bashing noobs ? Playing Elite games with your elite friends ? We sometimes take this too seriously and a "noob" won't improve if everyone just shout at new players. And a noob has the right to play teamers too whatever you think... I think you don't play with new players anymore so no need to be angry at them... btw are you still playing ? If you want to bash me in return, no need, I'm not a top player, will never be even though I've played much, but I'll try and kick some elite ass whenever I can ;D A new ladder system will soon appear thanks to some active players and I hope it will be the begining of a new era for the international ladder. Eiffel was always a thingy to me when I was a bigger noob, I withdrew one day because of him and [prison]workboat! Hmmm, I should of wrote a goodbye thread. Nah, no one realy cares about NOOBS quitting! Hint, wink.
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Post by Lestat on Nov 25, 2007 10:54:41 GMT -5
how rude woumans can be
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Post by eiffel on Nov 25, 2007 11:13:56 GMT -5
Eiffel was always a thingy to me when I was a bigger noob, I withdrew one day because of him and [prison]workboat! Hmmm, I should of wrote a goodbye thread. Nah, no one realy cares about NOOBS quitting! Hint, wink. I can't remember every noobococcus i've bashed ;D I still don't remember making you widthdraw but i'm not saying it isn't true. Well I used to be quite nervous some months ago from time to time, but nothing that can be compared to the behavior of some well-known elite players... that's why I took some time off, not taking competition that seriously. And I would completely agree with Earl that we're not nice with new players.
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Post by cryptococcus on Nov 25, 2007 11:32:37 GMT -5
This is like 2 years ago when you were good
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Post by eiffel on Nov 25, 2007 12:15:17 GMT -5
I've never been good and don't pause our game to answer on the forum ;D
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 25, 2007 15:13:03 GMT -5
There was a time when ladder members were quite generally a nice bunch of people who would play a game with anyone and most lobby flaming was all in good humour. yes maybe in a perfect world, all new players would be welcome in ladder teamers, and dieing to starting units like longbows, wouldn't result in aggressive abuse, far from it, it would result in a kiss and a cuddle, with a geniune "it's alright mate, dont worry, i enjoy wasting my time". i remember back in early vanilla where i couldn't get into ANY ladder teamers, you'd play well in a few ctons and a couple of players in the host room would recommend you, i had to earn my respect as a new player, and took my fair share of abuse. Sooner or later i become one of the top players, and even though some people would give out the password to my games i would still kick them, following abuse about "elite teamers". this was the way i was 'brought up' and i expect them to follow suit. The comment about being a tournament director.. well this isnt aimed directly at you but, you can't have random newbs promote tournaments, if you have the most respected/top players lead the way, everyone else will follow, not so long ago there was talk of some kind of tournament ray wanted to set up, this would of worked because everyone know ray and repsect there skill. I would say bye but i dont recall ever playing with you. ps. thegreatsatan/thejesus, why are you so mad at tommy, sure hes contradicted himself, but everyones been a 'piece of nuts' to you, you sucked in vannilla, you sucked in warlords, now you suck at beyond the sword, was'nt it atomation who made you quit because he told you just how much of a newb you actually are? 1st, Tommy has always been a POS. Yup, I've quit before. I did it because nobody would let me play. Even players that didnt know me where told not to let me play. If you quit, nobody would give a dam. If you made a "I quit thread" it would be full of comments like, "good, stay the fuk away" type comments. Why don't you crawl back into the hole u came out of. You do nothing but bi(ch about a league you play in for free. You and your little group of friends have had nothing but a negitive effect on this entire community.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 25, 2007 15:21:22 GMT -5
Noobs will always be noobs, thanks my saying and I will stick to it. Earl you have always sucked at civ and honestly if you haven't got any better after 2 years of playing the game you may want to take an IQ test because the game isn't that hard. If some players say your a noob you are a noob. Please take the time learn the basics. After every loss I generally look at things I could have differently to avoid the loss. You act as if the Civ3 ladder was healthy?? Are you kidding me dude, Civ 3 MP was a complete joke dude and the players who were playing are terrible gamers, yes terrible gamers. Why this ladder continues to associate itself with civ3 is beyond me. Most ppl have moved on, yet we have admins and tourney directors that haven't. Also, Earl you act as if your a valuable member of the civ4 community, lol? Would the ladder be better off if I left?, Mookie?, Geforced, MLL, aahhhh no ? Seriously no one cares about these threads? It is a pathetic reach for help for the infinite amount of noobness you have shown in your time on the ladder, I think it is. Anyways, the civ4 ladder isn't growing because of the terrible leadership that has taken over after SPM handed his it to CS. I see no growth, I see no vision for Civilization MP, yet we hand our power over to people like CS and DTA who don't know a god damn thing about running a ladder. For godsakes you made levi a damn tourney admin are you kidding me? ? If your so great, you make a league. Like you said, where the "top" players lead, the rest will fallow. Well I'm saying go... lead us oh wise met. Quit bit(ching about the admins and TDs. They work hard for all of us for free. Not everyone on here takes every game they play 110% seriously. Go back to your hole with your little group and continue telling yourselfs how great you are. You think SPM shoulda made speaker head admin? Like that woulda been better? This is a "free" league run by volinteers. You act like a homeless guy who got a free meal then turns aound and says it ain't good enough. Well, tuff nuts.
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Post by geforced on Nov 25, 2007 15:39:15 GMT -5
You and your little group of friends have had nothing but a negitive effect on this entire community. Is that a fact.
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Post by cryptococcus on Nov 25, 2007 17:05:26 GMT -5
I've never been good and don't pause our game to answer on the forum ;D Nah, I paused game to write Earl a get well soon card, as I'm so sad to see him uhappy. I wanted to cheer him up
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Post by DrShot on Nov 25, 2007 17:17:15 GMT -5
This is better than the 'Jokes" thread. Zhenov: WTF, I think your the only one that does/did not know The Jesus = TGS (I like The irony in names). Met: I could not agree more with what you say about Levi as Head TD - hardly impartial (political differences aside). Gef: To some extent, likely it is a fact. Impossible to tell to what depth. LeSpam: Thanks for dropping by, theres the door. Eiffel: Your comments about criticism are money on. Many a time I recall getting only worked for not having done the (in their opinion) right thing(s). not once(really, not once) told in advance what to do. Now, in the hopes of not wasting 'our' time would it not be wise to take that moment b4 and tell someone something (i dint expect it to be laid out in a nice way, incapable for some seemingly) before the bad end result(s) occur. Then spewing garbage all over the place. Talking about IQ and community: I know when I play I want the best gaming experience possible. I want to surround myself with the best and most enjoyable to be around, a little camaraderie is always nice. What boggles me is why do the so called top players not, even occasionally, take a moment or two to improve the community on the whole. I am talking about the skill levels of players here within. Write a thread/comment about a strat or a technique that will offer some increased competition. If shooting fish in a barrel is your game then do nothing else. Pat yourself on the back for being so 'good' at it whiles your refilling the barrel too. I know when I go skiing, sadly,a bit of a rarity these days, I seek the best of the best to accompany me. This not only forces me to improve 'my game' ( not that any of you would be on my short list there - on the slopes-but I would welcome you and try to assist) but also improves the overall experience of that day on the mountain. Put your money where your mouth is, you (whoever) think your so great, take a moment to bring the game up a notch, you will only be helping yourself in the process. Remove the blinders , see what fun is out there.
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Post by AngelofLove on Nov 25, 2007 18:08:52 GMT -5
I've never been good and don't pause our game to answer on the forum ;D LMFAO but well said dr.shotand many otheres its not easy being a TD .and its nice to know that some people actully care about us TD
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Post by lporiginalg on Nov 25, 2007 18:39:14 GMT -5
Can I embed sound in this thread? I'm thinking maybe the shindler's list theme song.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 25, 2007 22:09:43 GMT -5
Noobs will always be noobs, thanks my saying and I will stick to it. Earl you have always sucked at civ and honestly if you haven't got any better after 2 years of playing the game you may want to take an IQ test because the game isn't that hard. If some players say your a noob you are a noob. Please take the time learn the basics. After every loss I generally look at things I could have differently to avoid the loss. You act as if the Civ3 ladder was healthy?? Are you kidding me dude, Civ 3 MP was a complete joke dude and the players who were playing are terrible gamers, yes terrible gamers. Why this ladder continues to associate itself with civ3 is beyond me. Most ppl have moved on, yet we have admins and tourney directors that haven't. Also, Earl you act as if your a valuable member of the civ4 community, lol? Would the ladder be better off if I left?, Mookie?, Geforced, MLL, aahhhh no ? Seriously no one cares about these threads? It is a pathetic reach for help for the infinite amount of noobness you have shown in your time on the ladder, I think it is. Anyways, the civ4 ladder isn't growing because of the terrible leadership that has taken over after SPM handed his it to CS. I see no growth, I see no vision for Civilization MP, yet we hand our power over to people like CS and DTA who don't know a god damn thing about running a ladder. For godsakes you made levi a damn tourney admin are you kidding me? ? Well Met, feel free to start your own league if you think you can do a better job. The leadership here is not the problem, the admin and TD's are doing our job. (and we even have the foresight to create better software when given the opportunity) The problem as Shot has stated, is players like you that instead of teaching and mentoring other players you berate them. You spend your time extolling how good you are and how much other people suck. I don't suppose you noticed the text on the main page about how this ladder is about being a fun and competitive place that doesn't place winning ahead of everything? The success or failure of this league is and has always been in the hands of it's players, you can promote growth by teaching the new players or you can destroy it by sitting around treating new players like crap to make yourself feel better, and then blame the admins and TD's for the failure of the ladder.....feel free, what ever makes sleep well at night. CS
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Post by chuckynorris on Nov 26, 2007 1:03:59 GMT -5
The main problem is that about 70% of new players think they are actually good, and refuse to listen to players that have at least some vague clue how to play (like me). When I first started I listened to everything anybody ever told me, even asked where to plant every city until they told me to shut up.
One new player entering a game who refuses to listen in a 5v5 game, his team will probably lose 80% of the time. It just ruins the game for more experienced players. I hate ignoring people when they ask for the pw, but I hate it even more when a new player ruins a game and dies to a warrior/archer /longbow.
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Post by 9iron9 on Nov 26, 2007 2:17:47 GMT -5
thanks
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Post by thegreatsatan on Nov 26, 2007 3:09:59 GMT -5
The main problem is that about 70% of new players think they are actually good, and refuse to listen to players that have at least some vague clue how to play (like me). When I first started I listened to everything anybody ever told me, even asked where to plant every city until they told me to shut up. One new player entering a game who refuses to listen in a 5v5 game, his team will probably lose 80% of the time. It just ruins the game for more experienced players. I hate ignoring people when they ask for the pw, but I hate it even more when a new player ruins a game and dies to a warrior/archer /longbow. ya, it does suck when a noob, or even a vet, dies in the begining. and yes, everyone that plays thinks they are good. This is more then just a game or a league, its a community. We all should be reaching out to new players and be more worried about the enviroment in which we play. There used to be a fun atmosphere around here. It seems these days everyone walks around like they got something to prove. Just play. Take the good with the bad. Its better then playing by yourself.
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Post by Magzi on Nov 26, 2007 7:42:20 GMT -5
Not that anyone cares.....But, unless you start letting the newer players play without abuse or name calling there won't be a ladder. I started playing civ 4 when it first came out (played civ 3 ladder before) and was excited and hopeful for the game. Abuse after abuse was hurled my way at every mistake I made. I gave up playing, found another more enjoyable game...mainly...because the people are nicer to each other ...bet lots of other civ 4 players do too. I doubt I'll come back now, same as all those others certain players hurled abuse and names at.
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Post by cryptococcus on Nov 26, 2007 8:19:30 GMT -5
Why do noobs have to come here and cry? Fact is you weasled your way into a game and ruined it for everyone. The people that you ruined game for should be the one's crying. I love these forums though. More noobs coming out of woodwork to defend fellow noobs. Why don't earl and all his defenders just play together? There are plenty of noobs on the ladder to play your own games. PM Gabrie1 in lobby he hosts noob teamers all the time
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Post by Lestat on Nov 26, 2007 8:29:30 GMT -5
Ok Woumans listen up and shut da juck up... I saw here many stupidity... First ladder softweare is not prob. Wot will be new ladder making better for comunity ? Only new ranking system. Gold membership on new ladder... guys are u joking me ?? How many of non adicted players will migrate from old to new ladder (5%)... I dont care how rank will be calculated As i saw u making temaers-clan ladder. Ci4 community is not only clan group place , which playing teamers. Second we post about elitist games before 2 years. Result is wot i kno before 2 years... so called elitist now playing with all ... what is good. Those woumans thinking that civ4 game is all about slave and kill in 30 turns !!!!!!!! This is not civ.... About Earl hes like to chat in loby and hes playing a little , he dont find woumans which will follow him on loby spam and he left ... Wot to say ... Good luck Earl. About TD'S , yes it is prob that not very expirienced players host tourney. They doin only job for admins for CCC, main TD's tagret is only hosting CCC not hosting others tourneys. COT rofl... fiew clans playing cots. Better is making 3v3 non clan tourneys etc... Also I dont know why CS listen only so called elitist playes and reply on their post. Are they only members of this community ? Wot they done for community to be better Thing better for future of civ4 and new ladder combo. About abusing i played all game type before 2-3 years. Then kids come along and making me unpleasant to play teamers. Now im playing only occ cton and refuse to play teamers. Magzi abusing is not aliby for quiting ladder. Play with old and mature poeple like me and ignore kids and woumans.
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Post by Bantams on Nov 26, 2007 8:30:12 GMT -5
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