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Post by CoitusMaximus on Aug 21, 2007 10:57:06 GMT -5
Hello everyone. "Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm a man of wealth and fame...", well not really. My name is CoitusMaximus. I have been playing this game since the early days of Civ2. About the last year of that I played most of my games at Deity. Now to the near present I have played Civ4, Warlords, Amra's mod, then the Visa team's mod, very good work by the way, kudos. I had my first mp experience fall 06, played hotseat untill late spring 07 then LAN. About 1st. wk of Aug I won my first game at prince. Soon after that I played my first online game and have been beaten badly since. I had come close to accusing a couple of guys of cheating. I just could not see how it is possible they had longbows, xbows, knights etc, while I had axes. I still don't see how it is possible. I would like to join a clan, join a ladder, play teams, and tournaments, etc. but do not want to be responsible for the demise of my team mates. So now for the big Q. How the hell do you do it? I know there is no simple answer. I have been reading the War Academy articles and some/a lot of it doesn't make since. How do you build workers and settlers for early expansion at the same time you build a bunch of units for an early war? How can you build nothing in your Sci/Com city but sci/com multipliers then nothing but units while at war if you have not built a forge or barracks there? How do you build a bank or university there in a timely fashion w/o a forge? Does not make since to me. I like to slave pop rush but the timing of whip cracking for one pop and is rare and very tedious. I consider myself a semi-micromanager as mm also gets very tedious and detracts from the fun of game play. I describe my style as city building perfectionist, But since mp have been force to become much more of a cave man. I am not much interested in playing for anything but conquest/domination as none of the other will work while losing all your cities to the warmongers amongst us. Most of my LAN/hotseat has been on Anc/Tiny/Pan/Temp/Low, Raging Barbs, Adv start. Mostly using Cyrus, DeGaulle, Lincoln, Elizibeth, and Nat.Am, Carhtaginians for the Nub. Cav to counter the Dog Soldiers, Holy Rome, the Landsknect is a very effective unit and maybe a few others. I like to get wow's and use the gp to rush more wow's. or lightbulb more techs. My main concern is sci/tech., then use that to build a superior military and take cities instead of build them. This is my first post, and do not know where this should be posted. I appreciate any assistance, and am looking forward to getting to know some of you better. CoitusMaximus.
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Post by kurdape on Aug 21, 2007 12:14:20 GMT -5
Usually it is suggested that you play in CTON's and OCC games as a ladder player. As your winning percentage goes up you will be invited to play MP games. Building big cities in MP is not usually done as games dont usually become a point race, but rather a kill fest.
GL Ape
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Post by CoitusMaximus on Aug 21, 2007 16:34:51 GMT -5
What is CTON? I have been looking but have found no explanation. Thanks Ape I will look into it.
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Post by nicoya1 on Aug 22, 2007 18:11:15 GMT -5
well since ur having trouble with the basic just play open teamers for awhile watch what every1 does. as u go along playing these games you'll jut naturally start doing things. also listen to what ppl say to u. there are many good players out there that are willing to teach but on the flip side there will be a s s holes out there who are keyboard bullies just ignore those ppl
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Post by xiaojuzi on Aug 23, 2007 0:08:55 GMT -5
forget all your civ experience now and start like a pure newbie.
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Post by [KC]Bopper on Aug 23, 2007 1:15:02 GMT -5
Howdy Coitus. CTON style games have settings with Always War, No Barbs, Random Civs and no private chat between players. This style of play is to avoid players teaming up against other players.
A semi-cton game allows you to pick your leader.
FFA = Free For All: game in which anything goes! You can private chat, trade, declare war or ally, whatever you want.
Other common terms include: OCC: One City Challenge UQC: Ultra Quick Civ
Good luck!
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Post by CoitusMaximus on Aug 23, 2007 22:47:00 GMT -5
Sounds interesting. i will have to try that soon.I have been told ladder play is also a good way to learn, will try that soon too. Thanks for the info.
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Post by CoitusMaximus on Aug 23, 2007 22:53:24 GMT -5
well since ur having trouble with the basic just play open teamers for awhile watch what every1 does. as u go along playing these games you'll jut naturally start doing things. also listen to what ppl say to u. there are many good players out there that are willing to teach but on the flip side there will be a s s holes out there who are keyboard bullies just ignore those ppl I recently played a team donut, that was very exiting and tense. I learned from that. They where saying " I need metal".. " gift me some Immortals"... slave this and slave that. I crack the whip in sp, but apparently not enough for either sp or mp. Thanks for the tips.
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Post by icecube on Sept 1, 2007 11:30:41 GMT -5
hi its very simple how we do it. in civ2 and civ 3 you build lots of mines on grassland and build lots of units. in civ 4 you have to build lots of cottages to get gold wich is turn into reasrch bakers . the more cottages the more science thats why financial civ can be ahead with reasrch. i think thats yuor main q. bye
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Post by icecube on Sept 1, 2007 11:39:49 GMT -5
Usually it is suggested that you play in CTON's and OCC games as a ladder player. As your winning percentage goes up you will be invited to play MP games. Building big cities in MP is not usually done as games dont usually become a point race, but rather a kill fest. GL Ape hi i wish 1 day i can be good player as you no really i admire your work how you do it ? freakinjg ape i never gonna play in any game with you. just cause you think you are so great that other low life ( low ranked ) players should not be in your teamers . some ppl reset their ranks or simple change their names and you think they are noobs cause of their rank. bye for ever ever
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Post by Necrominousss on Sept 1, 2007 21:26:58 GMT -5
Cottage??
You build all cottage, you be dead. And I get all the money from plunder. I use to like you guys as nieghbor. Then use that money to support my greater army. Cottage should only be used in very limited ways, unless of course you have great land, but then who can't play geat land.
This was before BtS though, not sure what changed. And maybe not a good idea to listen to me, I'm ranked 522.
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Post by marr on Sept 2, 2007 1:13:12 GMT -5
Sometimes when its getting on in the evening and I am particularly bored and have nothing better to do then tease the noobs, I will join a teamer FFA. I'll open my browser as I happen to have a descent CPU and can handle ALT TAB inbetween turns without affecting the game play to which I will go to Babel Fish which happens to be an awesome translation site. I will set the options to English, translation dutch and then start to ask all sorts of intriguing questions. "If we moved all the garbage in the world to one spot like Canada, will that make the world heavier? "Als wij al huisvuil in de wereld naar één vlek zoals Canada verplaatsten, zal dat de wereld zwaarder maken?" Sometimes I will repeat the question but make it in capitols. ALS WIJ AL HUISVUIL IN de WERELD NAAR een PLAATS ZOALS CANADA VERPLAATSTEN, zal de WERELD ZWAARDER WORDEN? I did this once in a ten vs ten FFA teamer and I saw, I swear 15 pings all over the map followed by a nutsload of question marks in chat and it was only turn 5 in the game. Once in while I play the typical noob prank and surround my teamates coastal Cap with three citys of my own. Realy works well if you have a spirtual civ. Of course tho you have to be asking all your ussual question in dutch: VERBLINDEN MENSEN VOELEN LIEFDE BIJ EERSTE PLAATS?? Ahh you know I love punking the FFA crowd and you know what I feel absolutley no guilt about it. All I want is that reaction, that one shining moment when you piss a bunch of people off so bad they are like WTF!!! Cause they have no idea what you are saying, what you are doing or talking about never mind how you got 3 citys or how you put your huge stack at the bottom of the map the farthest from anything, or take your first settler and drop it 1 tile with no defence from the enemys cap, I mean thats what makes it all worth it. I read a post today that I never thought I would read on these forums I have no words for this great work of art. This is like Micheangelo to my pedestrian attepmts at riling up a few players, Ape has done what no other player has hoped to do. He has gotten the noobiest of the noobs to not only have such strong feelings of revulsion and hatred towards him, but to have him actually come to the forums!! and post this detestation! You Ape are my hero, of all the reactions I could hope to have, this is the top of the charts. You can't beat this! GG
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Post by icecube on Sept 2, 2007 2:01:16 GMT -5
Cottage?? You build all cottage, you be dead. And I get all the money from plunder. I use to like you guys as nieghbor. Then use that money to support my greater army. Cottage should only be used in very limited ways, unless of course you have great land, but then who can't play geat land. This was before BtS though, not sure what changed. And maybe not a good idea to listen to me, I'm ranked 522. hi you are right nobody should build only cottages need some balance commerce production and growth. maybe if you get really good spot for commercial city wich gives good science then specialize that city just for science etc. evrything again depends on land how you get it thats why every new game is different every war is different new strategy evry time. why did i answer on this post from maximus is that nobody didnt give him direct answer why his science is so bad. bye
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Post by marr on Sept 2, 2007 2:11:05 GMT -5
If you change your strat one more time in the span of two posts, I am not sure if anyone will have an easy time actually believing you have an idea you know what you are talking about.
Admit mate, you have no clue and you are making it up as you go along. No one will hold it against you here, its easy to say, "I don't really have a strategy when I play, I just kinda hope good things happen to me"
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Post by kurdape on Sept 2, 2007 11:51:13 GMT -5
Hey Rapper, Did i boot you? And u cry about it. Who are you. I dont know an Icecube. I dont boot without an explanation. Sometimes I play games that are for just me and my buddies. Other times I just host the regular vanilla boring TBG anc ladder games. I dont boot, ever, unless it is a private game. You are the reason it is difficult to host games. Play a few Ctons, or OCC games. Pay your dues, like the rest of us. Nobody likes to play an advanced game with advanced players and loose because one player does not understand what a 3 city front is. Or that warriors dont beat axemen. Or that you dont wander axemen into your opponent's territory one by one. Or that you dont play newbs with Ulla or he will lag a scrap. Dont cheat the system. Pay your dues. You rank is a measure of your skill if nobody knows you. If you are 13-64 dont expect ladders to treat you with respect just because you demand it. If you suck, say that you do and ask for help, and do what you are asked to do. Not all ladders are rude, they are busy micro managing their civs. Thats how u win. They dont have time to say please and thankyou all the time. Just listen. Get a few kills and garner the respect of your peers. Wake the hell up. It is a team game. Usually it is suggested that you play in CTON's and OCC games as a ladder player. As your winning percentage goes up you will be invited to play MP games. Building big cities in MP is not usually done as games dont usually become a point race, but rather a kill fest. GL Ape hi i wish 1 day i can be good player as you no really i admire your work how you do it ? freakinjg ape i never gonna play in any game with you. just cause you think you are so great that other low life ( low ranked ) players should not be in your teamers . some ppl reset their ranks or simple change their names and you think they are noobs cause of their rank. bye for ever ever
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Post by silknfur on Sept 3, 2007 17:49:00 GMT -5
the apeman cometh
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