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Post by rupman on Aug 20, 2007 17:12:36 GMT -5
Played a ladder teamer with UllaHeinz, Cachola, TheGreatSatan, Abcman (my team), Chucky Norris, CorVe, Hofzeluches, Rbg and God|aka|War (other team).
I killed Chucky about 10 turns into the game with an archer. After that God|aka|War started to lag every turn and over the next 3 hours dropped 5 times. My team asked them to sub him after the 2nd drop and again after each drop thereafter. Their team refused. After one drop he was even gone for more than 10 minutes and as I said their team would not sub him. The only person who would sub was Chucky who had already died but stayed in the game and is of course not a valid sub. After 4.5 hours and a drop from him again and then an OOS, plus lag from God everyturn we were basically forced to scrap even though a couple people did not want to. As far as I'm concerned their team forced a scrap of a game they new they would lose by refusing to sub a player that was causing problems. This is about as unsportsmanlike as it gets and in my opinion warrants reports from their entire team if not more.
Chucky did report to me although was not very happy about it. I have already filed a non-report against Corve because I told him that I expected a report from him in the lobby afterwards and he refused to do so and stated he would file against me, lol. I also expect reports from the 3 others in the game for their conduct in this matter. The non report that I filled and will file if necessary are almost identical to this post.
In addition, apparently God cannot rejoin a game as himself and has to rejoin as winchester11. I mentioned to him that he should rejoin as himself but he said he can't. I then said he should fix his ladder name. I think this issu should also be resolved as it could cause several issues i.e. someone saying that we let an invalid ladder player into the game as a sub and it is therefore an invalid ladder game.
Plain and simple I'm sick of people looking for excuses to scrap a game. You don't like your team or your civs too bad. Deal with it. You don't bitch and moan and force scrap cause you didn't get exactly what you wanted. You can always leave in the staging room.
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Post by kurdape on Aug 20, 2007 18:16:41 GMT -5
Excellent post. You back up your facts. Most Single players that come to the multiplayer lobby leave quickly. We have a reputation as jerks in the MP community. I believe it is time to change that.
Ape
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Post by chuckynorris on Aug 20, 2007 19:53:59 GMT -5
The funny thing about this post is that there were 23 turns left in the game, and my team was going to win, our chances were maybe 80%. My whole team wanted to reload after the game crashed. The other team said they were tired of the game and didn't want to play anymore. Some of their team disappeared, and they all wanted to scrap. We agreed because game took so long, and it was laggy, although many on my team unhappy because we were going to win.
After their whole other team except for rupman left, he starts demanding that everybody report to him. I didn't really care and I reported so he would shut up and stop whining to me. Ask any of the 9 other players from that game if there should be any report to alls in that. Ridiculous
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Post by rupman on Aug 20, 2007 20:24:38 GMT -5
Ah abcman had to go and reported to all in the game without me even asking him to. You're team was down by several hundred points and even with your bomb you wouldn't have won. We were solidly out teching you and had a bomb of our own coming. Your only chance would have been to get a kill and Ulla had Cachola covered while I had Satan covered. We had spies all over your land and new where all your stacks were. So don't sit there and tell people you had an 80% chance to win. You had maybe half that at best. Plus Corve was down a city and we came with in 1 unit of killing him. Oh and if your team wanted to reload so bad then how come God and I were the only ones in the reload? Hof wasn't even on, CorVe had started another game, you were dead etc... Not to mention this could have all been avoided if you had simply subbed your player that dropped 5 times and was gone for more than 10 minutes for one of the drops.
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Post by chuckynorris on Aug 20, 2007 20:53:20 GMT -5
ah my whole team wanted to play.. yours didn't, its because you were going to lose
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Post by chuckynorris on Aug 20, 2007 20:57:37 GMT -5
btw why only file a nonreport against corve, but not the other 7 players who didn't report you? that seems like unsportsmanlike conduct!
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Post by rupman on Aug 20, 2007 22:28:34 GMT -5
Like I said, where were the they? I was in the reload, God|aka|War was in the reload and no one else.
Because CorVe already blatently stated he wouldn't report. If you read my whole post, then you would know I said I will file against all if necessary. I expect them to report on their own. Therefore they get the standard 24 hour window unless they tell me otherwise.
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Post by thegreatsatan on Aug 20, 2007 22:40:32 GMT -5
just let it go guys. it was a long crappy misserable 4.5 hour game. in the end it coulda gone either way but my team was on top 5v4. it wasnt worth waitng another 1.5 hours to find out though. I sugest people make sure there comp is in good working order before playing
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Post by Bantams on Aug 21, 2007 1:39:01 GMT -5
rofl its 2 drops and ya out fools read the rules!
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Post by geforced on Aug 21, 2007 2:17:28 GMT -5
this topic made me smile
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Post by redphoenix on Aug 21, 2007 3:35:33 GMT -5
rofl its 2 drops and ya out fools read the rules! In team game its actually team drops, a player can drop as many times as there are players on his team, but minimum of 2 times are free drops anyway I think. But usually situations like this should be resolved without getting to this. Team games are not games where you try to gain advantage by forcing other team report with non game means. Anyhow to the issue at hand. If a player is gone for longer than 10 mins, the other team has no choise but to sub him or continue with AI by ladder rules. The other team does not need to wait for this player longer than 10 mins. And in team it is about the other team if they allow a sub or not, not the team that loses the player. They have to go by what kind of sub the other team lets them use, or play with an AI player. By ladder rules, subs are not a general rule, but kind gesture by the opponent to allow a sub. It is generally just a matter of good sportsmanship to allow subs in team games, sometimes in cton games, but there is no rule that says you must let a sub in. Anyway just general things, I wasn't present when this situation occured. Let's all play nice and get along here. But if rupmans story goes true any, I think they were in their right to continue with AI if the other team didn't want to get a fair sub for that missing/lagging/crashing player. Scrap should never be the norm.
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Post by godwar on Aug 21, 2007 4:04:59 GMT -5
i must say this post is ridiculous. i was dropping thats truth, but ur team accepted it coz they waited and im grateful for that. But really my comp isn't a crap. i don't drop often usually. dunno why it was in that game. it happens sometimes that ur connection suck. u cant
but anyways i want to say that i wont report this game. i dont think we were going to lose that game at all. we had quiet a good plan. we had 2 top powers. and 2 bombs. they were ahead only by 200 points, and we still didnt got points from one bomb. but it really doesn't matter. The main point is i wanted to play that game so i don't wanna report. i hosted a reload and only rupman came. one of his teammates disappeared, next one entered another game. i don't think like i owe him some kind of report. and rupman u may be sure i will talk about this non report with CS if u will file it
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Post by rupman on Aug 21, 2007 13:20:28 GMT -5
We didn't accept it. you see there is this thing called a vote screen and as long as one person puts wait you are forced to wait. We wanted to sub or continue or your team to concede but your team, particularly chucky(who was dead but stayed in game and decided to speak for their team) wouldn't do any of those things.
Oh and we knew you had the 2nd bomb coming we had a bomb of our own coming and I was about to start wondering whoring since I was Augustus and had Marble and Stone. I would have had HG soon and that is worth about 100 points when all the land is full of cities. Our other bomb would have been worth about 100 points since we were all jammed in on both fronts except right in front of satan where your 2nd bomb was going. So with all that said with your 2 bombs you would have had to catch up about 450 points which is unlikely since bombs are worth at most 200 points. We were also out teching you by far. So it you would have need a 3rd bomb to really stand a chance.
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Post by godwar on Aug 21, 2007 14:45:46 GMT -5
im not gonna discuss it longer who would have won. i wanted to play. all guys from my team wanted to play. it was ur teammates who were missing (thegreatsatan), or reported (abcman), or joined a new game (ullaheinz). if u want to blame anyone then blame ur team. and stop making me laugh down here, coz our team doesn't owe u a sh!t. im done with this topic
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Post by rupman on Aug 21, 2007 16:30:14 GMT -5
If your team wanted to play so bad, then how come you were the only one from it in the reload? Why was CorVe in another game? Why was Hof and RBG no where to be found?
Anyways it's up to the admins now. I've filed on everyone from your team except Hof, who is in the box and I can't file on.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Aug 21, 2007 22:56:39 GMT -5
Ok I've let this thread go and have people vent. With out real proof this is all a "he said she said" for the moment. But I will state a few facts for people that seem to want to try and scrap games prematurely.
1. Scrapping takes and all but one vote, so in a 4v4 teamer 7 people have to formally agree to scrap *formally* before one person leaves the game. Any player that drops as soon as someone whispers scrap is going to get a report forced on them. The Admin team is getting very tired with players that try and get out a reports in a losing game but trying to force a scrap. The very essence of this ladder is that we finish games, and report our losses. A small percentage of players are smearing the reputation of the ladder and they will find that we have little tolerance for this.
2. The ladder rules clearly state that a player only gets one free drop, and even then they get only 10 minutes. While it is normal that more are granted, but if a player is lagging or took longer than 10min to return it is completely legal and proper to drop that player from the game.
3. Subs are a gentlemen's agreement and nothing more. Our only rules on them are that they should be of relatively equal skill and if in a team game both captains have to agree to them. No agreement then you are stuck with an AI. Not getting a sub is NOT a reason to scrap a game.
It seems that many of these concepts are being ignored possibly in this game and in others, if players are looking to test the resolve of the admin team to enforce the very basic concepts of the ladder, that is fine, you are going to fine out that you are going to be playing open games alot!
CS
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