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Post by deviousdevil on May 28, 2007 15:28:31 GMT -5
OMG first strike is crazy i had no idea, i done a test yesterday. It seems to me with first strike, if you are fighting units with considerablly less str, first strike fuc king kicks ass. Its killing the unit even before combat takes place. But when you are facing units that have high str, for example knights, then tripple city works alot better. I thought protective was abit of a tool trait, maybe i was wrong. I found this out during single-player winning an emperor level game as Victoria. So many great generals I was able to have extremely highly promoed units built in capital (West Point there too) and my machine guns...well. Napolean had a vast military, yet it attacked a drill IV machine gunner fortified in a hill jungle, lets just say it wasn't long before he capitulated to me any became a vassal - without me having attacked, let alone taken any of his cities as he had lost that much power. The key is as you say that the unit has a higher strength than the attackers, first strikes re-roll lost battles when combat is being resolved and the more you go, the more chance of not only winning, but winning with no damage. Certainly this is part of the game I'm interested in learning more about, the appeal of a unit nearly impossible to kill.
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Post by tommynt on May 29, 2007 3:35:02 GMT -5
a machinegune fortified on hill city ll easy beat 10-15 lets say redcoats - maybe even infantries that makes 3 machinguns beat 30 recoats
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Post by lordelgis on May 29, 2007 10:50:59 GMT -5
I was under attack by about 10 units most of which were cats. I had 1 quadruple drill long bow and a couple archers. I lost nothing. Drill is amazing against cats.
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Post by metallian on May 29, 2007 14:25:03 GMT -5
Drill Longbows can be quite powerful in the hands of a good players. The protective trait isn't as bad as many think. Drill 3 longbows can be very effective attackers. However, the problem most players don't want to deviate from building their massive elephant/cat stack, therefore the protective trait is wasted. Most players don't have have a clue on how to use their traits effectively because they want to play every Civ like an expansive Civ. The only problem with drill is there are units that ignore first strikes such as knights and horse archers so they can be countered.
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Post by DrShot on May 29, 2007 16:43:03 GMT -5
Most entertaining that some of these heroes are just figuring out old practices of this game.
Triple Drill gives a 40% less collateral damage as well...
Try double drill with the pony up for extra + 25% vs horses, great when knights are about to hit the streets.
Variety is the spice of life it is said. In civ variety can often prolong life...or end it accordingly.
I'm not sure why so many dislike Mao, being Pro/Exp is handy, usually you can bust out 5-15 kick ass Cho-ko-Nu's b4 Guilds is reached.
Protective civ's early LB, kill that first explorer and get a hero unit from the get go, not too shabby, eh?
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Post by xiaojuzi on May 30, 2007 5:26:02 GMT -5
Most entertaining that some of these heroes are just figuring out old practices of this game. u dont understand! do u take it seriously and really think MGT has no idea with these old game concepts? nope! MGT did it purposively as a form of educating mass.he told a story hoping one day some of u can understand and realize the true meaning he have planted in the story so u can have a deeper comprehension for this game. now u all have a good sense to firststrikes.so the lesson has been taught.class over boy.
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Post by mrgametheory on May 30, 2007 13:07:26 GMT -5
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Post by lordelgis on May 30, 2007 15:26:40 GMT -5
I knew of the value of 1st strike b4 this thread but why should i share such secrets. Thanks MGT for letting the cat out of the bag
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Post by DrShot on May 30, 2007 20:16:38 GMT -5
Most entertaining that some of these heroes are just figuring out old practices of this game. u dont understand! do u take it seriously and really think MGT has no idea with these old game concepts? nope! MGT did it purposively as a form of educating mass.he told a story hoping one day some of u can understand and realize the true meaning he have planted in the story so u can have a deeper comprehension for this game. now u all have a good sense to firststrikes.so the lesson has been taught.class over boy. I made no reference to MGT nor would I; everyone knows he already knows everything. Do you just make lame post in the forum or do you play the game too?
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Post by xiaojuzi on May 30, 2007 21:40:02 GMT -5
lol
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Post by deviousdevil on May 30, 2007 22:22:05 GMT -5
When are you and MGT getting a room together? ;D
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Post by xiaojuzi on May 30, 2007 22:28:05 GMT -5
yeah£¬he is soooo cute...im thirsting for that ;D
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Post by MMV on May 31, 2007 15:32:00 GMT -5
you all want to see REAL excitement, wait until EmptyGee finds out that they sell sliced bread.
I bet he'll be so overwhelmed he'll make a thread about it, rofl!
(which will, unfortunately, continue to underwhelm the rest of us)
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Post by hofzeluches on May 31, 2007 16:22:46 GMT -5
well I just tested it in worldbuilder, attacking 3 unpromoted skirms in city on hill with 40% def, none of them have fortification (cause I dunno how to add fortification in worldbuilder) The attackers were unpromoted skirms, a total of 30 attempts, and the results are: it takes an average of 11.7 skirms to raze the city, minimum being 6, max being 17 so were lucky? dunno, but I'm begining to worry myself
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Post by knupp on May 31, 2007 19:53:12 GMT -5
Once in a cton I was getting rushed from both sides. I had to build a lot of early warriors. I killed all of them except for one warrior on a forest hill next to my city. I attacked it 5v1 and lost. It killed me and ended my 59 game streak.
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Post by zzZhenon on Jun 17, 2007 10:56:12 GMT -5
Playing a 1v1 against some newb, I have 16 Skirmishers outside his city. Inside his city he has 3 Skirms with no promtotions. the city is on a mountain and the city does have 40%, only 1 skirm is fortified and the others have 10 and 0, I attack the city with all skirms and Lose every Skirm and don't kill a single skirm. I still won the game. I have no other comments to make becides the fact that In my civ 4 life I have never seen better luck, can anyone beat this? I was thinking about this and I wonder that if you had given your skirms Drill I, you would have won.... You would have had 2-3 first strikes
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Post by Ellestar on Oct 26, 2007 16:59:57 GMT -5
My Shock axe just killed 4 unpromoted axes. 0.0018483521298869865 chance ROFLMAO
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Post by Bantams on Oct 26, 2007 17:20:19 GMT -5
nice thread just found it I lost a once to 1 cav v 3 infs and 2 arts lol gg was a occ i was the one with the 3 infs and 2 arts pm Islandia for a screen shot lol
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