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Post by Canucksoldier on Mar 10, 2007 18:17:03 GMT -5
Right now we give a person one free report, the second report gets a Bomb, 3rd gets 3 days in the box, 4th 7 days, 5th 14 days, and after that it's the call of the Admin to how severe the punishments get. This is your chance to give us some feedback, if my examples aren't what you want please state in your reply what you want to see and why.
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Post by Necrominousss on Mar 10, 2007 18:46:28 GMT -5
If person forgets to, or just doesn't report, for whatever reason, a whole game, where he needs to report to 4 other people, is that considered one offense or 4 offenses?
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Post by Canucksoldier on Mar 10, 2007 18:56:00 GMT -5
Every non-report is individual, so if a person forgets an entire cton of 7 other players and they all file non-reports and 2 days later that person has not reported any of them then they have 7 non-reports and life is going to suck for them.
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Post by MMV on Mar 11, 2007 9:10:26 GMT -5
I voted "something else"
Instead of non-report warning and a series of penalty boxes, I suggest an adjustment in rank.
Other than those who are new or busy or had to take the dog for a walk - you get a first time warning just like now.
After the first warning, I suggest the following:
Whenever someone fails to report, their rank is adjusted on the ladder
example:
1. 1st non-report: warning 2. 2nd non-report: rank adjustment of -25 (i.e. non-reporter goes from 15 back to 40; 100 back to 125, etc 3. 3rd non-report: rank adjustment of -100 4. 4th non-report: reset rank to N/A
so yes... if someone is in a 4v4 and admins have to "force" a report for a member of the losing team, the non-reporter goes all the way through stages 1-4 and their stats are reset to N/A in a single game (etc, etc, etc)
It may seem harsh to the non-reporters, but to those that report as required by the rules, it won't effect them
I don't think this will add to the report-duty admin's workload, it would be the same amount of admin work
It seems that penalty boxes are not as effective as they once were and possibly lends way to multiple accounts, just causing more admin issues to deal with at a later date.
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Post by Bantams on Mar 11, 2007 10:53:30 GMT -5
I voted As MMV if someone dosnt report say 2 days after the none report as been Filled as long as they are still Active reset their Stats they may think twice about reporting in Future IMO but with a open ladder I dont think much can be done about the PPL that join play one game DIE and then quit without reporting
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Post by Necrominousss on Mar 11, 2007 20:28:56 GMT -5
Lower in rank? What would that matter? Just beat 2 or 3 guys with higher rank and you right back were you were. Put the non reporting goof in the box and get him out of my sight, so he don't frustrate me anymore.
1 free fine, we all make mistakes.
2nd bomb, that' fine. May take some noobs awhile to adjust to system or they want to test it's limits. (But are you not suppose to play with bomb so if you get 3rd with bomb whats that mean)
3rd offense is were I would start really increasing penalty. Third non report he gets 1 week.
4th offense, this guys probably not ladder material. Give him a month in box, on admins descretion. Meaning admin could not be that servere if there were extrodinary reasons or he feels person has learned his leason and begs for less days in box, but minimuim 14 days.
5th offense. Adios amigo! I guess admin could also use descretion here as well, but minimium 60 days.
I would say the system in place isn't bad over all. Maybe just a little tougher exponitially as the offenses pile up.
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Post by Bantams on Mar 11, 2007 20:34:41 GMT -5
Ok so i am a noob i have fun playing though but at least this Noob knows How too Report not one none report against me since NOV 2005 Why cant the other noobs work it out?
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Post by Necrominousss on Mar 11, 2007 20:38:24 GMT -5
Just a question for interest. If someone never reported but responded to every nonreport filed, would that be within the limits of rules, since he took care of every one filed? I think the nonreports you respond to don't count against you? Would that behavior just fall under bad sportmanship or some other rule and be under admins descretion to how to treat this member?
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Post by MMV on Mar 11, 2007 16:46:14 GMT -5
Lower in rank? What would that matter? Just beat 2 or 3 guys with higher rank and you right back were you were exactly - a good player could do exactly what you said about beating 2 or 3 guys - at least for the FIRST and second non-report. this would punish the person that is NOT reporting (or putting it off) on purpose and not by accident in their effort to "rank-whoar" (OMG that HAPPENS! can you believe it?) why would they intentionally not report? to protect their rank. hit them with what they are trying to protect and - once again, putting people in the penalty box for a few days or longer only creates an atmosphere of multiple accounts creating additional work and problems for the players and additional work for the admins in the long run.
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Post by Death to ALL on Mar 11, 2007 17:05:59 GMT -5
Just a question for interest. If someone never reported but responded to every nonreport filed, would that be within the limits of rules, since he took care of every one filed? I think the nonreports you respond to don't count against you? Would that behavior just fall under bad sportmanship or some other rule and be under admins descretion to how to treat this member? yes, this would fall under the admins descretion. Ussually if they file the all the reports upon recieving notice of non-report filed, it is dropped. e may also want to keep track of how many of these types of reports are made also. I have no problem with the idea of dropping rank. Question though, what do we do with those players that are already listed int eh unranked that don't file reports? I would say maybe box time and a auto drop in rank, but limit the rank drop to those in the top 100-150 or something. Rank beyond that and they prob don't really care about rank.
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Post by DustyDragoon on Mar 12, 2007 6:47:17 GMT -5
Just a question for interest. If someone never reported but responded to every nonreport filed, would that be within the limits of rules, since he took care of every one filed? I think the nonreports you respond to don't count against you? Would that behavior just fall under bad sportmanship or some other rule and be under admins descretion to how to treat this member? Necro has a very valid point here Admins, there are quite a few on ladder that use this method. Maybe we have to eliminate the friendly reminder email and just file the non report after 24 hours. It is for the above reason that I just gave up sending emails and filing. They don't forget, they just hope you won't send in a non report.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Mar 12, 2007 9:35:11 GMT -5
We do keep track of these people as well. If it's obvious that player X always needs a non-report to get any reports they will eventually get noticed and receive some punishment at the admins discretion.
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Post by Lestat on Mar 12, 2007 9:35:45 GMT -5
Use current boxing rules plus wot MMV sugested...
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Post by 9iron9 on Mar 12, 2007 11:48:55 GMT -5
im not being funny but how hard is it and how long does it take to report a game after u finnished it. 2 mins max. its courtesy more than anything. u play for a prize (being report from losing players). if ppl are unwilling to do it i say one strike as a warning then box for 2 weeks. its harsh but why should u forget, it should be standard practice if u lose report. ive had alot of practice of this same as banty so were quite good.
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Post by prettyhatemachine on Mar 14, 2007 13:36:57 GMT -5
dont care for use this forum and pray only with GOD but on hear cum to post on this one cos is true to say stopped bother with look at ladder for this reason.
pretty does not like to be a secretary for the bums and all this work of filling out more reports than have pretty fingers and no play made pretty a dull boy. let everyone go now and am lucky to ever get a report. last check few weeks since stopped win has plummeted but dont care cos consider a very pretty pay packet to not have to do any more womans work for what is already mine.
pretty piper pecked a peck of pistols. a peck of pistols pretty piper picked. if pretty piper picked a peck of pistols, how many pistols did it take to finish peppering n00biono?
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Post by MookieNJ on Mar 14, 2007 23:02:35 GMT -5
I don't understand why it's so hard for people to report, because it's really not. I'm currently waiting on about 10 non-reports and that's pretty ridiculous. I'd like to think that swifter processing of non-reports combined with harsher penalties would somewhat alleviate the problem. The fact that sometimes you need to wait 2 weeks or more before you receive a reply on a non-report that you filed, combined with giving the non-reporter a few days to report, means that they're "getting away" without reporting for quite a long time. What incentive do they have to report when seemingly nothing happens to them when they don't? Personally, I would like to see the penalties as: 1 non-report -- warning and rules explanation 2 non-reports -- 3 days in the box 3-5 non-reports -- 7 more days in the box 6-10 non-reports -- 14 more days in the box 11+ non-reports -- 30 more days in the box Give them some time to think about how hard it is to report. It may be harsh, but anyone who quits over box time for not reporting probably isn't worth having on the ladder in the first place. As for the processing of non-reports, it would be great if they could be handled 72 hours after being filed. That gives the non-reporter plenty of time to check his or her email, report, or contest the non-report. Hopefully harsher punishments along with swifter processing of non-reports will make this less of an issue .
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Post by tamijo on Mar 15, 2007 9:01:42 GMT -5
Personally, I would like to see the penalties as: 1 non-report -- warning and rules explanation 2 non-reports -- 3 days in the box 3-5 non-reports -- 7 more days in the box 6-10 non-reports -- 14 more days in the box 11+ non-reports -- 30 more days in the box
No this is not too hard, suits perfect
Rank means nothing if you are not in top 20, i loose rank 25-50 places if i have a weekend off, so loosing 25 would mean nothing to me. what you can hurt is the win %, so i guess every forced report should be a dobbelt or tribble report. would be a compensation upon the poor soul having to await the report and would at the same time hurt badly upon the % off the cheater.
I'we seen two exsamles yesterday, where people do not report selected persons in a game, that was not forgetting, that was later explained like this. 1/ I do not report if i feel someone have offended me in a game 2/ If i had not lost that worker i would have ended above you !
The state off dicipline is very low, not that these are new players no both well known players, been here for years.
Voted something else !
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Post by Matlowe on Mar 15, 2007 9:51:27 GMT -5
THERE IS A WAY BETTER SYSTEM FOR THIS AND I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS IT! GOD DAMN REPORT AND WE WONT HAVE TO DO THIS! maybe for the noobs who dont understand yet get a lighter penalty but for more experienced players and continous non-reporters should get a very heavy penalty.
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Post by italiano on Mar 15, 2007 11:55:42 GMT -5
Here is what i think about this...... Admins need to actually LOOK at nonreports.....several (about 15) of my nonreports have not been processed.....I dont understand that period. Heres my version of the penalty 1st- Warning 2nd-Penalty box......maybe 1 day 3rd-Bomb and penalty box-5 days 4th-Penalty box-8 days.Put on probation and removed early if promised to report 5th-Penalty box 15-25 days at admin discretion 6th or above-30+ days and anything above 8 should be banishment from ladder for 3 months
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Post by grimarch on Mar 15, 2007 18:17:32 GMT -5
Guys this is simple as ive said this on other threads, ignore all this complexity about number of reports time in box. Tiem in box i bad just means they play under a pseudo or somthing or worse stops them playing! not enough players without that.
Simply have a non-report players which has no rank, each time the player does not report and its confirmed place a report for the player and an extra 5 against the player for the non-report player.
Only reason people do not report is to get good stats, rank is pointless look at top 20....
Im a bad reporter due my PC hating all the adverts on the stupid website, i does take 20 mins for me to report a set of reports with active x blocks totalling 45 at the moment...
Grim
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