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Post by TheGoddess on Nov 4, 2005 11:00:18 GMT -5
I have an honest question here.
Is anyone here in the ladder, a beta tester, a strategy writer, a moderator, anyone, receiving any monetary gains from this game or its promotion of it? Is anyone in the above catagories receiving any royalties, freebies, promises of a job, or any type of compensation whatsoever either for their part in development or advice to CIV?
It just seems odd that some people are really gunho for this game with so many people that are disappointed in this game. I cant recall any threads in the PTW or Conquests days that dealt with so much negativity to this game, meaning the "game" itself, not MP. It appears that people either love this game or hate it, no happy medium IMO. So thats why I am asking this question, the game is either a 9-10 or a 1-2 depending on who you speak with.
If some of you cant answer this question due to a NDA, pull an OJ on us.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 4, 2005 11:13:30 GMT -5
I think that you are just seeing the to extremes in all the forums, the average player is not posting really. CIV was bound to upset alot of the old Civers because it's a major change in direction, and some people don't like change. So you get major complaints. The people that really do like it, then feel obligated to "fire back". And take into consideration that few people even know anything about the game, both these opinions are based on less than one weeks play time by most players. So I'd take all this with a grain of salt. The dev's are more likely to look at gameplay issues several months from now when the culture shock is over and people have experience to make contructive feedback.
CS
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 4, 2005 11:16:12 GMT -5
And no, I got paid nothing for 1.5 years work other than my satifaction of solving alot of C3C problems for the MP community and a free game, valued at $50, pretty good deal for Firaxis I think and for this community.
CS
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 4, 2005 11:26:50 GMT -5
The whole administrative team is on a volunteer basis. The beta testers credited at back of manual got a free copy of game, which we will probably get in about 18 months As CS said some love it, some don't. So to answer your question. No this is a free web-page supported by veterans civers who do it to form a community of MP players. Sorry you barking up the wrong tree on this one
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Post by SirPartyMan on Nov 4, 2005 11:52:46 GMT -5
I didn't and don't receive any compensation for my volunteer efforts, other that a game credit and a free version of the game (eventually). Of course I already bought a version of the game anyway.
Yes, there are differences of opinion as to the new game. I believe there are several reasons for this:
a) some people are dealing with serious bugs, install problems, hardware deficiencies - this group is obviously unhappy and vocal. I would hope a patch would address their problems as soon as possible (I am told to expect a patch by next week).
b) some people don't like the new 3D graphics - personally it took me a time to get used to them, but now I think it's cool. One has to master the zoom-in zoom-out technique to get the perspective they want.
c) some people deal with change better than others. They don't like losing certain abilities such as double-move, pre-building, or micromanagement. I've seen this cycle several times now when a new game comes out. But eventually the vast majority of CIV fans move over to the new rules, strategies, and techniques.
To me, the advantages of the new game are enormous and far outweigh any criticisms. But that's my 2 cents. Your mileage may vary. Last time I looked there are hundreds of games out there of which CIVILIZATION is just one.
We now have 530 online players who have participated in almost 2000 matches - not bad for the first week since the product rolled out.
Best, SirPartyMan
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Post by StarlightDeath on Nov 4, 2005 11:53:15 GMT -5
Fried got paid 37K to be a consultant and he has a strategy guide deal. Some like canuck are fanboys out of loyalty and a reputation to uphold since if this game fails their names are on that little booklet.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Nov 4, 2005 12:09:25 GMT -5
I don't know how you got your information - but Fried worked nearly full-time on this for more than a year, so any compensation he received was certainly due to him. Authors of books receive royalties - that's a normal practice.
SPM
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Post by StarlightDeath on Nov 4, 2005 12:10:59 GMT -5
Ok, so you just confirmed what I said...and?
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Post by SirPartyMan on Nov 4, 2005 12:15:56 GMT -5
I didn't "confirm" your figure - Fried and I never discussed the amount of his compensation. I doubt that you would know the accurate amount.
I simply know he was "on staff" and worked full time that's what I commented on.
I also know that authors of books receive royalties; however, I have no personal knowledge of his agreement with them.
Fried is justifiably proud of his efforts. His work benefitted the entire MP community. Issues we have been struggling with such as imposters, lengthy and cumbersome restarts, and various other game exploits are now permanently fixed. I think he is to be commended.
Best, SPM
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Post by StarlightDeath on Nov 4, 2005 12:32:53 GMT -5
Was that really that difficult to fix? Are you saying that Civ4 MP now has a multiplayer that every other game has had for the past oh...10 years? Gee, how nice that you finally after all these years gave civilization a basic MP function. Fried told me the numbers himself.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 4, 2005 14:38:30 GMT -5
He may have got paid for part of the time on the test as a Consultant/Contractor, but for much of the time he did not. And he was just one off 3 Section Heads that were hired, so it's not like he was special. And the other 200 testers just do this for the game we love playing, a free CD and a mention in the credits is hardly being a professional gamer. Maybe you could have been invited to the test Eyes...but we aren't psychic, and you weren't active at all in our community before this and it's not like we kept Civ3players a big secret, it had a 1000 players at it's peak.
CS
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Post by MMV on Nov 4, 2005 14:44:25 GMT -5
it's getting more and more difficult to not post responses (bah! this was supposed to be above CS's post)
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Post by StarlightDeath on Nov 4, 2005 17:29:50 GMT -5
So what's stopping you now? You have someone who is experienced in both turn based and RTS. I played the game you guys took all your ideas from for 4 years in tournaments and with top players. If you are really committed to improving the game play you should bring me on to fix the RTS aspects at the very least. You guys violated the basic tenents of RTS games and what kept the skill in them and you still haven't realized it yet. AOC was strategically not as deep as civ2, and this game isn't even remotely as deep as AOC which is sad because AOC was never known for its deep thinking.
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Post by friedrichpsitalon on Nov 4, 2005 17:50:10 GMT -5
Eyes, we don't invite people with incredibly hostile attitudes that don't know how to work well with others. The Frankenstein community works cooperatively and harmoniously - you would not be welcome there.
I deeply regret discussing the amount of my compensation with you back when I had illusions to your decency as a human being and contributing member of this community.
I no longer have any such illusions. Goddess- I was, at one time, a paid consultant for Firaxis and I may at one time in the future be so again. Currently I am not receiving any compensation, and Firaxis values my unbiased and direct opinion on issues - even if it is negative.
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Post by StarlightDeath on Nov 4, 2005 17:56:50 GMT -5
You don't know anything about me. I happen to run my own business so don't talk to me about working well with others. And I see just how well your community works by what you put out in this game.
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 4, 2005 19:36:08 GMT -5
You don't know anything about me. I happen to run my own business so don't talk to me about working well with others. And I see just how well your community works by what you put out in this game. Well EoN, there's nothing keeping you here in Civ4players if you don't like the way we run things, most people don't share your opinion though and I doubt you are earning our respect when you start quoting private conversations in the forums, that's not the best wary to earn peoples respect. And if your run a successful business you certainly don't use the same technique's in this forum. CS
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 4, 2005 19:37:34 GMT -5
OK StarlightDeath, I do not know you. I have no ideal where this hostility for some of us comes from but I know this. I'm sorry but I have to stop you form posting for a little while. You cannot post here for 7 days. Your flaming comments are increasing and disrupting the harmony of our community. Should you decide to post upon your return I suggest you center your posts on strategies, whether you like the game or not. If you repost any more insults to the beta testers, administration and community members in general you will once again be kept from posting in the forum.
PS-this is not a forum where people can go flame out personal vendettas. If Fried made 1,000,000 dollars revenue from the game would still give you know right to come in here and start attacking people personally. Members are here to share knowledge of the game, discuss opinions and form a healthy community/family. We need posts like the one you have been forking out as much as we need to have a neighbor throw trash in our lawn.
GCAvogadro civ4players admin
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