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Post by willburn on Dec 11, 2006 15:29:02 GMT -5
"Also, I find your classification of ktulu as a bad player downright hillarious. He was the best player in civ3. Who's a good player to you...Fried? Don't make me laugh. " And you wanted me to not call you a civ3 fanboy..oh well i guess that went out the toilet mr civ3 fanboy... Actually i only played friend once, in a 3v3 renesance teamer. We had heard he was undefeated in civ4. Onesong boated him and killed him that game... So thats my only experience with playing fried. He wasnt much online when I was playing after that. I joined his clan illuminati and got invited to help test expansions for civ4. After this Ive played two warlords beta games with him but they where ctons (i won because i was abusing some imbalanced wonders at that time not because of some skill..basically we where more focused on testing than "winning") (btw fried I hope you become more active again ! ) And so what if ktul was the best player in the world in civ3 doesnt mean nuts too me for his ability to play civ4. He isnt one of the best civ4 players. period. Here is a few names out of the top of my head who would beat him any day: Mookenj, rokkitlauncher, wanggon, tommynt, sweviking, islandia, mark_weston, gogf, speaker, krill, bonsai, cryptococcus, Churchill1, lporiginalg, eiffel, everybodiesdarling. MGT. (and many many mud players who i forgot the name of) Automation, ironclad, onesong, longhorn. .. ok that wasnt enough to me to be frank..all of [God] all of [Ray] all of [Mud] all of [KC] all of all of the old [illuminati] all of the old [tx] ..am i forgetting someone? bottom line: No he is not a great player.
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Post by drixnak on Dec 11, 2006 15:32:19 GMT -5
Actually, I thought the economy wasn't too bad in Civ4. I had a big issue with the resources though...which was more a product of bad map scripts. The combat in my mind is the seriously fatal flaw plus the severe restrictions they put on expansion. As I said, Civ4 could be a good game but the flaws right now make that impossible. They need to remove the restrictiveness of some of the features, bring back turn based movement (this will fix alot of the combat problems), increase the damage of technologically superior units, and fix the unit issues like catapults. All of which will never be done.
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Post by Lestat on Dec 11, 2006 15:34:19 GMT -5
"Also, I find your classification of ktulu as a bad player downright hillarious. He was the best player in civ3. Who's a good player to you...Fried? Don't make me laugh. " And you wanted me to not call you a civ3 fanboy..oh well i guess that went out the toilet mr civ3 fanboy... Actually i only played friend once, in a 3v3 renesance teamer. We had heard he was undefeated in civ4. Onesong boated him and killed him that game... So thats my only experience with playing fried. He wasnt much online when I was playing after that. I joined his clan illuminati and got invited to help test expansions for civ4. After this Ive played two warlords beta games with him but they where ctons (i won because i was abusing some imbalanced wonders at that time not because of some skill..basically we where more focused on testing than "winning") (btw fried I hope you become more active again ! ) And so what if ktul was the best player in the world in civ3 doesnt mean nuts too me for his ability to play civ4. He isnt one of the best civ4 players. period. Here is a few names out of the top of my head who would beat him any day: Mookenj, rokkitlauncher, wanggon, tommynt, sweviking, islandia, mark_weston, gogf, speaker, krill, bonsai, cryptococcus, Churchill1, lporiginalg, eiffel, everybodiesdarling. MGT. (and many many mud players who i forgot the name of) Automation, ironclad, onesong, longhorn. .. ok that wasnt enough to me to be frank..all of [God] all of [Ray] all of [Mud] all of [KC] all of all of the old [illuminati] all of the old [tx] ..am i forgetting someone? bottom line: No he is not a great player.
no more funy u forgot me and JFF clan half of all mentioned above players i cant crush without playing with mouse.
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Post by willburn on Dec 11, 2006 15:34:50 GMT -5
Oh yeah and we can all agree that civ4 isnt perfect and i totaly agree the catapult needs to be looked at. Im sure "the powers to be" are looking into it too... Civ4 future isnt totaly broke in my oppinion but yes the settler 5 pop thingy makes it very fast paced. And I think there should be a better mix of units too.
But that isnt a huge problem either if you disagree or agree future is broke as most games are ancient to renesance age. Very few games are industrial or higher. If you want to learn how to play future i suggest you look into the strategy forum. Ive posted some of my toughts on the future game there.
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Post by drixnak on Dec 11, 2006 15:35:19 GMT -5
Go ahead and continue on that route, you're going to look really stupid in the end. If anything, I'm a civ2 fanboy. Again, you have absolutely no idea who I am and your comments show what you really are...an average player with an inflated ranking. Your skill rating is 1500...which is just atrocious.
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Post by willburn on Dec 11, 2006 15:36:03 GMT -5
Lol ok lestat..you would beat him too
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Post by ironclad on Dec 11, 2006 15:39:03 GMT -5
I beat Ktulu and everyone in a Epic by a longshot, they all conceeded to me
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Post by drixnak on Dec 11, 2006 15:39:18 GMT -5
Look who has the top skill rating right now there bud. Also, look at the hall of fame for win percentages and skill rating.
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Post by deviousdevil on Dec 11, 2006 15:42:25 GMT -5
Look who has the top skill rating right now there bud. Also, look at the hall of fame for win percentages and skill rating. Skill rating is nothing, reputation is everything and is gauged by if you get picked first in teamers. The ladder ranking and skill system blows goats and is why the captains in teamers are very often not the best players there.
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Post by ironclad on Dec 11, 2006 15:42:49 GMT -5
Resources are not a problem in Civ4 i beat a good players chariot rush in a 1v1 from Gamethroy before with archers, and managed to choke his bronze/iron, until i went pretty far to get mine. However he still won on points cause he got religions for cultural land boost points which get alot in ancient.
But yea I woulda have died if I wasnt able to hook up resources, Then again in civ3 ususally 2/8 players in cton will do a rush.. rest go for points and a big stack, so you dont need resource close.
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Post by deviousdevil on Dec 11, 2006 15:45:02 GMT -5
Look who has the top skill rating right now there bud. Also, look at the hall of fame for win percentages and skill rating. You did play in the days before most of the World got the game. You ain't on skill rating dude.
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Post by willburn on Dec 11, 2006 15:45:18 GMT -5
Go ahead and continue on that route, you're going to look really stupid in the end. If anything, I'm a civ2 fanboy. Again, you have absolutely no idea who I am and your comments show what you really are...an average player with an inflated ranking. Your skill rating is 1500...which is just atrocious. rank 2 skill 1962 winstreak +27 . Not the best in the world i agree but I never played for the stats. The only games im very serious about is the CCC. (I allways play to win in the ccc's) As ive said earlier rank means nothing. If you play teamers they only show how activly you are playing as the nr 1-10 spot will change a lot depending on how your team does it in that game. You can play a flawless game but if one teammate screwes up you loose. The challange ofcourse is playing flawless and helping your teammates win too. Civ3fanboy because you talk about ktulu from civ3 all the time. Anyways i might be off on this account as i dont know you.. you can be a civ2 fanboy or civ3fanboy doesnt really matter to be honest You still have an inflated ego in civ4... Oh and your right I have absolutly no idea who you are, and that indicates to me you havent played a whole lot of civ4... And if i suck or not I let others form an oppinion about. They know how I play because I play with a lot of people over a long period of time. I wouldnt call me the best as ive got plenty of eras im not the best in. But I would say my future game is quite strong (never lost). Ive had qoutes like "Probably one of the best civ4 players" so I know some people think im good (thanks lh btw... im not THAT good
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Post by drixnak on Dec 11, 2006 15:46:35 GMT -5
Ok, but how hard is it to make a map script where ALL resources will be present? That way you can play a mirror map and all the resources will appear instead of some maps you get 2 copper and no iron. What is that? How can you play a civ like Rome when you might not have any iron? It's just stupid and I don't understand why something so seemingly easy to fix was never fixed. Also, catapults have been a problem since last year. It's not like they haven't had time to fix this. DAMNIT! You have no idea how much I was looking forward to civ4 when it came out and it was just so terrible.
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Post by ironclad on Dec 11, 2006 15:47:02 GMT -5
Stats dont matter in civ4 as much people are obssessed with teamers
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Post by drixnak on Dec 11, 2006 15:48:51 GMT -5
Ok, you really lost me there. I mean I knew you weren't great, but now you just removed all doubt. Run along now.
Btw Yilar, MSN me seanlttsi@hotmail.com
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Post by ironclad on Dec 11, 2006 15:52:43 GMT -5
I like to play classical to modern Future is too one-dimensional, Willburn I actually think it has much less options -- Or maybe cause im comparing it to Civ3 and im being biased cause I have to say Civ3 future is way better. Just a few things they need to change in this game and Civ4 future will be better. But no doubt Civ4 is way better/more complex And yes ancient is resource dep. in a anc teamer or 1v1... but in Ctons resource is not so important which is what I will play if I play Ancient
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Post by willburn on Dec 11, 2006 15:53:00 GMT -5
lol drixnak. I dont understand your logic at all. Someone said to me, you can talk the talk - but can you walk the walk - and thats what i say to you too.. your all macho and think your great in civ4..how about a 1v1 game to see who is better? I Will take you any era . Ancient, classic, medival, renesance, industrial, modern future anything you like...
So can you walk the walk ?
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Post by MookieNJ on Dec 11, 2006 15:54:23 GMT -5
Ok, you really lost me there. I mean I knew you weren't great, but now you just removed all doubt. Run along now. If you're never played the guy how can you form a truly accurate opinion one way or the other? Stats tell only a small part of the story, and can be reset whenever players feel like it. Instead of coming here, bashing Civ4, bashing the Civ4 Ladder players, and acting like a stuck up know-it-all, why not rejoin the Ladder, give the game another try, and find out who the really good players are the only way you really can -- by playing them. If that's not appealing, it's more than ok to stop by and say hi to your old friends (I think I've counted 3 people you're familiar with now!) ... but to come here and spout off such vile hate and flames really says something about you and your character.
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Post by knupp on Dec 11, 2006 15:55:40 GMT -5
This is your opinion. Apparently more people do like Civ4 than Civ3..or at least the Civ4 ladder is a lot more active than Civ3. Don't come to a Civ4 Message Board for the sole purpose of saying it sucks. All you will find is hostility. Now why don't you try to explain why you don't like Civ4 so we can have a civil conversation. What don't you like about the combat system? Severe restriction they put on expansion? If you mean you can't do an infinite city sprawl every single game like Civ3 then I'd agree with you. But in every single game I've played of Civ4, usually the best player is the player who can expand and build up as fast as possible while keeping their economy afloat and not dying to an early attack. Much more strategical than building as many cities as possible and building all units from start to finish.
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Post by Tony on Dec 11, 2006 15:56:45 GMT -5
LOOOOOOL i remember this guy EyesOfNight, i thought he changed his name to Mr game theory. I guess they 2 diffrent people!
But to answer your questions EoN, the connection issues and bugs are pretty much gone from CIV MP. On vanilla CIV, i connected like 20% of the time now its more like 90-something.
So in that respect its much improved. As for balance issues, thats a matter of opinion, you gonna have to come play agian to find out.
But smack-talking when you dont play the game is really lame, i would suggest you start playing agian, get as good as you can and take on some of these challenges if you win them, then you truely have the right to smack talk all you want.
I can understand you dont like the combat side of the game, but if you such a micro-god, it shouldnt be a problem!
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