Abyss
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Post by Abyss on Dec 16, 2006 22:44:32 GMT -5
You think we went off topic? ~Abyss
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Post by Bantams on Dec 17, 2006 3:48:05 GMT -5
You think we went off topic? ~Abyss Yes seems so Its gone way off topic Bantams
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Post by MookieNJ on Jan 14, 2007 21:36:41 GMT -5
Up 600 points and one player decides he is bored, completely ignores his captain, and throws away all his units on a stupid attack with no scouting to figure out how many units he is up against. Then he dies.
Another 5 free reports to hand out because so many players love to play "teamers" but refuse to play as a "team." What a joke.
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Post by SirPartyMan on Jan 15, 2007 11:41:29 GMT -5
Well I am surprised at this complaint - it's one thing to make a mistake (sometimes worker actions precede discovery of resources. Yesterday, I farmed an iron square, before I knew) but it's another to sabotage your team. A few steps occur to me:
1) report this person to the admins - it's clearly bad sportsmanship if sabotage is intentional. Unfortunately sometimes that might be hard to judge. The case Mookie cites could just be a player with a lousy team attitude who thought he was going to succeed in that battle, despite his poor technique.
2) never play with them again.
3) consider privately talking to other teammates and establishing a new password and rehost game without the miscreant - find a substitute or play with an AI.
Best, SPM
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Post by SweViking on Jan 15, 2007 16:48:22 GMT -5
Hmm i guess... a) since mookie played it, im 99% sure it was inland sea b) the only map that can get really (REALLY) boring is inland sea But any way, if you get bored dont f**k up for the team who actually might sit with a 600 point lead and enjoying every second of the dreddful 2 min a turn in late game. In my late experience of this game league, its more importent to win then have a fun game. Most wanna play same settings over and over again, game after game. Do exact same tech route EVERY game and play like a robot with no thinking... And after they done that 2000-3000 games they change era to medi... But the right answer if you get bored is = Get a sub, dont spoil the game for those left in team that actually enjoy it. If you are this ego that mookie discribed, then i recommend cton where you free of charge can kamikaze yourself to death ;D Or do as me now, take a break for a few days, weeks. Because i promise you, the games in lobby will be 99% ren/medi on inland sea, and the same GA bombed and stacked fronts with a point race game as a result will accour freqvently so dont spoil them, just dont play them... // Swe PS. i lost my motivation, if you find it, pls tell me! DS.
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Post by everybodysdarling on Jan 15, 2007 17:14:37 GMT -5
The sabotaging player mookie was telling about is me. I'm front, Bismarck, hardly get any support from my whole team (in total maybe 8 impis (thanks Conquistador) and 6 kngihts). I manage to get biggest population( and score), by far biggest production and biggest power. I say I am bored and see a chance of killing Nero, my opponent on the front who is significantly weaker than me. Team captain, alexcherbourg. alex who???) awares me of attacking, I don't listen to him, go in and lose my whole stack due to 4 players armys sitting in Neros land. (they were preparing an attack on me) After that The 4 players army kills me easily. This is my fault No doubt. And I've reported the enemy team and my own team (mookie and alex each 3 times). Wish I could take the whole reponsibility on me and dont let my team mates report. But it's not possible in teamers. I failed showing teamwork, was very bored of just building army 80 turns long and not bother even use any unit. In the moment I've attacked I wanted to finish that game and somehow I did. But not with the result I was hoping for. Therefor I'm sorry. But mookie, my friend, To call my actions sabotaging the team, goes to far. By entering a teamer you accept the results of the whole team and not only your of your own play. - Imagine I wouldnt have attacked and waited instead 4-5 turns longer for the opponent team to attack and eventually kill me. How would that change your oppinion? - Would you still call me a slow? And that's all I will keep in mind from that game. The way you treat your team mates after making a mistake. I completely abominate the kind of teamers you like. It was my fault in the first place to join that game. Now ban me, put me in penalty box or whatever. For myself, I will simply avoid you with your exciting builderfest and on-army-sitting games. Have fun. - EBD
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Post by MMV on Jan 15, 2007 19:10:33 GMT -5
so in your actions, you "quit"
report to all in game (including your team), take two aspirin, and call in sick for work tomorrow.
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Post by everybodysdarling on Jan 15, 2007 19:44:52 GMT -5
i did not quit.
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Post by zzZhenon on Jan 15, 2007 19:57:59 GMT -5
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Post by DrShot on Jan 15, 2007 20:38:28 GMT -5
Well, in the ever loving style of game you speak of:Inland'boring-ass'sea games it is very common, almot a certainty that the other team has a few other players stacked behind the lead civs front citis. power graphs must be deciphered, not one civ has the true power. Complete gifting is too expensive, esecially if one plans an attack(leaving the friendly territory). Don't fall into this pitfall. No, not playinf ILS REN Teamers, the hey, they look weak bait n switch trap. Hey, cute hat EBD, Zhenon said he would knit me one too, just never received it
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Post by knupp on Jan 15, 2007 22:40:35 GMT -5
I think it's extremely funny people continue to say RaY only plays inland sea ren teamers. Even after losing the ren event in CCC and still winning. If you've ever played an inland sea game, medi or ren with RaY you would know it is never a builderfest and on-army-sitting games. I personally detest these games, along with my entire clan. You should come on ts once in a while and listen to us bitch when we get stuck into these types of games. Better yet, those of you that say this should actually play games with us...we don't play much inland sea at all anymore. P.S.. Didn't RaY kill 2/3's of the MUD team last ccc in the medieval event? Hm...seems we aren't the ones who like to sit back and play build-fests afterall.
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Post by everybodysdarling on Jan 16, 2007 2:07:58 GMT -5
peace. I've calmed down I'm cool with mookie, and RaY.
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Post by longhorn on Jan 16, 2007 2:11:49 GMT -5
Or do as me now, take a break for a few days, weeks. Because i promise you, the games in lobby will be 99% ren/medi on inland sea, and the same GA bombed and stacked fronts with a point race game as a result will accour freqvently so dont spoil them, just dont play them... // Swe PS. i lost my motivation, if you find it, pls tell me! DS. Swev- I am starting to get right there with you, except for me its TBG (top vs bottom) teamers all the freaking time. I am taking a week off myself, hoping that helps but something I have tried to suggest is the following changes. 1) BAN CIVIC SLAVERY (BORING BORING BORING), try having to make forges, workshops, and think carefully before stripping your land of those precious trees. 2) BAN UNIT CATAPULT - the only thing more boring than your slave a stack kill game is your slave a stack of cats and kill game. I think these 2 simple changes would revolutionize the games we play now. Also something to consider TBG Left VS Right -- its a cool map.. can involve land and sea battle, its usually pretty equal, and you have to do some tech before you can attack! Bring back ring, islands, wheel, hub, etc games too! -lh
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Post by Speaker on Jan 16, 2007 9:26:56 GMT -5
P.S.. Didn't RaY kill 2/3's of the MUD team last ccc in the medieval event? Hm...seems we aren't the ones who like to sit back and play build-fests afterall. Mali in the back, dyes, and gems, marble, how can I lose?!! ;D
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Post by SweViking on Jan 16, 2007 11:40:48 GMT -5
I think it's extremely funny people continue to say RaY only plays inland sea ren teamers. Even after losing the ren event in CCC and still winning. If you've ever played an inland sea game, medi or ren with RaY you would know it is never a builderfest and on-army-sitting games. I personally detest these games, along with my entire clan. You should come on ts once in a while and listen to us bitch when we get stuck into these types of games. Better yet, those of you that say this should actually play games with us...we don't play much inland sea at all anymore. P.S.. Didn't RaY kill 2/3's of the MUD team last ccc in the medieval event? Hm...seems we aren't the ones who like to sit back and play build-fests afterall. I think it's extremely funny people continue to read that RaY only plays inland sea ren teamers when its actully not even mentioned in the thread. Pls advice me knupp where i or ebd say that only RaY people plays inland sea medi/ren. I say that the game league in general plays it, and i say that mookie plays inland sea alot with a smiley after ( ) Since when is mookie then entire Ray clan that you read? Knupp you have so much double morale its funny.. Who is talking crap about other clans exept you? And who crys river when its ACTULLY mentioned in another thread? Dont throw stones in a glass house, you read what you want to see, not whats actually written and then blames MUD for it, then you talk MUD down and after that you cant understand why MUD could be so dumb to say "bad" things about other clans... Please understand that me, ebd, tommy and more plays for MUD, but dosent speak what MUD thinks in every thread. I´m from Sweden, but everyone in sweden dosent share my point of view becuase of that. When you see me write like this: MUD plays offensive, Ray dosent!! Then comment and remark, otherwise please dont.
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Post by knupp on Jan 16, 2007 15:17:40 GMT -5
Many people have said RaY only plays inland sea. I never once mentioned in my post that it was you, ebd, or MUD who said that. We all enjoy playing different types of games...there is no need to single somebody out for liking a game type you don't. I think everyone has agreed that a little trash talk here and there isn't bad. When exactly did I say it wasn't? There is a difference between a little trash talk (my post above) and personal attacks on individual people and clans... What did I blame MUD for in my above post? When did I say MUD was dumb? I'm not the one who reads what they want... I don't understand or see the significance in any of that. I don't have beef with MUD Swe. I've had tons of fun playing with most of MUD clan, including you and ebd (despite our little disagreement a couple of days ago..I know we can all get mad sometimes ebd ) I've only ever had beef with 2 people in MUD. And this is only because of their attitudes in posts and in games. There is no reason to continue arguing about this fact. We all have the right to play with who we want. I only brought it up in the CCC thread because I was fed up with the same old egotistical attitude posts. I'm not really concerned whether or not you agree with me or disagree with me Swe. Why bring it up again?
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Post by knupp on Jan 16, 2007 15:31:06 GMT -5
Strategies change. Civ is constantly evolving. This strategy was big 2 CCC's ago. GOD almost won by wiping out their opponents every single game through slaving huge stacks. Watching people adapt to these strats and counter them is the true essence of Civ. The players who continue doing their slave strat will be left in the dust while the players who evolve their strats will be the winning ones.
I think one problem right now is the growing popularity of Classical games. There is basically one strategy in this era. If you have impis or chariots rush the person on the other team that doesn't have resources. If your rush fails then build up infrastructure and have a huge catapult war.
I don't have a problem with TBG maps though, I think it is the best map for teamers. I just wish it wasn't always a race to culture bomb.
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Post by NumberOneMercury on Jan 16, 2007 15:47:04 GMT -5
Yes, I got second in the OCC by slaving huge stacks I really don't know what ebd and mookie are fighting about: it was MUD/RAY/MDR/SDRR/KC vs GOD/GOD/SDRR/OS/LordJams Did they really think they had a chance?
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Post by MookieNJ on Jan 16, 2007 16:08:14 GMT -5
I guess I should weigh in again considering how much discussion my post has generated. No matter how upset I may get in a game, I'd never name names in a thread like this. EBD stood up to take the blame and I'd like to apologize to him for getting so pissed off during the game. It was a very frustrating way to lose a game, but it does not excuse me for blowing up at him. This brings to light a bigger situation overall -- team games in general. Why do some people play them? They seem to be mostly interested in doing their own thing. These people should be playing ctons. A teamer should be about coordination, strategy, and working together towards a common goal. The team needs to identify the situation and plan a strategy that works best depending on the land, resources, civs chosen, and the arrangement of the players on the map. Far too often players want to take matters into their own hands, be it stealing their teammates' lands, choosing a crazy civ in staging against the advice of their captain and teammates, or acting outside of the team plan. Again, I ask, what is the point of playing in a teamer if this is how you'd like to play? Go play a cton, where you can do whatever you like without having to worry about the input of others. I believe that we really need to play more clan matches. These games are where you can truly learn to play as a team and with enough hard work you can experience very rewarding teamwork. Also, the game in question was a Medieval Era Inland Sea 5v5 teamer. To me, this is one of the most boring game types around. It's a lot slower to build up than Renaissance and most players don't want to attack until well in to the Renaissance Era. Why not play Renaissance instead and cut out the first 2 boring hours of the game? Furthermore, even boring game types such as this are a lot more fun when played as clan matches because they rely on great teamwork to make them fun. If your whole team is working together to orchestrate an attack, you don't really need Knights or Cavs to kill someone. However, without the support of your team, it is really difficult for one front player to kill another. I also agree with Knupp that I strongly dislike the Classical Era games that I have played in. It's an enormous advantage to start with a Horse, or for Zulu to start with Copper. You can harass your opponents so much that even if you don't get a kill, you can expand to 2 or 3 cities while they are stuck with only 1. After that it's just a Catapult building contest. Maybe we need a better map than TBG or need to stick with Ancient or Medieval on these settings. Swe, I'm guessing the quote that got Knupp upset was this: I'm assuming it was a joke and was not offended. However, statements like this have been said so many times by so many different people that I can see how others might not be too happy with it. To paraphrase a famous quote, I think that Inland Sea is the worst map, except for all the others we've tried.
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Post by willburn on Jan 16, 2007 16:54:48 GMT -5
Slightly offtopic: NOooo swe dont quit civ4 I will miss you! (I think i read in this thread you where getting sick of civ4 and needed a break)
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