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Post by arthursrodrigues on Nov 11, 2006 15:02:46 GMT -5
Dear friends,
Being one from the small community of civ players from the third world, I´m really concerned about the unwritten vendetta against the ARG Brothers, based on two points: their lag and their supposed "hacking" activity. One friend said that one of them said that they used hack programs, and I think that it´s probably caused by the "argentinian mood" of lying just to show that they have the control of the situation.
The lag issue is a problem that affect all of us, even if we got broadband. Like France Telecom (lol) the quality of our connections are bad and they must go to United States before they join the net. For example, everybody here considers that I have a really good lag and mine for Europe is usually 300ms and to the US 160 ms. In Argentina is little worse, because their connection travel a longer distance before they enter in the net.
Concluding, I'm really interested in seeing that BAN being lift and a more comprehensive approach with our friends with bad broadband.
Yours faithfully,
Arthur Rodrigues.
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Post by deviousdevil on Nov 11, 2006 15:25:33 GMT -5
Dear friends, Being one from the small community of civ players from the third world, I´m really concerned about the unwritten vendetta against the ARG Brothers, based on two points: their lag and their supposed "hacking" activity. One friend said that one of them said that they used hack programs, and I think that it´s probably caused by the "argentinian mood" of lying just to show that they have the control of the situation. The lag issue is a problem that affect all of us, even if we got broadband. Like France Telecom (lol) the quality of our connections are bad and they must go to United States before they join the net. For example, everybody here considers that I have a really good lag and mine for Europe is usually 300ms and to the US 160 ms. In Argentina is little worse, because their connection travel a longer distance before they enter in the net. Concluding, I'm really interested in seeing that BAN being lift and a more comprehensive approach with our friends with bad broadband. Yours faithfully, Arthur Rodrigues. Lag truely is a bane of enjoyable gaming and there are people I'll avoid playing due to it. Some game formats are better than others. A poor connection can be okay for smaller games with 6-8 players on a small map in an early era. Yet once people with bad connections get into games on a standard map, 8-12 players and in a later era it is horrendous. I for one find it too detrimental to enjoyment of the game to have people who run pings of upwards of 400 and these people don't have a right to play with me, ruin my enjoyment of the game and drag it on for extra hours. This is not a vendetta against those from the Third World, but anyone who brings a god awful connection to a game and it has a significant detrimental effect be they European, American or Aussia.
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Post by notagoodname on Nov 11, 2006 18:06:40 GMT -5
I for one find it too detrimental to enjoyment of the game to have people who run pings of upwards of 400 and these people don't have a right to play with me, ruin my enjoyment of the game and drag it on for extra hours. This is not a vendetta against those from the Third World, but anyone who brings a god awful connection to a game and it has a significant detrimental effect be they European, American or Aussia. Lag of 400ms isn't too bad though, in fact most pings of below 500 are fine. /says an australian with 300ms base ping to europe and 200 to the us
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Post by Tony on Nov 11, 2006 18:20:32 GMT -5
i would go one step further and say those that play with sh1tty connections are selfish, they ruin the fun for everyone.
lets take a step back and think why we play CIV, for fun? to pass time? to relax? cr@p connections make none of the above possible, the games become slow but more importantly fustrating.
If my connection couldnt keep up with a game i for one would not "punish" others, i dont think very many hosts would let known laggers play.
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Post by arkan on Nov 11, 2006 18:22:14 GMT -5
These guys are cheaters, i think most of us agreed on KC forums about ARG dudes. Yes, cheater is a harsh word, but thats what they are. And just because their language may be a barrier to understand what is cheating and what is not, it doesn't make it right. We are not discriminating against people that are from different countries. And you know that their lag issues are not the only one why they should not be on ladder. For two of them, being in the CTON game together, means ARG brothers VS everyone else....its BS, and until they learn that. I say ban them from ladder.
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Post by [KC]Bopper on Nov 11, 2006 19:15:36 GMT -5
I have played with the 2 ARG players and read all of the posts regarding other players' experiences with them. I did not interpret that lag was the issue. The issue was unethical game play. I have personally experienced several CTON games with this player(s) where it appeared that they were communicating with each other (himself) during the game and coordinating activities of 2 civs. There is also speculation that they are actually 1 single player running 2 accounts using 2 pc's. Because of the doubts that this kind of activity raises, many people are choosing not to play with him/them.
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Post by alice on Nov 11, 2006 20:08:39 GMT -5
lol a guy who told me that he used civ3 trainers now complains that others are cheaters, ironic huh
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Post by arkan on Nov 11, 2006 20:51:25 GMT -5
lol a guy who told me that he used civ3 trainers now complains that others are cheaters, ironic huh U still owe me a report from 3 days ago. There is no irony that you can't stand the fact that I haven't repor to you yet in civ4 and u did to me couple of times, ....although I had to file all non reports on those since you never report on time... and there is also no irony in that you have no sence of humor and that when first civ4 came out, me and smuckey were pranking "old" people around.... but thats your problem MEZI. now...www.myleague.com/civ4players...and u go click report loss....enter my name.... ;D easy monkey can do it.
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 11, 2006 22:47:58 GMT -5
I'd appreciate a pm about who ever this may be using a civ3 trainor. Thanks
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Post by 32leanarg on Nov 11, 2006 22:56:40 GMT -5
well. i talk the situacion with arthur and he do this post. Im [ARG]32Lean... i have a friend (some people tell hem my brother becouse we always play in the same games) [ARG]16Abadia..
1rst point.. we are not the same person...its too stupid think that... how a man will waste his time doing that.. play with 2 pcs.. TOO IDIOT ... i cant understand that acussed. THATS TOTALLY WRONG.
2nd. In CTON Games, we never complain against one player.. only and thats is correct we dont atack each - other.. and if that is a fault i say sorry to all comunity and we never play a cton together again (cton only will be played with 1 of us.. me or hem). I understand the cton rule say u cant complain against one.. may be thats my error ( im sure too many people do peacefull pacts.. bat how u can prove that?? its imposible.. bat we play with (ARG) tags and its obviusly... think that.. if i want to take advantage of a cton and up in the ranking we dont use same nicks and u never entered that..
in conclusion i only want you stop accousing of cheat.. we only are 2 args guys playing civilization 4.. and with a very bad english jeje
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Post by Canucksoldier on Nov 12, 2006 0:05:23 GMT -5
Well there is a couple issues here at the very least lean:
1. If you and your friend have the same IP or live in the same household it is illegal for you to report games to each other, so you should never have been playing in cton/ffa's to start with. Teamers are fine, as long as you are on the same team.
2. Not attacking a specfic player in a cton for no good reason other than that you are real life friends is illegal, that is the same as the idea of a co-operative attack since you don't have to worry about one of your borders.
So if you could adhere to the rules I'm sure everyone would like you to much more.
CS
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Post by Necrominousss on Nov 12, 2006 2:46:42 GMT -5
States he doesn't appreciate being called a cheater in the same post he admits to cheating.
Do you not understand how big of an advantage two players have in a cton knowing they don't have to worry about being attack by another player? Cton = always war with everyone (everyone) and no trading information.
Sorry to tell you this agian, but you are cheating.
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Post by MookieNJ on Nov 12, 2006 3:32:11 GMT -5
Once again, isn't this an issue that should be brought directly to the attention of the Admins of the league rather than using a public forum to indict other members of the ladder? The continued public abuse of fellow ladder members, whether justified or not, is completely pathetic and really needs to stop.
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Post by Bantams on Nov 12, 2006 4:06:25 GMT -5
Once again, isn't this an issue that should be brought directly to the attention of the Admins of the league rather than using a public forum to indict other members of the ladder? The continued public abuse of fellow ladder members, whether justified or not, is completely pathetic and really needs to stop. On this occassion I agree shouldnt have been brought up here besides ive played 32lean a few times and dont have anything bad to say He DEFINATELY wasnt cheating if he was hes pretty bad at doing it
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Post by Bantams on Nov 12, 2006 4:08:28 GMT -5
I'd appreciate a pm about who ever this may be using a civ3 trainor. Thanks Go back to CIV3 pass my regards to Heroray tell him we dont give a chit about CIV3
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Post by 32leanarg on Nov 12, 2006 4:21:32 GMT -5
thanks CS...
onli one more thing.. we dont play in the same house.. or on lan.. we have differents pcs. differents ips..
And i dont need hem to win a cton... is true that i have a "secure" border if he is near me, for that i say sorry and i never will play cton with hem again! GL HF ALL and sorry again for the confusion.
And plz dont call me cheater again.. i never cheat
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Post by arkan on Nov 12, 2006 5:11:19 GMT -5
I'd appreciate a pm about who ever this may be using a civ3 trainor. Thanks No need for PM, and no one was uzing trainers....Mezi had his panties in the bunch. When civ4 first came out, don't even know how the whole thing started , but I sad to mezi something like "civ4 sucks, i won't be able to use trainer, now I will have to kill you with some effort". Well, him being wierd as he is, he got all worked up, stared asking admin to track my civ3 email to my civ4 email and so on ;D, to me just became all more humorus and I started to put more fuel on fire, it was just to sweeeet to see him suffer (since I had my nick changed and he didn't know who was I) (i was hawk in civ3, which i told him later, and me and smuckey were just pulling a prank on him).....to make a long story short.... there's no story.....
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Post by MMV on Nov 12, 2006 8:36:27 GMT -5
in games, one of the ARGS says they play from the same house, but in different rooms (on a home lan/network)
one of the ARGS say their issue is a language issue (saying that this is why one player will chat in a game, but the other says nothing the whole game)
one of the ARGS say that both ARGs are the same player playing the same game - but two different civs - on two different computers sitting next to each other.
Whatever the problem is between them and other ladder players, the ARG's have earned it - sorry
puedo hablar, comprender, ye entender espanol - cuando puedo hablar o chiachiar con los dos antes de juegar, voy a creerlos.
and yes, the ARG's played a cton yesterday (so in fact, contrary to what one posted here, they DO play ctons against each other. (see daily results for saturday)
One interesting way to disprove these "thoughts" by others?
Have the other ARG (not 32leanarg) post here in THIS forum so the admins can simply SEE AND COMPARE their ip's directly from their forum posts.
(indeed, there should be no "lag" issue here caused by "3rd world country/distance" and language certainly wouldn't be an issue.
Thanks in advance!
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Post by Avogadro on Nov 12, 2006 10:19:24 GMT -5
32leanarg and Arthuro have different ip's here in the forum. As to ladder, any admin can go to "edit user" and find out.
PS-If a nooby were to show up, some of you have time to educate him in the ways of civ4? I imagine this game has changed very much since it's first CCC.
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Post by 32leanarg on Nov 12, 2006 10:51:53 GMT -5
MMV: - we never tell as we play from same house.. thats lie.. u lie. - Yes my friend Abadia dont know english.. bat if u want u can chat with hem in spanish, thats a good idea - when u say "one of the args say".. thats TOTALLY FALSE bah.. u are arg too?? becouse the only guy saying that is u.. only u can think that - own problem with other ladder player is becouse people like u talk "like supermarket old womans" bulshets of us.. and i tired of that.. i express here my error and i never do it again. - AND NOW HERE IS THE PROVE U ARE A TOTALLY LIER. SATURDAY.. WE PLAY 2 VS 2 AGAINS CIBELES AND ROBIN OF LOXLEY.. AND THEN A 3 VS 3 WITH ARTHUR VS SAME 2 GUYS AND OTHER GUY MORE... WE NOT PLAY MORE CTON TOGETHER.. - Agree with that.. he will post here, bat in spanish languaje..
i only want be ok with all people of the civ4 ladder.. nothing more
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